TR Small Aerial Drones & Loitering Ammunitions

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776294144501039158

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Killing submarines by drone - Navy Lookout

In the recent REPMUS exercise held in Portugal, a BAE Systems / Malloy Aeronautics T-600 UAS was used to launch an inert training variant Sting Ray torpedo. Here we look at the background and the future potential of delivering anti-submarine torpedos by uncrewed aerial systems. Background It...

www.navylookout.com

 

[Ecderha]

I also want to add that above Drone will have dipping sonar too with the light torpedo.
It speed is faster than helicopter
Ship will have many of them on board. ( Corvet ship will have 6 - 10 of them on board. It mean 6-10 helicopter job in ship )

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776294144501039158

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That drone in the photo is not the one mentioned in the tweet though, the one mentioned is an USV, this is T-600. It fired a Sting Ray last year.

 

[boredaf]

I also want to add that above Drone will have dipping sonar too with the light torpedo.
It speed is faster than helicopter
Ship will have many of them on board. ( Corvet ship will have 6 - 10 of them on board. It mean 6-10 helicopter job in ship )

You're mixing stuff up mate, or you have a source that isn't available anywhere. Not only I haven't seen a single mention of a sonar anywhere about this one, this drone was more of a tech demonstrator for this drone BAE actually plan to make:

https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/t-650-heavy-lift-electric-uas-concept-vehicle#

And its top speed is 140 km, certainly not faster than a helicopter.

 

[kyrios]

BAYKAR FLYED WITH BG-160 CAMERA

Bayraktar KALKAN DİHA, which can perform automatic route tracking, target tracking, circling and returning home modes, performed its flight test with the Baykar BG-160 camera, which was completely nationally and indigenously developed by Baykar.

Bayraktar KALKAN DİHA can also take high-resolution images at night, thanks to the Baykar BG-160 Electro-Optical System, which has thermal imaging capability. The National DİHA can successfully perform reconnaissance, surveillance and target detection missions day and night.

Did Baykar discard Epsilon EO / IR from Kalkan?
How come Baykar can develop mini EO/IR? They bought start-up company?

Does it use TEI PG50?

 

[Zafer]

Did Baykar discard Epsilon EO / IR from Kalkan?
How come Baykar can develop mini EO/IR? They bought start-up company?

Does it use TEI PG50?

They are using a startup company engine. The company existed but they started making this engine recently. This is a 12hp engine where PG50 is 50hp.

 

[Zapper]

 

[BaburKhan]

Kamikaze UAV DELİ Targets Export Market | TURDEF

After Pacific Technology purchased 51 percent of Titra Teknoloji AŞ shares, Turkish Kamikaze UAV DELİ aims to achieve export success this year.

turdef.com

Is the Deli Kamikaze UAV in the Inventory of TAF ?

 

[Kartal1]

Kamikaze UAV DELİ Targets Export Market | TURDEF

After Pacific Technology purchased 51 percent of Titra Teknoloji AŞ shares, Turkish Kamikaze UAV DELİ aims to achieve export success this year.

turdef.com

Is the Deli Kamikaze UAV in the Inventory of TAF ?

No. There were rumors on a test in Syria, but not sure if it's true.

As usual a good design, possibly good performance, but TSK is TSK.

 

[BaburKhan]

No. There were rumors on a test in Syria, but not sure if it's true.

As usual a good design, possibly good performance, but TSK is TSK.

The War in Ukraine showed the importance of these Kamikaze Drones, they are cheap to built and are effective on the Battlefield.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1789935510019776772

China's kamikaze UAV force. I want this too.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Feeling like we should embark on pickup-based solutions as well for potential customers with low budget.

I used AZAB T150 as a representative kamikaze UAV but assume it can be anything else.

Plus, BAYKAR launched KEMANKEŞ V2 from that type of vehicle so this tells me something.

We have a suitable platform and multiple options at this point. Nothing should be holding us back from doing it.

 

[Kartal1]

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Feeling like we should embark on pickup-based solutions as well for potential customers with low budget.

I used AZAB T150 as a representative kamikaze UAV but assume it can be anything else.

Plus, BAYKAR launched KEMANKEŞ V2 from that type of vehicle so this tells me something.

We have a suitable platform and multiple options at this point. Nothing should be holding us back from doing it.

I agree 100%. The mobility and versatility of a 4x4 off road vehicle will provide a big plus to the user. Mobile, easy to service, easy to camouflage, big range etc. A very good solution in my opinion.

 

[Afif]

No. There were rumors on a test in Syria, but not sure if it's true.

