TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Sanchez]

Turkey, or any other country for that matter, currently does not recognize Taliban as the sovereign ruler of Afghanistan. We also don't sell weapons to non UN recognized entities, so I don't see weapons sales on the horizon before Turkey recognizes Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.

 

[what]

Unless there is a concrete report / rumour about an export to Afghanistan (which i hope will never be the case, as long as Taliban rules). This is pretty much a non discussion.

I cant even believe that people actually think that we would consider such an export.

 

[AWP]

(which i hope will never be the case, as long as Taliban rules)

why not ?

 

[B_A]

As if any country has not done that LOL

Why I would I recognise pkk lmaoo

They are our enemies. The Taliban is not unless if they attack Turkiye or Turks I will treat them as a hostile enemy.

Right now they are willing to talk and do deals.

Let me remind you us Turks supported various Afghan war lords who were just as brutal and ruthless as the Taliban like Abdul Rashid Dostum.

Get off the high horse. Commie Chinese will be increasing their influence in Central Asia.

Why do you care so much about what the West thinks when they literally support various dictatorships and terror groups.

Nobody is innocent in this game of geopolitics.

BTW Are we dare to sell weapons to Tayvan?Seems they interested in our drone and missile.

If they can provide us the chip technology...

 

[what]

why not ?

Because its the Taliban, which we fought against and trained forces against for 2 decades.
Because it will damage Turkey reputation.
Because its basically Saudi Arabia but in poor.

 

[Bogeyman]

At this point, we haven’t seen proof of A2A capabilities of TB2 or Akinci. -

The helicopter carrying PKK terrorists was hit by Sungur Manpads fired from UAVs. Friends at special forces also went to the area to take pictures of the corpses.

 

[AWP]

Because its the Taliban, which we fought against and trained forces against for 2 decades.
Because it will damage Turkey reputation.
Because its basically Saudi Arabia but in poor.

1- you followed the US and fought their war , not war you believed in.
2- you trained a corrupt army who got defeated in less than a month
3- when the US officially recognize Afghanistan all the world will be follow what the White House did , then I would love to see if that will hurt Turkey reputation.
4- KSA ?! How and why ?!

 

[wolveray1]

Black Arrow – the Turkish Delights – Malaysian Defence

www.malaysiandefence.com

Roketsan karaok win malaysian tender for atgm against another 4 bidders.
Currently it is a small batches worth only usd10 millions.

SHAH ALAM: In early June, Malaysian Defence reported that five bidders have been shortlisted for the tender of 18 Anti-Tank Guided Weapon Medium Range (ATGW-MR) which was published on April 18. It was supposed to close on May 18 but the deadline was extended to June 1.
From the story: The lowest bidder is RM42.075 million; followed by RM42.322 million; RM44.550 million; RM44.736 million and highest RM46.673.


Malaysian Defence can reveal today that the winner of the tender is the Roketsan Karaok. Roketsan said the

 

[Tornadoss]

Black Arrow – the Turkish Delights – Malaysian Defence

www.malaysiandefence.com

Roketsan karaok win malaysian tender for atgm against another 4 bidders.
Currently it is a small batches worth only usd10 millions.

SHAH ALAM: In early June, Malaysian Defence reported that five bidders have been shortlisted for the tender of 18 Anti-Tank Guided Weapon Medium Range (ATGW-MR) which was published on April 18. It was supposed to close on May 18 but the deadline was extended to June 1.
From the story: The lowest bidder is RM42.075 million; followed by RM42.322 million; RM44.550 million; RM44.736 million and highest RM46.673.


Malaysian Defence can reveal today that the winner of the tender is the Roketsan Karaok. Roketsan said the

I am not sure it's really Karaok or OMTAS. Because in the website it says required range is 2000-4000 meters. AFAIK, Karaok has a range of 2500 meters. Either, they increased missile range or website is mistaken with missile name.

