Gilgit Baltistan Election 2020: News, Result and Aftermath

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Gilgit Baltistan Election 2020: My election has been stolen, says Bilawal Bhutto

PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Monday announced that he will be joining a protest against Sunday's Gilgit Baltistan polls.

"My election has been stolen," he wrote on Twitter. "I will be joining the people of Gilgit Baltistan in their protest shortly."



Imran Khan-led PTI is emerging as the single largest party in the hotly contested polls in Gilgit Baltistan. According to unofficial and unconfirmed results, the ruling party grabbed nine seats while Bilawal Bhutto Zardari-led PPP came second with three victories. Meanwhile, PML-N, JUI-F, and MWM have won one each while Independent candidates secured six.

As many as 330 candidates, including four women, were vying for 23 general seats in the third legislative assembly of the northern region.

Citizens, wearing facemasks and observing social distancing, lined up outside polling stations in bitter cold across the region, many voters braving heavy snowfalls.

More than 15,000 security personnel from GB, Punjab, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh, and Balochistan were deployed at polling stations.

Read more: PTI victory sign of people’s trust in PM Imran Khan, says Shibli Faraz

Controversies​

Both PML-N and PPP made rigging allegations ahead of the poll. On Sunday, PPP senator Sherry Rehman said some election observers were not being allowed to monitor GB elections.

“There were more than 600 members of the Free and Fair Election Network (Fafen) monitoring the elections, but some have been removed from the polling stations,” she said.

Gilgit Baltistan Election 2020: My election has been stolen, says Bilawal Bhutto

PPP chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Monday joined a protest against projected results of Sunday's Gilgit Baltistan polls.My election has been stolen, he wrote on Twitter. I will be joining the people of Gilgit...

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Yes Yes everything is stolen. Nobody loses fairly in Pakistan.

For once if two rival parties have common purpose they should be part of constructive cooperation.

Acting like a silly kid is not going to help. Support and join the process, negotiate and criticize. Transparency and accountability!

That’s what ppl want to see

 

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Dunya News) - Unofficial results of GBA-3 constituency shows that Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) candidate Syed Sohail Abbas has won with 6873 votes while independent candidate Dr Iqbal remained at second position.

Elections in Gilgit-Baltistan Constituency GBA-3 were postponed due to the death of a PTI candidate. A total of 73 polling stations were set up for polling today. The total number of candidates contested in the constituency was 21 while 41,360 voters were registered.

Masks were also provided to all polling staff, security personnel and voters in view of the Coronavirus situation. According to the orders of the Election Commission, carrying a mobile phone inside the polling station was completely banned.

Gilgit-Baltistan election: PTI candidate wins from GBA-3

Gilgit-Baltistan election: PTI candidate wins from GBA-3

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Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has emerged as the majority winner in the 2020 elections for the Gilgit-Baltistan Legislative Assembly.

The Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly consists of 33 seats — 24 of which are contested through direct elections. The remaining nine are reserved seats — six for women and three for technocrats and professionals.

After the remaining official results were announced on Tuesday, the party now has 22 out of 33 seats.

According to a notification by Chief Election Commissioner Gilgit-Baltistan Raja Shahbaz Khan, PTI was declared successful in 10 seats, independent candidates won seven seats, PPP obtained three, PML-N won two, whereas JUI and MWM won one seat each.

PTI also acquired the support of six independents, according to The News.

With 10 wins in general seats, support from six independents, two victories from seats reserved for technocrats and four from those reserved for women, the party has secured 22 seats of 33 in the GB Assembly.

Reserved seats​

Technocrats

Results for reserved seats were also announced today. A notification was issued for the total three reserved seats for technocrats and six reserved seats for women.

Of the seats for technocrats, PTI won two while PPP won the third.

The successful PTI candidates were Akbar Ali and Fazal Raheem, whereas from the PPP, Ghulam Shahzad won.

Women

Among the seats reserved for women, PTI secured four, whereas one each were won by PPP and PML-N.

Women candidates from PTI that stood victorious were Kaneez Fatima, Surriya Muhammad Zaman, Dilshad Bano, and Kulsoom Ilyas.

