Bangladesh News Roketsan from Turkey has exported TRG-230 surface-to-surface missile to Bangladesh

[Afif]

But Air forces have more batteries than army AFAIK.

Nope, one bettery or one regiment (not clear) entered air force inventory in 2011 and since than there has been no new commissioning in air force inventory.
On the other hand, amry raised 43th air defence regiment and 6th independent air defence brigade in 2018
And now it just commissioned 44th air defence regiment.

 

[PutinBro]

Nope, one bettery or one regiment (not clear) entered air force inventory in 2011 and since than there has been no new commissioning in air force inventory.
On the other hand, amry raised 43th air defence regiment and 6th independent air defence brigade in 2018
And now it just commissioned 44th air defence regiment.

BAF most certainly has more than one batteries.In 2011 they commissioned FM-90B but here in this pic you can clearly see FM-90C in test which were delivered after 2011.

 

[Flextape]

No, actually there is now 2 regiment and 1 independent air defence brigade for army.

and one bettery for air force or maybe one complete regiment ( not sure ) for air force.

AD Structure of Bangladesh

Army:
6th Indp ADA Bde
7th Indp ADA Bde
under which lies,

Air Defence Artillery
5th Air Defence Regiment Artillery (Mirpur cantt)
21st Air Defence Regiment Artillery (HQ mirpur cantt but scattered)
25th Air Defence Regiment Artillery - Spirited Twenty-Five (Mirpur Cantt)
28th Air Defence Regiment Artillery (Maybe jamuna but not sure)
(Temp under 99th Comp) 36th Air Defence Regiment Artillery (Padma)
37th Air Defence Regiment Artillery
38th Air Defence Regiment Artillery - The Pioneer Defenders (Rjp Cantt rear CAD)
48th Air Defence Regiment Artillery - VSHORAD and MANPADS xD

Medium Air Defence Artillery
56th Independent Medium AD Battery Artillery
57th Independent Medium AD Regiment Artillery (ADHOCed to Rjp)
58th Independent Medium AD Regiment Artillery (was ADHOCed to Ramu before 44th shorad moved in )

Surface to Air Missile Artillery
60th SAM Indp Battery Artillery (10 Div, Ramu Cantt) Probably will be disbanded

SHORAD Artillery
43rd SHORAD Missile Regiment Artillery (7 AD)
44th SHORAD Missile Regiment Artillery (7 AD)


Airforce:

301th SAM Unit ( HQ Dhaka)
305th SAM Unit ( HQ Probably CTG)


Navy:

No designated units but some Naval bases control some static coastline AD guns and do have some planted on their ships

SHORAD Units have 4 btys (1 hq bty) with 6 guns each making 18 guns for one regt

*I didnt have the time to confirm BAFs claims, so take it with a grain of salt*

As for BAF SAM units, they have 4 Btys (No hq bty/only regt hq) wirh 1 bty having 3 guns and 1 radar totalling 24 for each Unit.

I dont think i have missed anything but feel free to correct me and my father is Field Gunner Officer so I know my stuff.



Bonus: BOF will soon acquire land to produce Home Made field and AD artillery shells somewhere very close to halishar Cantt [Lets keep this to ourselves eh? ]

 

[Flextape]

BAF most certainly has more than one batteries.In 2011 they commissioned FM-90B but here in this pic you can clearly see FM-90C in test which were delivered after 2011.

View attachment 50682

yep these beauties are used by 305th

 

[Flextape]

So that means 7 batteries total I guess.Do they plan to buy more?I think we seriously need sam systems with better range.