 

[Agha Sher]

The helicopter carrying PKK terrorists was hit by Sungur Manpads fired from UAVs. Friends at special forces also went to the area to take pictures of the corpses.

Is there any evidence available to the public on this claim?

 

[Bogeyman]

Is there any evidence available to the public on this claim?

No there's not. Because my brother's friend, who was working in the region, was in the special forces. Let's just say it's just a rumor circulating personally.

 

[Agha Sher]

No there's not. Because my brother's friend, who was working in the region, was in the special forces. Let's just say it's just a rumor circulating personally.

If true, it would be Sungur's first blood, thereby also combat proven

 

[I_Love_F16]

No there's not. Because my brother's friend, who was working in the region, was in the special forces. Let's just say it's just a rumor circulating personally.

It also doesn’t make sense to hide this capability to the public, in contrary this will give another argument to buy Turkish drones.

 

[Bogeyman]

It also doesn’t make sense to hide this capability to the public, in contrary this will give another argument to buy Turkish drones.

I don't think you need to advertise. Turkey's UAV capabilities are obvious. A comprehensive presentation is already being made for the delegations that come for extra capabilities. We don't need to put these abilities in everyone's eyes. Surprise abilities increase unpredictability.

 

[Bogeyman]

The helicopter carrying PKK terrorists was hit by Sungur Manpads fired from UAVs. Friends at special forces also went to the area to take pictures of the corpses.

Meanwhile, in the first information, they said, "We hit the helicopter with the missile fired from the UAV". I thought it might be Sungur at best. We're not going to shoot helicopters with anti-tank missiles in the air, are we?

 

[Heartbang]

I am not sure it's really Karaok or OMTAS. Because in the website it says required range is 2000-4000 meters. AFAIK, Karaok has a range of 2500 meters. Either, they increased missile range or website is mistaken with missile name.

AFAIK range improvements depend on the CLU unit that comes with the missiles, not with the missile itself.
At least that's how Javelins range went up from 2500 m to 4000 m. Also, vehicle mounted Javelins boast even further range, due to the inherent superiority of the vehicle mounted EO/IR optic systems.

 

[Afif]

The first export stop of the KARAOK Missile is Malaysia​

Malaysia became the first export customer of the KARAOK Anti-Tank Missile. Malaysia will supply more than 100 KARAOK Missiles along with 18 systems.

According to the news of Malaysian Defense; In early June, the Malaysian Ministry of Defense reported that five bidders had been shortlisted for the tender for 18 Medium Range Anti-Tank Guided Weapons (ATGW-MR), which was issued on 18 April. The tender was supposed to close on May 18, but the deadline for bidding was extended to June 1.

The Malaysian Ministry of Defense announced today that the company that won the tender is Roketsan KARAOK .

The 18 Roketsan KARAOK ATGW-MR systems to be purchased will come with six missiles for each launcher, for a total of 108 missiles. The package will also include an indoor simulator, three outdoor simulators, their components, and three transparent missiles for testing equipment.

When KARAOK enters service with the Malaysian Army, it will replace the Metis-M ATGW-MR missile installed on G-Wagen 4X4 vehicles. The new ATGW-MR will be integrated into Cendana vehicles.

KARAOK Missile Technical Specifications​

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1698987113285345652

Diameter	125mm
Weight	< 16 kg (Missile + Tube)
Range	2.5 kilometers
Warhead Type	Armor Piercing Tandem
Strike Mode	Direct Hit / Overhead Hit
Usage Mode	Throw-Forget

Although the KARAOK Project initially targeted a range of 1.5 kilometers, Roketsan managed to reach 2.5 kilometers. Since the KARAOK Missile will be launched from the shoulder by TEK-ER, its weight has also been highly optimized.

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Source- @SavunmaSanayiST.com


Note- 108 missile with 18 CLU and other training simulators for $10 millions only is incredibly cost effective.
Each missile is probbaly costing around $60000-70000.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Note- 108 missile with 18 CLU and other training simulators for $10 millions only is incredibly cost effective.
Each missile is probbaly costing around $60000-70000.

