TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Mustafa27]

Does anyone remember his recent posts, did he post anything special?

 

[Radonsider]

Any idea about what happened to İbrahim Sünnetçi's twitter account ?

Maybe got closed because he said Tayfun is an AShBM?

 

[OPTIMUS]

2. Tranche 1 EF coming with full access to source codes will mean we will be able to turn them in to very capable 4++ generation fighters. You can’t even compare F16s against these twin engined monsters, never mind our small Hurjets. When coupled with most modern avionics and an Aesa radar, it will become an unbeatable fighting machine. The nose of the Typhoon is so big that it can accommodate one of the largest Aesa radars. Bigger Nose means bigger Aesa radar and that means more T/R modules and that means more powerful and longer range Aesa radar. A Typhoon can carry 14 Meteor missiles in beast mode. It can carry more than 9 tons of weapons.

At EF2000 TR1 you can't change anything, even if you have source codes.

 

[Yasar_TR]

@Yasar from Wikipedia it seems that, even without any external fuel tank the maximum weapon load of EFT is 7.5 tons.

I am not sure how more than 9 ton ammunition load can be possible! By reducing internal fuel ?

Which Wikipedia you looked at but the one I have just looked says:

quote:
Hardpoints: Total of 13: 8 × under-wing; and 5 × under-fuselage pylon stations; holding in excess of 9,000 kg (19,800 lb) of payload
Unquote.

 

[Yasar_TR]

At EF2000 TR1 you can't change anything, even if you have source codes.

Spain recently had their TR1 updated to TR2+ level with a lot of Tranche 3 electronics fitted in, at the Spanish Airbus factories.
If you check UK sites in detail , especially UK MOD sites, there are reports that TR1 FGR4 planes can be updated to Tranche 3 - 4 level. But the cost is “prohibitively expensive due to budgetary constraints” as they put it. So they chose to retire their TR1.
So if you are prepared to spend the money it can be done. But it needs major work.

 

[Baris]

I hope Tusas shows something for tomorrow

 

[MADDOG]

I hope Tusas shows something for tomorrow

I doubt it. I've lost my trust on TAI... well considering their exceptionally exceptional PR work of course.

 

[Osman]

As far as I remember this is not his first ban (İbrahim Sünnetçi)

 

[Radonsider]

As far as I remember this is not his first ban (İbrahim Sünnetçi)

Yes, you are right

 

[Afif]

Du hast es nicht verstanden.

Um TR1 auf TR2 oder TR3 zu erhöhen, muss man alles erweitern (wirklich alle 40 Missionsrechner) und neue Missionsrechner installieren, dies muss aber alle 40 aufgerüsteten Missionscomputer als App beinhalten, damit DASS auch seinen Aufgaben nachgeht. Und das ist extrem teuer.

Schuld ist es, MOTOROLA 68020 Prozessoren. Bekannte Computersysteme, in denen Motorola 68020 Prozessoren zum Einsatz kamen, sind der Apple Macintosh II, die Sun-Workstations der 3er-Serie, der Amiga 1200 und der Amiga CD³² sowie die Steuerkompensationsrechner des EF2000 Eurofighter, ohne die er nicht stabil in der Luft gehalten werden könnte.

Why are you writing in turkish ? Unfortunately then, we ( international mambers ) wouldn't be able to understand.

 

[Afif]

Yes, you are right

Why did they banned him?

 

[Radonsider]

Why did they banned him?

I think it was some undisclosed info thingy

 

[dBSPL]

Why are you writing in turkish ? Unfortunately then, we ( international mambers ) wouldn't be able to understand.

Unfortunately, we don't understand either. They write in German.

 

[Radonsider]

Unfortunately, we don't understand either. They write in German.

I didn't notice until someone said it was not English.

Wow I didn't know I can understand this much (mt brain automatically translated it into English lol brain fart moment)

 

[Kedikesenfare]

Unfortunately, we don't understand either. They write in German.

So, Yaşar even speaks German? There should be a limit to how intelligent a person can be.

 

[OPTIMUS]

You didn't get it.