PPP's Sadia Danish and PML-N's Sanam Bibi were the other two winners.

Speaker summons session on Nov 25​

Speaker Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly Fida Nasahad has summoned a session of the assembly on November 25.

According to public relations officer of the GB Assembly, successful candidates from 24 constituencies will take oath during the session.

"After that, the election of Chief Minister, Speaker and Deputy Speaker by new members of the Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly will be held as per schedule."

'Go to the election tribunal if you have objections'​

Federal Adviser on Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan Ali Amin Gandapur thanked the people for helping PTI win a two-third majority in the assembly.

Addressing a press conference in Gilgit, he declared that "free and fair elections were held in Gilgit-Baltistan".

"Observers have also confirmed free and fair elections in their reports," Gandapur said, adding: "People of Gilgit-Baltistan trust Imran Khan's leadership."

Gandapur said that despite the harsh weather, the turnout in the elections was 60%.

"If anyone has evidence of fraud, bring it to light," he said, referring to protests by PPP over the GBA-2 constituency's result.

Gandapur said peaceful protest is a democratic right of everyone, but vandalism, siege and taking law into hands will not be allowed at any cost.

He said the vote counting in GBA-2 has been done "five times" at the request of the opposing candidate. However, if anyone is not satisfied with the election results, he should go to the election tribunal.

The minister said Opposition parties are only making claims and no one is ready to produce any evidence before GB election commission which had shown "complete impartiality in the election".

PPP to resume protest on Wednesday​

Meanwhile, the PPP held protests in four districts of Gilgit-Baltistan, namely, Skardu, Ghanche, Kharmang and Shiger, rejecting the result in the GBA-2 constituency where PTI candidate Fatehullah Khan was declared the winner as opposed to PPP candidate Jameel Ahmed.
The sit-ins were postponed temporarily due to the severely cold weather, with the party vowing to resume the demonstration on Wednesday.
The flow of traffic that had been disrupted was thus allowed to return to normal.

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Now i am going to add another article from Gul Bukhari and io want you guys to see what happens when we let our anger and hatred cloud our analysis. I mean, i criticize and the army alot but this was in it own self

 

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Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf has emerged as the majority winner in the 2020 elections for the Gilgit-Baltistan Legislative Assembly.

The Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly consists of 33 seats — 24 of which are contested through direct elections. The remaining nine are reserved seats — six for women and three for technocrats and professionals.

After the remaining official results were announced on Tuesday, the party now has 22 out of 33 seats.

According to a notification by Chief Election Commissioner Gilgit-Baltistan Raja Shahbaz Khan, PTI was declared successful in 10 seats, independent candidates won seven seats, PPP obtained three, PML-N won two, whereas JUI and MWM won one seat each.

PTI also acquired the support of six independents, according to The News.

With 10 wins in general seats, support from six independents, two victories from seats reserved for technocrats and four from those reserved for women, the party has secured 22 seats of 33 in the GB Assembly.

Reserved seats​

Technocrats

Results for reserved seats were also announced today. A notification was issued for the total three reserved seats for technocrats and six reserved seats for women.

Of the seats for technocrats, PTI won two while PPP won the third.

The successful PTI candidates were Akbar Ali and Fazal Raheem, whereas from the PPP, Ghulam Shahzad won.

Women

Among the seats reserved for women, PTI secured four, whereas one each were won by PPP and PML-N.

Women candidates from PTI that stood victorious were Kaneez Fatima, Surriya Muhammad Zaman, Dilshad Bano, and Kulsoom Ilyas.

PPP's Sadia Danish and PML-N's Sanam Bibi were the other two winners.

Speaker summons session on Nov 25​

Speaker Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly Fida Nasahad has summoned a session of the assembly on November 25.

According to public relations officer of the GB Assembly, successful candidates from 24 constituencies will take oath during the session.

"After that, the election of Chief Minister, Speaker and Deputy Speaker by new members of the Gilgit-Baltistan Assembly will be held as per schedule."

'Go to the election tribunal if you have objections'​

Federal Adviser on Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan Ali Amin Gandapur thanked the people for helping PTI win a two-third majority in the assembly.

