TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Barry]

https://eurasianet.org/israel-emerging-as-source-of-tension-in-azerbaijans-special-relationship-with-turkey?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Article hints these protestors against SOCAR is just the beginning

Poster says "Two nations, One Betrayal"

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Islamists trying hard to be bigger traitors to the nation than the PKK.

 

[Bozan]

Azerbaijan also supports Palestine.
Be somewhat critical of what you read.
If your idea is to spoil (bozmak ) Azerbaijan-Turkey relations, don't try in vain, dear BOZAN!

C'mon I'm not spoiling anything from a post on this forum

The author: Bahruz Samadov is a PhD candidate in political science at Charles University in Prague.

Also, Aliyev is going to do an Erdogan.

In early 2024, Aliyev mentioned the need for a fresh “national ideology - he will go down a rabbit hole of anti-west rhetoric and form strong bonds with Russia, China and other illiberal states. There is no national struggle for territorial integrity anymore, he needs a new fight to keep the people in line

 

[Corvus]

Islamists trying hard to be bigger traitors to the nation than the PKK.

What makes these people islamists in your eyes?

 

[Deliorman]

Islamists trying hard to be bigger traitors to the nation than the PKK.

Be sure that most of them are not even Turkish to begin with...

 

[Sanchez]

What makes these people islamists in your eyes?

Calling your country “traitor” for one(“2 states, 1 treason”), would make many think that you place other stuff like your religion buddies or other states before you. They’re fifth columnists. Everybody can follow their own ideology and belief systems but nation must come first. If it doesn’t for them, what good are they for the nation?

 

[Iskander]

C'mon I'm not spoiling anything from a post on this forum

The author: Bahruz Samadov is a PhD candidate in political science at Charles University in Prague.

Also, Aliyev is going to do an Erdogan.

In early 2024, Aliyev mentioned the need for a fresh “national ideology - he will go down a rabbit hole of anti-west rhetoric and form strong bonds with Russia, China and other illiberal states. There is no national struggle for territorial integrity anymore, he needs a new fight to keep the people in line

“We have one family - the Turkic states! We don't need any other family."

This is what Aliyev said. This is our national idea. For me, as a supporter of Turan (the cultural, political and military unity of the Turk states), this is the most important thing.
And what some Samadov from Prague writes is not interesting to me.
Regarding the “bridle”. Where did you read this? Have you been reading all sorts of Financial Times again this morning? Or its cousin, The New York Times?
Feel free to check out the Canadian, Australian and New Zealand Times! They all write the same thing, protecting first of all their national interests.
And those who disagree with them are denigrated, portrayed as savages, dictators and cannibals.

80% of people do not have very developed critical thinking, so they probably believe in all sorts of Times.
Of the remaining 20%, few people know what continent Azerbaijan is on.
Our opinion is known to only a few who... they simply don’t care!
Well, since they don’t care, what can we do except not pay attention to them or don’t care like them.
Peoples are different.
And their interests are different. Is this difficult to understand?
Do you really think that all of Europe will suddenly get excited about the idea of Turan?!

 

[Afif]

“We have one family - the Turkic states! We don't need any other family."

This is what Aliyev said. This is our national idea. For me, as a supporter of Turan (the cultural, political and military unity of the Turk states), this is the most important thing.
And what some Samadov from Prague writes is not interesting to me.
Regarding the “bridle”. Where did you read this? Have you been reading all sorts of Financial Times again this morning? Or its cousin, The New York Times?
Feel free to check out the Canadian, Australian and New Zealand Times! They all write the same thing, protecting first of all their national interests.
And those who disagree with them are denigrated, portrayed as savages, dictators and cannibals.

80% of people do not have very developed critical thinking, so they probably believe in all sorts of Times.
Of the remaining 20%, few people know what continent Azerbaijan is on.
Our opinion is known to only a few who... they simply don’t care!
Well, since they don’t care, what can we do except not pay attention to them or don’t care like them.
Peoples are different.
And their interests are different. Is this difficult to understand?
Do you really think that all of Europe will suddenly get excited about the idea of Turan?!

Respectfully, the accusations are hard to believe.

NYT, WP & Guardian (despite everything they get wrong) are still better than anything published around the globe. any criticism of foreign entities they may have, does not propagate from a place of racism, bigotry or xenophobia. Rather it comes from perhaps 'extreme' leftist ideals.