To increase TR1 to TR2 or TR3, you have to expand everything (really all 40 mission computers) and install new mission computers, but this must include all 40 upgraded mission computers as an app so that DASS also does its job. And that's extremely expensive.

Blame it, MOTOROLA 68020 processors. Well-known computer systems in which Motorola 68020 processors were used are the Apple Macintosh II, the Sun workstations of the 3 series, the Amiga 1200 and the Amiga CD³² as well as the control compensation computers of the EF2000 Eurofighter, without which it could not be kept stable in the air.

 

[Yasar_TR]

You didn't get it.

To increase TR1 to TR2 or TR3, you have to expand everything (really all 40 mission computers) and install new mission computers, but this must include all 40 upgraded mission computers as an app so that DASS also does its job. And that's extremely expensive.

Blame it, MOTOROLA 68020 processors. Well-known computer systems in which Motorola 68020 processors were used are the Apple Macintosh II, the Sun workstations of the 3 series, the Amiga 1200 and the Amiga CD³² as well as the control compensation computers of the EF2000 Eurofighter, without which it could not be kept stable in the air.

First of all you said :
“you can't change anything, even if you have source codes”
So I said it is possible since Spain has done it, albeit up to a point.
Now you are saying it is very expensive to do it.
I had said that the UK had found it prohibitively expensive for budgetary constraints.
So now we are talking about the same thing.

How do you think we are doing “Ozgur” modernisation on F16s? We are rewriting the flight control computer program and changing all avionics and electronics on the plane. Do you think that is cheap in terms of US cost base? We can do it because :
1. We have to to ”liberate” the planes
2. It is comparatively much more economical to do it in Turkey than in US.
As they say in English ; If there is a will there is a way..

 

[Baryshx]

First of all you said :
“you can't change anything, even if you have source codes”
So I said it is possible since Spain has done it, albeit up to a point.
Now you are saying it is very expensive to do it.
I had said that the UK had found it prohibitively expensive for budgetary constraints.
So now we are talking about the same thing.

How do you think we are doing “Ozgur” modernisation on F16s? We are rewriting the flight control computer program and changing all avionics and electronics on the plane. Do you think that is cheap in terms of US cost base? We can do it because :
1. We have to to ”liberate” the planes
2. It is comparatively much more economical to do it in Turkey than in US.
As they say in English ; If there is a will there is a way..

Is there any country that upgrades T1 and T2s? There seems to be none, so can we call the T1s and T2s bad planes?

Or not worth the hassle. Is it just the cost, then why are these countries buying new planes?

 

[Combat-Master]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1586263617468784640

 

[dBSPL]

It may also be possible to transfer 1 squadron of EF-T1s for a symbolic amount in exchange for joint and comprehensive modernization of these jets.

Because:

• UK MoD has a number of other projects for which it is considering provide a partnership. A strategic rapprochement between the two countries is possible.
• The UK MoD failed to sell these aircrafts. On the other hand, although the airframe life of these aircraft is relatively good, they are in need of serious (costly) modernization. The presence of UK companies in this modernization plan and the profit from the logistics of the aircraft that will remain active for another 20 years will reach the initial acquisition cost of the aircraft.
• The Turkish side, which is working on numerous aviation projects and high-speed naval platforms(derivative engines), could possibly become the largest market for the UK aviation engine industry after the US; If the UK engine/aerospace industry can enter this market strongly.
• In any case, there is significant cooperation in the MMU program and it is expected to last for decades. On the other hand, Turkish industrial participation is an attractive option to maximize the competitiveness of the Team Tempest project in world markets.
• The EF T1 acquisition will inevitably pave the way for a very large T4 order. The Turkish air force is one of the most advanced in the region, and even the minimum purchase of fighter jets could easily exceeds the total inventory of many air forces.
• For political reasons, the very large role of the US aerospace industry in the Turkish air force is becoming a big question mark. If the US starts to lose this huge market, there is a potential of tens of billions of dollars for other aerospace countries.

TL;DR: you must lose a fly to catch a trout.