Addressing a press conference in Gilgit, he declared that "free and fair elections were held in Gilgit-Baltistan".

"Observers have also confirmed free and fair elections in their reports," Gandapur said, adding: "People of Gilgit-Baltistan trust Imran Khan's leadership."

Gandapur said that despite the harsh weather, the turnout in the elections was 60%.

"If anyone has evidence of fraud, bring it to light," he said, referring to protests by PPP over the GBA-2 constituency's result.

Gandapur said peaceful protest is a democratic right of everyone, but vandalism, siege and taking law into hands will not be allowed at any cost.

He said the vote counting in GBA-2 has been done "five times" at the request of the opposing candidate. However, if anyone is not satisfied with the election results, he should go to the election tribunal.

The minister said Opposition parties are only making claims and no one is ready to produce any evidence before GB election commission which had shown "complete impartiality in the election".

PPP to resume protest on Wednesday​

Meanwhile, the PPP held protests in four districts of Gilgit-Baltistan, namely, Skardu, Ghanche, Kharmang and Shiger, rejecting the result in the GBA-2 constituency where PTI candidate Fatehullah Khan was declared the winner as opposed to PPP candidate Jameel Ahmed.
The sit-ins were postponed temporarily due to the severely cold weather, with the party vowing to resume the demonstration on Wednesday.
The flow of traffic that had been disrupted was thus allowed to return to normal.

PTI set to form govt in Gilgit Baltistan

Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf is set to form government in Gilgit Baltistan after securing majority in the Legislative Assembly.The party grabbed 10 seats in the general elections. But after gaining support of six...

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Is there any basis for the protesting ? voter fraud and such ?

Or has the protesting developed into a sick culture where they protest just for protesting ?

Congratulation to G-B on the election results may it benefit the ppl aplenty.

 

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The predictable and messy result in the Gilgit-Baltistan (GB) general election on 15 November has fascinating implications for the future of the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) that aims to throw the army out of politics and regain political space. The crushing defeat of the opposition parties was predictable only in the sense that it was a given the Pakistan army would go all out to rig the election, as usual.

And it has historically always been easier to do so in GB than the rest of Pakistan because of GB being a virtual colony not of Pakistan, but of the Pakistan army. The people and the ‘electables’ are perceived to be resigned to joining the army’s blue eyed party of the day in any given general election.

Projection Versus Reality in Galgit Baltistan Polls​

Independent assessments, about a month ahead of election time, projected the PPP to emerge as the largest vote bagger.

• Pakistan People’s Party 10 seats
• Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) 08 seats
• Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf 03 seats

Given a fair and free election, the Pakistan Democratic Movement coalition was projected to comfortably form a coalition government even without the two seats that independent candidates were expected to win.

However, since independent candidates always go with the winners, the PDM coalition would have still bagged a total of 20 seats out of 24 (directly elected) in the legislative assembly of the semi-autonomous state.
The actual hilarious result however, with counts and recounts still ongoing, is that Imran Khan’s PTI has bagged seven seats (claiming 10), Bilawal led PPP three (claiming 5), the PML (N) two (given up and left the building), and independent candidates have won a whopping seven seats. And unexpectedly, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) has won two seats, and a religious alliance, the Majlis-e-Wehdat-e-Muslimeen (MWM) has also won one seat.

Messy Results in Galgit Baltistan and Way Forward for Pakistan Democratic Movement​

Given the complete shambles, and 17 seats required to form government, there is still no telling who will actually form the government in GB. Given my sense that none of the PDM partners would betray each other when it comes to forming a government, even if the PTI bags all the independents and the MWM, the army (sic) will still not be able to form a government in GB. It will still remain two seats short of the 17 seats required to do so.
Nor will the PDM be able to do so with its 8 seats. Personally, I see a deadlock. Only one seat has to have a by-election because the candidate died of Corona in the run-up to the election. But even if the winner joins the PTI, the army still remains one seat short.

In some ways the mess is delightful. Because it bodes well for the overarching PDM alliance that has bigger objectives for this country than winning a comparatively insignificant election in GB

It has hard lessons for the PDM, which it is high time it learnt.