Just to add;

With Cost Of Ukraine Support Mounting, Here Are Alternatives To Ferrari-Priced Javelin Missiles

The U.S. is supplying billions of dollars of military assistance to Ukraine. Modern weapons like Javelin are extremely effective but eye-wateringly expensive, alternatives are more limited but cost a fraction as much. What is the best approach for supporting Ukraine?

www.forbes.com

US ‘s Javelin costs 197884 dollars a piece according to above site.
That does include the Command Launch Unit too; which is estimated at around 80000 dollars.

EDIT
As per last year’s price has increased.
Probably under war conditions!!

quote
The shoulder-fired Raytheon/Lockheed Martin system can strike a target 2,500 meters (8,202 feet) away. It costs $178,000, including the launching system and the missile, which alone costs around $78,000.

unquote

So with today’s money around 80000 dollars for the CLU.

US Approves $125 Million UK Javelin Missile Request

The US State Department has approved a Javelin missile sale to the UK government worth an estimated $125 million.

www.thedefensepost.com

 

[Afif]

Just to add;

With Cost Of Ukraine Support Mounting, Here Are Alternatives To Ferrari-Priced Javelin Missiles

The U.S. is supplying billions of dollars of military assistance to Ukraine. Modern weapons like Javelin are extremely effective but eye-wateringly expensive, alternatives are more limited but cost a fraction as much. What is the best approach for supporting Ukraine?

www.forbes.com

US ‘s Javelin costs 197884 dollars a piece according to above site.
That does include the Command Launch Unit too; which is estimated as over 80000 dollars.

Perhaps $450000 in total. Missile is roughly $200k and CLU is $250k.
(Of course each missile doesn't come with a CLU. Roughly 1x CLU per 5/6x missiles)

 

[Agha Sher]

The first export stop of the KARAOK Missile is Malaysia​

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Malaysia became the first export customer of the KARAOK Anti-Tank Missile. Malaysia will supply more than 100 KARAOK Missiles along with 18 systems.

According to the news of Malaysian Defense; In early June, the Malaysian Ministry of Defense reported that five bidders had been shortlisted for the tender for 18 Medium Range Anti-Tank Guided Weapons (ATGW-MR), which was issued on 18 April. The tender was supposed to close on May 18, but the deadline for bidding was extended to June 1.

The Malaysian Ministry of Defense announced today that the company that won the tender is Roketsan KARAOK .

The 18 Roketsan KARAOK ATGW-MR systems to be purchased will come with six missiles for each launcher, for a total of 108 missiles. The package will also include an indoor simulator, three outdoor simulators, their components, and three transparent missiles for testing equipment.

When KARAOK enters service with the Malaysian Army, it will replace the Metis-M ATGW-MR missile installed on G-Wagen 4X4 vehicles. The new ATGW-MR will be integrated into Cendana vehicles.

KARAOK Missile Technical Specifications​

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1698987113285345652

Diameter	125mm
Weight	< 16 kg (Missile + Tube)
Range	2.5 kilometers
Warhead Type	Armor Piercing Tandem
Strike Mode	Direct Hit / Overhead Hit
Usage Mode	Throw-Forget

Although the KARAOK Project initially targeted a range of 1.5 kilometers, Roketsan managed to reach 2.5 kilometers. Since the KARAOK Missile will be launched from the shoulder by TEK-ER, its weight has also been highly optimized.

---

Source- @SavunmaSanayiST.com


Note- 108 missile with 18 CLU and other training simulators for $10 millions only is incredibly cost effective.
Each missile is probbaly costing around $60000-70000.

Probably significant discounts were given to secure the first foreign customer. Expect additional customers to pay incrementally more per unit. NATO customers should definitely be milked like the Americans are milking them.