Which may deemed inappropriate or unfair in certain context and situations, still, intents matter.

And they hardly upholds any government propaganda or interests that goes against liberal ideals. In fact, often the most intense criticism of Western foreign policy comes from these very publications.

 

[Afif]

One thing I came to realized conservatives everywhere in muslims countries Hate the West almost no matter what.

However, what is surprising, for many progressive Turks, I see they also hate the West equally. Even though they prefer to live by Western ideals in their socio-cultural and political setting. (Liberal outlook on individual/personal life, secular outlook on collective society and despising anything remotely religious.) That is quite the opposite of how most Progressives and liberals in South Asia would view the West. Geopolitically, much more friendly outlook IMO.

Now i can fully understand how it can be competitive and confrontational geopolitically with the West (unlike in our region) as Turkish National interests often collides with those of the West, but it still baffling how does that results into outright demonization (of the West), paranoia and borderline conspiracy from otherwise educated people.

 

[YeşilVatan]

...demonization (of the West), paranoia and conspiracy...

Are you paranoid if they are actually out to get you?

 

[Afif]

Are you paranoid if they are actually out to get you?

That's what i am trying to say, i just don't think West is out there to get anyone just because who they are.

 

[YeşilVatan]

That's what i am trying to say, i just don't think West is out there to get anyone just because who they are.

A century of a half successful reconquista in and around Turkey beg to differ. Even when compared to other muslim nations, European behaviour towards Turks is remarkably hostile. They smiply want us gone. Fortunately, we are not in that age anymore, but in every westerner's heart there lies a desire to "drive off the Turkish hordes" and retake Constantinople.

 

[I_Love_F16]

but in every westerner's heart there lies a desire to "drive off the Turkish hordes" and retake Constantinople.

I disagree here. People in the West doesn’t give a damn about Turks or Turkey or anyone else. Like everywhere, people just want to live their life without being bothered. Those you describe are conservatives from the Balkans (Greece, Serbia, etc..)

 

[Bozan]

C'mon I'm not spoiling anything from a post on this forum

The author: Bahruz Samadov is a PhD candidate in political science at Charles University in Prague.

Also, Aliyev is going to do an Erdogan.

In early 2024, Aliyev mentioned the need for a fresh “national ideology - he will go down a rabbit hole of anti-west rhetoric and form strong bonds with Russia, China and other illiberal states. There is no national struggle for territorial integrity anymore, he needs a new fight to keep the people in line

in a recent interview with Chinese Global Times, the Assistant of President of Azerbaijan for Foreign Policy Affairs Hikmat Hajiyev stressed that Azerbaijan condemns election in Taiwan as “completely unacceptable”. Hajiyev also dismissed Western “security concerns” about Chinese technologies.

One thing I came to realized conservatives everywhere in muslims countries Hate the West almost no matter what.

However, what is surprising, for many progressive Turks, I see they also hate the West equally. Even though they prefer to live by Western ideals in their socio-cultural and political setting. (Liberal outlook on individual/personal life, secular outlook on collective society and despising anything remotely religious.) That is quite the opposite of how most Progressives and liberals in South Asia would view the West. Geopolitically, much more friendly outlook IMO.

Now i can fully understand how it can be competitive and confrontational geopolitically with the West (unlike in our region) as Turkish National interests often collides with those of the West, but it still baffling how does that results into outright demonization (of the West), paranoia and borderline conspiracy from otherwise educated people.

Fahrettin's propaganda machine. Erdogan has tried to make the west responsible for every single issue to inoculate the population against western publication criticisms against his one man rule. If the people are xenophobic, they're more influenceable

There are so many examples

Despite this, Erdogan and his son funnel so much money out of the EU.

 

[Ryder]

That's what i am trying to say, i just don't think West is out there to get anyone just because who they are.

It stems from the fact that the Ottoman Empire collapsed and the Turks nearly got erased from their own homeland.

I think its pretty normal to be paranoid.

When you have both the West and Russia against you. Only way Turkiye is going to be strong is not by choosing any side.

Turrks conquered from Siberia all the way to Vienna. Not just Europeans, Americans and the Russians who are hostile but also the Chinese, Arabs and Iranians.

We picked up a lot of enemies overtime in both Pre-Islamic and Post Islamic eras.