Deception in Pakistan Army’s ‘Jeans’​

The story started purportedly with Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and the PPP. For some extremely odd reason, Bilawal was actually expecting to win this election—he suspended the PDM momentum and scooted off to GB almost a month ahead of election date and entrenched himself there, forcing Maryam Nawaz to follow suit.

Bilawal Bhutto Zardari (C). (Xinhua/Arshad/IANS)
His party says he was assured of fairness and neutrality by the army. Others say he did a ‘deal’ with the army. That is, the army would let him win GB and in return he would stab the PDM in the back. Whether he actually believed the brass or was testing them out is irrelevant. He found out that deception was in their (the army’s) ‘jeans’ (sic). His tone became shrill after the losses. And hopefully he has now realized that the leopard will not change its spots, ever.

Maryam Nawaz(Photo: Twitter/@MaryamNSharif)
After all, the army did the same with the PML(N) in GB. The same leopard got the PML(N) Chief Minister to give harsh statements against the PPP on Election Day, in return for a win later that night. And then took the seat and the entire election away from him. And in the end the winner, PTI, took all. It was a delicious lesson to all. Yet again. And one hopes they have learnt something this time.

Will Pakistan Democratic Movement Stop Being Naive Now?​

What should have happened to begin with was for the 11 party PDM alliance was to have boycotted the election at the outset. When it is clear that the army is clearly in the position of rigging, you neither make deals with it, nor trust it to allow a fair election. You throw a fit and make life impossible for everyone around. You boycott and declare the election illegitimate, thereby laying the foundation for sending any illegitimately selected government packing soon as you come into power in the center. You lay the foundation for holding fresh pre-term elections in a hotly contested sensitive area.
That not having happened, the humiliating defeat in the election nevertheless most likely finally made the penny drop.

If the penny has indeed dropped, it will most likely result in the PDM alliance, ripped of illusions or naïveté with regard to the Pakistan army and its commitments, renew and reaffirm its commitment to unity and the larger struggle for a democratic Pakistan.

If it hasn’t dropped, and the PDM is unsuccessful in achieving its ends for whatever reason, Pakistan is on its way to becoming North Korea sooner than later.
For now though, my contention is that the army’s win in GB will result in its ultimate loss in the battle for Pakistan.

Army, Election, & Pakistan’s Sham of Democracy in Gilgit-Baltistan

Will Pakistan Democratic Movement Learn Its Lessons? If yes, Army’s ‘win’ in Gilgit Baltistan will result in its loss in the battle for Pakistan, writes Gul Bukhari

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Is there any basis for the protesting ? voter fraud and such ?

Or has the protesting developed into a sick culture where they protest just for protesting ?

Congratulation to G-B on the election results may it benefit the ppl aplenty.

There is no election in the world where we can say that it was 100% transparent with no irregularities and this is very much true for third world countries like Pakistan however none of the irregularities happened which we can say would drastically alter results or alter the results at all. It has become a fashion amongst Pakistani political class to immediately deny failure and declare the result as fraud. All parties, including PTI have done it and no party has conceded defeat. It is a rare sight. So it has become protest for the sake of protest because when you cant win elections then the only way to stay relevant is by street power and this lesson has been well taught by the Islamic parties

 

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There is no election in the world where we can say that it was 100% transparent with no irregularities and this is very much true for third world countries like Pakistan however none of the irregularities happened which we can say would drastically alter results or alter the results at all. It has become a fashion amongst Pakistani political class to immediately deny failure and declare the result as fraud. All parties, including PTI have done it and no party has conceded defeat. It is a rare sight. So it has become protest for the sake of protest because when you cant win elections then the only way to stay relevant is by street power and this lesson has been well taught by the Islamic parties

Well, Turkey has the same problem.

My friend lived in Istanbul with his Turkish wife, and they received ballot papers or such on people who didn't live in their apartment. Syrian names, also as I understand it mayors in smaller towns gather votes and registers voters, so 165 year old ppl have voted.

This is the downside of not reporting deaths.

My personal conviction is Gendarmerie needs to go out and do a headcount and any who fail to prove they live are erased from voter base.

Or change it so people have to show up in person to register themselves as voters.