Pretty much yes, As far as i know gs branch is now more focused towards new weaponry for the regular inf. Finally the bd-08s will be phased out XD, but not so soon as many soldiers and officers are still compassionate about the firearm, anyways in terms of AD im not really that sure but there are talks in AD dte in AHQ that MRSAM are now to be considered. but that will come late as we still need to procure VT-5s for 26 Horse xD. The units is a mess as it is lending mostly durjoys from different units xD

 

[Afif]

AD Structure of Bangladesh

Army:
6th Indp ADA Bde
7th Indp ADA Bde
under which lies,

Air Defence Artillery
5th Air Defence Regiment Artillery (Mirpur cantt)
21st Air Defence Regiment Artillery (HQ mirpur cantt but scattered)
25th Air Defence Regiment Artillery - Spirited Twenty-Five (Mirpur Cantt)
28th Air Defence Regiment Artillery (Maybe jamuna but not sure)
(Temp under 99th Comp) 36th Air Defence Regiment Artillery (Padma)
37th Air Defence Regiment Artillery
38th Air Defence Regiment Artillery - The Pioneer Defenders (Rjp Cantt rear CAD)
48th Air Defence Regiment Artillery - VSHORAD and MANPADS xD

Medium Air Defence Artillery
56th Independent Medium AD Battery Artillery
57th Independent Medium AD Regiment Artillery (ADHOCed to Rjp)
58th Independent Medium AD Regiment Artillery (was ADHOCed to Ramu before 44th shorad moved in )

Surface to Air Missile Artillery
60th SAM Indp Battery Artillery (10 Div, Ramu Cantt) Probably will be disbanded

SHORAD Artillery
43rd SHORAD Missile Regiment Artillery (7 AD)
44th SHORAD Missile Regiment Artillery (7 AD)


Airforce:

301th SAM Unit ( HQ Dhaka)
305th SAM Unit ( HQ Probably CTG)


Navy:

No designated units but some Naval bases control some static coastline AD guns and do have some planted on their ships

SHORAD Units have 4 btys (1 hq bty) with 6 guns each making 18 guns for one regt

*I didnt have the time to confirm BAFs claims, so take it with a grain of salt*

As for BAF SAM units, they have 4 Btys (No hq bty/only regt hq) wirh 1 bty having 3 guns and 1 radar totalling 24 for each Unit.

I dont think i have missed anything but feel free to correct me and my father is Field Gunner Officer so I know my stuff.



Bonus: BOF will soon acquire land to produce Home Made field and AD artillery shells somewhere very close to halishar Cantt [Lets keep this to ourselves eh? ]

Thank you very much!
I was looking for a list like that. can you give any link ?

And do any list for tank regiments and armor brigades ? unfortunately i coudnt find any.

 

[Flextape]

Thank you very much!
I was looking for a list like that. can you give any link ?

And do any list for tank regiments and armor brigades ? unfortunately i coudnt find any.

My pleasure. I can share you the whole list. do you have mail/instagram?

 

[Afif]

My pleasure. I can share you the whole list. do you have mail/instagram?

thanks! here you are.

[email protected]

 

[PutinBro]

Pretty much yes, As far as i know gs branch is now more focused towards new weaponry for the regular inf. Finally the bd-08s will be phased out XD, but not so soon as many soldiers and officers are still compassionate about the firearm, anyways in terms of AD im not really that sure but there are talks in AD dte in AHQ that MRSAM are now to be considered. but that will come late as we still need to procure VT-5s for 26 Horse xD. The units is a mess as it is lending mostly durjoys from different units xD

Thanks for the valuable info.

 

[Flextape]

Thanks for the valuable info.

No worries!

 

[PutinBro]

My pleasure. I can share you the whole list. do you have mail/instagram?

Please share it with me too.Here's account


[email protected]

 

[bisbis]

We would like to see tfx/ Mmu in our brother country bangladesh, whose production line works have started today.

 

[Afif]

\

Pretty much yes, As far as i know gs branch is now more focused towards new weaponry for the regular inf. Finally the bd-08s will be phased out XD, but not so soon as many soldiers and officers are still compassionate about the firearm, anyways in terms of AD im not really that sure but there are talks in AD dte in AHQ that MRSAM are now to be considered. but that will come late as we still need to procure VT-5s for 26 Horse xD. The units is a mess as it is lending mostly durjoys from different units xD

yeah, well, i think 44 VT 5 is enough for our eastern border.

now we should looking for VT 4 A1 to replace all type59s and type69s.

i mean, we cant just keep buying only light tanks right ? against heavy armor like T90M VT 5 is not going to do very well with its 105mm rifled gun.

and about MRSAM we thought it was already confirmed!