As usual a good design, possibly good performance, but TSK is TSK.

I think they want something more complex and capable. Like sky striker.

 

[Quasar]

I think they want something more complex and capable. Like sky striker.

Sky striker with Loitering time of two hours with a less than a million USD price tag guess it is logical to stay at safer and affordable side with a mixture of KARGI (loitering time 6 hours) and may be KEMANKEŞ (2) (jet engine) or may be a swarm of DELİ

 

[Kartal1]

I think they want something more complex and capable. Like sky striker.

If that's the case I think there should be more layering in this.

Deli is not super different than Sky Striker. Sky Striker is a bit more complex and big. It carries bigger warhead, its MTOW is also bigger, it has retrieve function (I don't think Deli has it), it has around 15km more range and more endurance (2 hour) with its 5kg warhead configuration. It's good, nothing to add on its specs.

Deli is smaller (13kg MTOW compared to 50kg MTOW of Sky Striker) featuring , both catapult and hand launch capability, 3.1kg warhead, 85km range, 75 minutes endurance, optional GNSS anti-jamming capability and is swarm capable. No complex EO or seekers. I am thinking about a cheap solution which can be used mainly against asymmetric threats. Looking at things like IIR seekers, state of the art software, materials etc my inner voice just tells me "It's not worth it bro! These are just meat for the grinder, throw rocks at them"

A possible scenario: After mutual heavy artillery fire between TSK and a terrorist organization in the north of Syria, TSK needs a low profile reconnaissance and surveillance tool. Baykar's Kalkan VTOL is sent in the area (airspace is closed for UCAVs). It is detected that terrorists are preparing launch sites close to a residential area and an artillery strike would cause a risk for the civilians in this area. This is where 2-3 Deli loitering munitions are launched and used for precise strikes on the launch sites.

Another scenario: You just want to harass the sh!t out of some donkeys in the 30-40km range and launch 5-10 a day for the fun for a couple of days targeting their control points or not very important targets

I think STM-Roketsan Alpagut may evolve into something more comparable to the Sky Striker in terms of MTOW, warhead weight, range and endurance. It was supposed to make its first firing test in 2023, but still nothing from them and I really like it. It would be a shame if they abandon it as a project. I don't see the catapult launch and retrieve capability, but still...

 

[boredaf]

I am thinking about a cheap solution which can be used mainly against asymmetric threats.

Nothing we could use can be cheaper than MK-81 bombs, which cost 4 or 5 thousands dollars or something like that, plus simple guidance kits though not sure how much they would cost. Bit overkill of course For example, Shahed-136, guesstimate from NYT iirc, costs 20k a piece for example.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796289740758483451

This is how the Russian UAV hunted the Ukrainian UAV.

 

[Strong AI]

New Kamikaze Drone SAGAN to Hunt Down Threats:
- ASISGUARD has developed an FPV drone with a range of capabilities in collaboration with KZ Mekatronik.
- The FPV drone SAGAN, which allows users to see from the drone's perspective, will bring the attributes of its namesake bird—silent, fast, and sharp observational skills—to the modern battlefield.
- Developed to support land and air operations, SAGAN can transform into a kamikaze drone with its onboard explosives to neutralize threatening drones when needed. It can also perform surveillance and interception tasks in high-risk enclosed areas like caves.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1798295361791905848

 

[boredaf]

New kamikaze UAV study from STM: KARGU-3

STM'den yeni kamikaze İHA çalışması: KARGU-3

Milli Savunma Bakanlığı tarafından yapılan bilgilendirmelerde ayrıca STM tarafından geliştirilen KARGU-3 ile ilgili bilgiler paylaşıldı.

www.defenceturk.net

"It is planned to make KARGU lighter and increase its airtime in the third generation. In the shared information, it was stated that KARGU-2 will have a stay in the air for 25 minutes with a weight of 7.5 kg, while KARGU-3 will have a stay in the air for 40 minutes with a weight of 6.5 kg.

According to the information shared in 2023, the KARGU kamikaze UAV, whose production number exceeded three thousand and was exported to 10 countries, was used by Azerbaijan and Turkey in active conflict areas. As a system that has proven itself on the battlefield, the development of the KARGU family stands out as an element that will further increase the export potential. In addition, it was shared that in the past years, anti-radiation (a type of warhead aimed at various radar and EW devices) seeker head and armour-piercing warhead studies were carried out for KARGU."

Also, Defence Turk also had this neat visual for how claymores work, which is the payload of Kargu. Just imagine 840 4mm steel balls coming from above instead of right in your face.