 

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The crushing defeat of the opposition parties was predictable only in the sense that it was a given the Pakistan army would go all out to rig the election, as usual.

Lets start discussing this piece of article. The defeat of the opposition was predictable was simply due to the fact that the party that won the last government made no effort to campaign and PPP that utilized every power in the book of politics could not have the people forget the terrible reign of 2010-2015. GB is not some far off region, separate from Pakistan. It has links and roads to Pakistan. Its connectivity with Pakistan is more than most provincial regions of Pakistan thus the people over there are well aware of PPP. Many in Punjab University hated the PPP not just because of GB but for their actions in Punjab and Sindh. Bilawal cannot cover up the governance nightmare that is Sindh and the horrors of 2008-2013 of PPP in Federal.

One major party is not campaigning and the other is struggling with a history and ofcourse the electables joining PTI and the independents having a strong base. With these factors understood, only a very detached person, from ground realities would think that PTI would not win.

rest of Pakistan because of GB being a virtual colony not of Pakistan, but of the Pakistan army. The people and the ‘electables’ are perceived to be resigned to joining the army’s blue eyed party of the day in any given general election.

No it is the Colony of Pakistan. I wont deny that the region desperately needs reforms. God knows i have advocated in the most strictest of manner, criticizing Pakistan in a very harsh fashion however it doesnt change the fact that blaming the military here is a sign of obsession. The GB Council is entirely the construct of the Federal and not the Army and her contention makes it look like that the 2010 and 2015 government were entirely Army ridden. Military has a say in GB. Ofcourse it does but not at the level where they can influence elections. The opposition strictly pointed out that the military should not be deployed as it was in 2018 election and the Election commissioner conceded and even then we are blaming the military. You have them in the polling stations, its a problem, you dont have them, its a problem. There is no winning here.

Can the Federal interfere in the elections? No they cant. Not in the manner that she is stating. They can interfere in the manner i wrote and let me reproduce

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There was a reason behind it. GB, like other parts of Pakistan also has their own set of people who can gain votes and could be categorized as kngmakers of the region. Now these men can make or break a government just like other areas of Pakistan has them. MAryam was shouting that 7-8 men have betrayed the party and the people shouldnt vote for them and the reason is simple because the sitting government is PTI and the moment the siting government of N lost its power, the kingmakers started thinking about PTI and how to gain maximum benefit from them.

The question to have is, why does the center always form government in GB and AJK and whether this will play a role in this election?

For this we will have to look at the basic structure of governance and understand where power resides and who can provide the most benefit. The Gb assembly or the Center. This is because we need to understand where the klingmakers would go and what would loyalty to a party get them? would sitting in the opposition mean anything or even forming a government that is not the center in GB? after all Gb is not the 18th amendment province which has vast powers to the province so being opposite to the center party doesnt hurt their interest.

So first of all the post of Governor. This post is to be decided by the Prime minister and President of Pakistan and when
N was in power the governor was from Hunza Mir Ghazanfar Ali appointed by N and when Pti came to power, Raja Jalalbecame governor so in the eyes of everybody who is anybody in GB, that the post of governorship is up for grabs of the center party comes to power. Yes i know that is for all provinces but i am gonna add to this. There is a GB council whose members are 6 from Pakistani parliament, thePrime Minister, the governor and the Minister for Kashmir Affairsset member. Thats 9 members from the central government of Pakistan whereas the GB government has the CM and 6 elected members. So 7 members.so the party that has the Center in Pakistan had the GB Council which has vast powers beginning with that the Council can appoint 3 advisors from the elected members so there is another incentive to support the party at the center and that is the perks and also the Chairman is the PM of Pakistan. The power is tilted towards the center so the kingmakers join whichever party is in power in the center and also the chairman also has powers to commute sentences and grant pardons. The Council also has great legislative power. Infact all the important subjects are with the Council but here is the kicker

The Council keeps the funds. All loans they raise or monies they colected becomes part of their funds and they dont need permission of Pakistan to take a loan whereas The GB government needs permission from Pakistan to take out a loan. So loans are basically under the council and they would hold the major chunk of the funds since the third schedule aka the council legislative list, which has all the major items, has most taxes like sales of good taxes, corporate tax and mineral wealth and duties of all kinds and income taxes without agriculture tax which is with the government. So the Council fund will always be the central fund and if you need developmental fund then you need to be in the good books of the Center and then we have other appointments like Attorney general or public commission or judicature. They all need the consent of the Council. What good is being a railway minister appointed by CM when the subject is with the council? especially if you are from N and the Center is PTI.