$1 Billion Arms Deal Between Bangladesh-Turkey

According to a news report published on December 9, 2021, When the MoU was signed, Bangladesh also sealed a $1 billion arms deal with Turkey. Previously Bangladesh signed a similar contract with Russia in 2013. couldn't find the ''local newspaper'' (its not concrete) Is it concrete now...

defencehub.live

So, i am guessing we are buying at least 3 batteries in one regiment, or hopefully 6 in 2 regiment from turkey. ( every HISAR O regiment include 3 batteries. )

 

[Flextape]

\

yeah, well, i think 44 VT 5 is enough for our eastern border.

now we should looking for VT 4 A1 to replace all type59s and type69s.

i mean, we cant just keep buying only light tanks right ? against heavy armor like T90M VT 5 is not going to do very well with its 105mm rifled gun.

and about MRSAM we thought it was already confirmed!

$1 Billion Arms Deal Between Bangladesh-Turkey

According to a news report published on December 9, 2021, When the MoU was signed, Bangladesh also sealed a $1 billion arms deal with Turkey. Previously Bangladesh signed a similar contract with Russia in 2013. couldn't find the ''local newspaper'' (its not concrete) Is it concrete now...

defencehub.live

So, i am guessing we are buying at least 3 batteries in one regiment, or hopefully 6 in 2 regiment from turkey. ( every HISAR O regiment include 3 batteries. )

1. Well the thing is according to the current agenda BA is trying to fill 3 regts with vt-5, 7,10 and 24 div. and currently we have around 50 vt-5 in our soil. 5-10 went to ARTDOC (15 armd sqn) and is currently in artillery center & school, halishahar undergoing final testing. and as far as I know the rest is divided between 24 div(1 cav) and 10 div(16 cav). and to fill 3 regts we will need around 132 vt-5 tanks. and armd dte is constantly pushing bgt dte for these procurements

2. Soon brother. after the light tanks are done, Army will form a 903rd cntl wksp which will specialize on making medium tanks in our own soil. this is pretty much confirmed as I personally heard it from the commandant of 902 cntl wksp, BG Anis. 903 will most likely be right beside 902 in rjp which will then shift its focus to APCs and other light armored vehicles

3. Well yes, and we were supposed to receive our MRSAMs by now too along with the SHORADS. but it was delayed by our new chief. he wanted to focus on all aspects rather than only AD artillery (Our previous chief was from AD Arty so he had a bias). anyways, I had a chat with the then 2ic 38th AD Maj Mansoor (he's Lt Col now), and he said the army had 2 options, to go for MRSAMs or SHORADS,UAVS,MANPADS and others we see now, an our previous chief opted for SHORADS. his reason was to replace the old autocannons with fn90s, in Mirpur cantt and rjp cantt. that's why already the 57th medium ada regt has already been posted to else where and the latest SHORADS will be shifted to rjp cantt, the ones we had previously will remain at Padma and jamuna with the comp brigades.

4. Coming to HISAR, we all know its gonna be the one, simply put it there's just no competition for it, and what u have said is very likely, although gradually. It is very likely that they will bring 1 bty at a time and station them in 9,10 and 24 div just like they did on 7 div (52 indp mlrs bty arty). but it is very unlikely that we will have 2 regts, as the current doctrine allows to have 3 fd arty regts, 1 med arty regt (if available) 1 AD bty (again if available), 1 mtr Regt (not really used anymore), 1 Mlrs bty (just like 7 divs mlrs bty) and 1 div loc bty. so at the end of the day it is very unlikely that we will need 6 MRSAM btys, I personally think if we get 3 btys, they will be indp btys and directly report to the div hq rather than the arty bde.


and if you didn't already figure this out xD, I lived in rjp cantt from 2019-2021 and currently residing beside Mirpur cantt

 

[Afif]

1. Well the thing is according to the current agenda BA is trying to fill 3 regts with vt-5, 7,10 and 24 div. and currently we have around 50 vt-5 in our soil. 5-10 went to ARTDOC (15 armd sqn) and is currently in artillery center & school, halishahar undergoing final testing. and as far as I know the rest is divided between 24 div(1 cav) and 10 div(16 cav). and to fill 3 regts we will need around 132 vt-5 tanks. and armd dte is constantly pushing bgt dte for these procurements

Thank you for excellent and detailed post.