It was the same for AJK and for a longtime it was exactly like that till the 13th amendment which is why i predict that AJK may actually see continuation of N league in the future elections since the Council is severely weakened in terms of interests but the GB council is still powerful and can drive interests.

Now the question is whether the announcement of province will see those kingmakers show loyalty and focus on longterm politics by strengthening respective political parties or will they simply not risk it and join the center party and enjoy the perks till the provincialization of the region? Well we will find out in 15th november which is why i am saying that by announcing the province statement, they have thrown in a new factor in the game.

I would still back PTI. It is entirely between Pti and PPP"""""""

Are you against horse trading? then criticize horse trading? why criticize the Federal government only. Criticize all parties including PDM who have repeatedly in their political career displayed some of the worst form of horse trading that the government had to make a law that no parliamentary member can leave his party and still retain his membership.

Projection Versus Reality in Galgit Baltistan Polls​

Independent assessments, about a month ahead of election time, projected the PPP to emerge as the largest vote bagger.

• Pakistan People’s Party 10 seats
• Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) 08 seats
• Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf 03 seats

I have no idea where she got the projections. We have seen various outlets give projections and not a single one of them gave it at this level. Have no clue where she got the numbers and this is amazing isnt it? just make up numbers and throw them out.

However, since independent candidates always go with the winners, the PDM coalition would have still bagged a total of 20 seats out of 24 (directly elected) in the legislative assembly of the semi-autonomous state.
The actual hilarious result however, with counts and recounts still ongoing, is that Imran Khan’s PTI has bagged seven seats (claiming 10), Bilawal led PPP three (claiming 5), the PML (N) two (given up and left the building), and independent candidates have won a whopping seven seats. And unexpectedly, the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (JUI) has won two seats, and a religious alliance, the Majlis-e-Wehdat-e-Muslimeen (MWM) has also won one seat.

Again based on her own numbers which are corroborated by no source whatsoever. Every single source spoke of it being Pti and PPP

Given the complete shambles, and 17 seats required to form government, there is still no telling who will actually form the government in GB.

The party that won 10 seats and had 7 independents to play with and has special seats to come into play. You see she is using the 17 figure from the total 33 but the elected seats were 24 so a party needed 13 to make government so look here, we have PTI winning 10 seats and we have its ally MWM winning 1 seat and we have 7 independents. How can they not form the government but it is written in such a manner as to give the impression as if the Army came to the rescue. It did not? It did not need to.

en if the PTI bags all the independents and the MWM, the army (sic) will still not be able to form a government in GB. It will still remain two seats short of the 17 seats required to do so.
Nor will the PDM be able to do so with its 8 seats. Personally, I see a deadlock.

This is what i would call allowing personal grievances to blind your analysis. It creates a tunnel vision and you simply cant see the larger picture for your analysis to be sound.

Deception in Pakistan Army’s ‘Jeans’​

They are blaming bilawal but he didnt break the 'momentum' at all.. They were holding jalsas everywhere and PDM held jalsa in Quetta without bilawal. They could hold jalsas without anyone. No problem. it is absolutely without thought to claim that these are anything other than jalsas and are some movement of the people. As we have seen movements of the people dont come in the afternoon and leave in the night and disappear from the city. They remain there and rebel and protest. What revolution is this that starts by 2PM in a specific city and ends at 10PM and never to be seen again unless it happens again on a specific day? I didnt know the great revolutions of past and present has lunches and required stages to be built beforehand and chairs to be set.

Flawed stories and analysis again that the Evil army came and swept the election. Why is it so hard to understand that N did absolutely nothing for the election? That they made no preparations at all? Maryam played the worst political hand in history by willfully losing GB. She gave away GB with no fight. Zero campaign, no plans and they didnt even announce full candidates wven when the election was 2 weeks away. JUIF took this more seriously. A dead Campaign but a party that looked to be dying and there is great resentment in their GB chapter that N ignored the election leading to one of the worst defeats in their history.

What should have happened to begin with was for the 11 party PDM alliance was to have boycotted the election at the outset

How would that have helped? they would have held the election and won and again PDM is holding jalsas. There are no people protests. Atleast now you have the opposition screaming stolen mandate. These are our political analysts.

You boycott and declare the election illegitimate, thereby laying the foundation for sending any illegitimately selected government packing soon as you come into power in the cente

So basically 90s politics where the country was so destabilized due to political parties sending 'Selected governments' 'Packing' as soon as they came to power. What precedent will that set? that any political party can declare the other selected and remove them? why stop there? why not bring back the age of Bhutto when he was declaring every party anti-national and removing their governments? You can have selected parties and anti- national parties and remove their governments. Do these 'Analysts' think? Such precedents open doors and it has been a positive step that political parties that came in center, did not interfere in provincial and other holdings of other parties. That they respected this? What stops PTI from declaring emergency in Sindh and removing a Corrupt party? You remove selected parties and they remove corrupt parties. These people dont care about the country as long as their grudges and anger gets satisfied.

Farhat Haq in his excellent book argues that even if an Islamic party comes to power then you must not remove it in an illegal manner but through the elected democratic process to keep the ball rolling and allow democracy to evolve. I agree with this thinking and argued for the governments of 2008-2013 and 2013-2018 and the same for this government and God knows how messed up things are becoming these days.

If it hasn’t dropped, and the PDM is unsuccessful in achieving its ends for whatever reason, Pakistan is on its way to becoming North Korea sooner than later.

The goal of PDM is power and Pakistan will not become North Korea. A foolish notion that again displays the bias.
The goal of PDM is power and if they are such grand rescuers of Pakistan then they should declare all electables as anti-democratic and take power from them to bring true democracy and this would annihilate the influence of the Army as well but they wont because they need them as well and for that they are willing to abandon a majority of Pakistanis for their own power.

It is time these analysts who are supporting them, who were once supporting the mullahs for speaking against the army, must reconsider their allegiance is to the people of Pakistan (Which is not Synonymous with PTI nor Pakistan army) or are they allied to their bias and interests.,

In my opinion, one of the worst pieces i have ever read and i have read stuff from BJP and PMLN paid journalists.

 

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My friend lived in Istanbul with his Turkish wife, and they received ballot papers or such on people who didn't live in their apartment. Syrian names, also as I understand it mayors in smaller towns gather votes and registers voters, so 165 year old ppl have voted.

One will always find such in elections but these are never large and frankly there are now even more checks and balances. For example when you go to vote these are the steps. These are the steps i faced when i went to vote in 2013 and 2018 in Sheikhupura. The station was college road .

1. You enter the polling station by showing your ID card to the agent outside who looks at the ID picture and your face.

2. Then you go to the front table where the guys ask you your Voter ID number which you get from the election office or from SMS if you send your CNIC on their registered number. When you give them the Voter ID then they tell you to to go to another one of the tables on the ground. Those tables are numbered and have their own lists.

3. You go to the table and tell them your Voter ID and give them your CNIC. They look both and then cross your name on the list and this crossing of your name was done on Step 2 as well and give you Nation Assembly form and then tell you to go to the table on the left for the Provincial Form. Both cross your name on the list and take your signatures and thumb impressions both left and right.
4. You take the form and stamp the candidate sign like bat or arrow and then fold the paper and drop it in a sealed box specifically folding the papers.

This was 2013.

In 2018 the procedure was the same but slower because rather than having it on a large ground, they got it in a large room where only one was allowed for the process. They had cameras and also electronic ink and in both you would be marked on your thumb with a sign that would take days to wear off.


In this process the, gangs came and started thappaa system is impossible and even dead people voting is a rare occurrence that is mostly Nadra's fault

 

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As for party competence, let me highlight that the situation of GB is like this that it can only go Up from here. Province status would be a great positive