It is good to have you on this forum.
unlike air force and navy there is not so much online info available on army's structural organization. ( at least I couldn't find it )

Okay, so it seems Army want to equip south eastern region with VT 5.

I am guessing with these new VT 5 we are retiring some type59s!

But does it mean than 7th, 10th and 24th divs won't have any 120mm heavies? Only VT-5.

Also I am curious, what kind of armor package we are getting with VT-5 ?
Will we get any APS for it ?

2. Soon brother. after the light tanks are done, Army will form a 903rd cntl wksp which will specialize on making medium tanks in our own soil. this is pretty much confirmed as I personally heard it from the commandant of 902 cntl wksp, BG Anis. 903 will most likely be right beside 902 in rjp which will then shift its focus to APCs and other light armored vehicles

Please, tell me you are not kidding!

Army will establish a new central workshop and assemble tanks locally ?
whom are we getting the tech from?

4. Coming to HISAR, we all know its gonna be the one, simply put it there's just no competition for it, and what u have said is very likely, although gradually. It is very likely that they will bring 1 bty at a time and station them in 9,10 and 24 div just like they did on 7 div (52 indp mlrs bty arty). but it is very unlikely that we will have 2 regts, as the current doctrine allows to have 3 fd arty regts, 1 med arty regt (if available) 1 AD bty (again if available), 1 mtr Regt (not really used anymore), 1 Mlrs bty (just like 7 divs mlrs bty) and 1 div loc bty. so at the end of the day it is very unlikely that we will need 6 MRSAM btys, I personally think if we get 3 btys, they will be indp btys and directly report to the div hq rather than the arty bde.

Actually, I think all of our regional commands should have its own battery of MRSAM.
Do you think, it is possible to happen in long term future with a new doctrine ?

Note, I know that's lot to answer in one post, but I never had the chance to ask these important questions to feel my knowledge gaps.

 

[Afif]

@Isa Khan I think, this is a valuable discussion.
But as it is off topics,
Would you please move it to a suitable thread ?

or can it just remain here?

 

[Flextape]

No, THANK YOU for making a great forum where I can share my opinions and stuff, cus most of my friends don't seem to have even a drop of enthusiasm for our defence.


1.a. Yes, as there is no use for heavy machinery in hilly and swampy regions

1.b. Well not really, we are still short on tanks, and our 93rd armd bde only has 1 armd regt and 2 mech inf regts, so more units need to formed. Also, we are severely short on budget so its unlike they will be retired, maybe they will serve as reserve

1.c. As mentioned before, medium tanks don't perform at their peak in hilly or swampy lands, so they are already being shifted to other places(for now many are used as subs for vt-5s in 26 horse,7 div)

1.d. Truth be told, I know more about the logistics, structure, chain of command of a unit. So I suppose I'm not the best person to ask these types of question. And by APS if you mean Armor Piercing Shells then, maybe in the future, as along with the artillery shell production line, BOF is also hunting for land to make another production line for HMG bullets, GPMG bullets, Tank Shells and other heavy Bullets. But for now if APS shell are seen in the armory then its most probably imported.


2.a. If I'm not being lied to then yes I'm not kidding, 903 will start a assembly and maintenance coy just for Medium tanks once its finalized by MOD

2.b. Most likely from Indonesia (not final) but we have contenders from China and Turkey (specially the Chinese amphibious one)

3. I disagree, if u pay close attention to our ad structure, we don't even have a single AD gun in 55 or 17 div. Because they don't have any important structure to protect in those areas (Don't worry the div sp bn has got a manpad coy to protect the cantt) As a result putting MRSAMs there is just a waste of money, rather they can put static AA guns or a bty of fn90



Don't worry, I too didn't have someone to share my ideas and knowledge all this time too xD. its my pleasure to make you all aware of the current status in BA.

 

[Afif]

No, THANK YOU for making a great forum where I can share my opinions and stuff, cus most of my friends don't seem to have even a drop of enthusiasm for our defence.


1.a. Yes, as there is no use for heavy machinery in hilly and swampy regions

1.b. Well not really, we are still short on tanks, and our 93rd armd bde only has 1 armd regt and 2 mech inf regts, so more units need to formed. Also, we are severely short on budget so its unlike they will be retired, maybe they will serve as reserve

1.c. As mentioned before, medium tanks don't perform at their peak in hilly or swampy lands, so they are already being shifted to other places(for now many are used as subs for vt-5s in 26 horse,7 div)

1.d. Truth be told, I know more about the logistics, structure, chain of command of a unit. So I suppose I'm not the best person to ask these types of question. And by APS if you mean Armor Piercing Shells then, maybe in the future, as along with the artillery shell production line, BOF is also hunting for land to make another production line for HMG bullets, GPMG bullets, Tank Shells and other heavy Bullets. But for now if APS shell are seen in the armory then its most probably imported.


2.a. If I'm not being lied to then yes I'm not kidding, 903 will start a assembly and maintenance coy just for Medium tanks once its finalized by MOD

2.b. Most likely from Indonesia (not final) but we have contenders from China and Turkey (specially the Chinese amphibious one)

3. I disagree, if u pay close attention to our ad structure, we don't even have a single AD gun in 55 or 17 div. Because they don't have any important structure to protect in those areas (Don't worry the div sp bn has got a manpad coy to protect the cantt) As a result putting MRSAMs there is just a waste of money, rather they can put static AA guns or a bty of fn90



Don't worry, I too didn't have someone to share my ideas and knowledge all this time too xD. its my pleasure to make you all aware of the current status in BA.

wow! really ?

i though 55th div is one of our most strategic ones given it is only 110km away from Indian eastern command's headquarter in kolkata!
my initial thinking was along with the 9th, 10th and 24th, mirpur, 7th and 11th also critically needs MRSAM protection, given good amount of army's vital assets like tanks, mechanized infantries and heavy artileries are based in two cantts. ( and Mirpur, of course everyone's headquarter )
that is why i was little surprise when you said our doctrine only allows three batteries only ?

So, now I am wondering why 7th and 11th won't have MRSAM when good amount tanks and mech infantries is based in there ?
Could you explain it little more ?

anyway, do you know where these medium tanks will be based on ?
and what about 120mm heavy tanks? is there any future plan for them ?

and here is the most important question,
why dont we have tracked infantry fighting vehicles in our mech infantries ? like this one

why we only have wheeled armored personal carriers like BTR80s ?

do you know if army will induct tracked IVFs sometime in the future ?

 

[Flextape]

Well to be honest our doctrine need the most work done at the moment xD. Its a complete mess. And about the 3 btys, I actually didn't understand your question.

Well cost cutting seems to the only reason and MRSAM is also kind of an overkill for HQ 7 and HQ 11 div

the medium tanks will replace the current durjoys and type 69s.(Very Slowly)

The likelihood of us getting tracked IFV are very slim to none as the btr80s aren't going anywhere soon. and to be honest they are the best APCs for this type of land (amphibious, decently fast, easily made parts, low maintenance costs and more ppl can fit in). The other APCs are bought with the intentions of sending them to UNPKO

 

[Afif]

thanks.

about three batteries, i understood from your previous post, that our current doctrine only allow for 1 regiment of MRSAM.

and also, medium tanks from Turkey, Indo, and China are all has 105mm cannon!
so does it mean we dont have 120mm heavy tanks?