Even our cousins the Mongols became our enemies once even today they still refuse to intergrate with the Turkic world and harbour racist feelings towards Kazakhs just for being Turkic and Muslim by the way.

 

[mehmed beg]

I disagree here. People in the West doesn’t give a damn about Turks or Turkey or anyone else. Like everywhere, people just want to live their life without being bothered. Those you describe are conservatives from the Balkans (Greece, Serbia, etc..)

Really? Well , let me be judge of that. They don't like me , let alone you.
As of Samedov whatever his name might be but if someone relies of someone title then that thing usually has to do with tomato farming.

 

[TR_123456]

However, what is surprising, for many progressive Turks, I see they also hate the West equally. Even though they prefer to live by Western ideals in their socio-cultural and political setting. (Liberal outlook on individual/personal life, secular outlook on collective society and despising anything remotely religious.)

This is the result of ''the West playing with a weak Türkiye'',


The EU saying something doing the opposite(60 years of bs)
Hidden sanctions or delays on weapon deliveries
Harboring terrorists(PKK,Feto,etc)
Weaponizing our enemies
Working against us in every situation possible
Trying to keep us dependent on them for technology/weapons and all other requierments


The Turkish society is a modern society,we dont feel east nor west.
Our values are more Western then eastern but this doesnt mean we copied the West.
We are not a Muslim society as known in your region,maybe thats why you think we want to live like the West.
We already have almost the same lifestyle,this Muslim world thingy came with the AKP rule.
As you may have noticed,Erdogan tried to change the society but the people didnt accept it.
Dont compare us to Muslim countries,our country is a secular democracy,not a Muslim country.


''Turkey is a secular state with no official religion since the constitutional amendment in 1924. To some Turks, Islam is an important part of Turkish life, but the country is very tolerant of all religions, and faiths.''

Religion – Youth For Understanding Türkiye

yfu-turkey.org

 

[Afif]

This is the result of ''the West playing with a weak Türkiye'',


The EU saying something doing the opposite(60 years of bs)
Hidden sanctions or delays on weapon deliveries
Harboring terrorists(PKK,Feto,etc)
Weaponizing our enemies
Working against us in every situation possible
Trying to keep us dependent on them for technology/weapons and all other requierments


The Turkish society is a modern society,we dont feel east nor west.
Our values are more Western then eastern but this doesnt mean we copied the West.
We are not a Muslim society as known in your region,maybe thats why you think we want to live like the West.
We already have almost the same lifestyle,this Muslim world thingy came with the AKP rule.
As you may have noticed,Erdogan tried to change the society but the people didnt accept it.
Dont compare us to Muslim countries,our country is a secular democracy,not a Muslim country.

You didn't understand what I wrote. You weren't a secular country. It was chalipate then Ataturk adapted Western secular and liberal outlook for Turkish state and society. Those ideas are very much Western. That's the whole point.

 

[TR_123456]

You didn't understand what I wrote. You weren't a secular country. It was chalipate then Ataturk adapted Western secular and liberal outlook for Turkish state and society. Those ideas are very much Western. That's the whole point.

If you want to go there(that far back) then lets talk about Bangladesh.
Your people never wore burqa's,your society was colorful vibrant and happy,what happened?
Why did you change to an Arab society?
So,why did you go backwards when even the Arabs are trying to Westernize their society?
The whole point is to go forward,not backward.
The Turkish society is modern not Ottoman(even the Ottomans tried to change but were to late).
After 100 years you cant talk about why did you do this or that.
Your changes are recent 30/40 years or so.

 

[Afif]

If you want to go there(that far back) then lets talk about Bangladesh.
Your people never wore burqa's,your society was colorful vibrant and happy,what happened?
Why did you change to an Arab society?
So,why did you go backwards when even the Arabs are trying to Westernize their society?

Ustad, this isn't happening. So far nothing suggest BD society is going backwards when even Arabs are trying to modernize. Much less women of this generation wear burka.

The whole point is to go forward,not backward.

I agree.

 

[Baryshx]

One thing I came to realized conservatives everywhere in muslims countries Hate the West almost no matter what.

However, what is surprising, for many progressive Turks, I see they also hate the West equally. Even though they prefer to live by Western ideals in their socio-cultural and political setting. (Liberal outlook on individual/personal life, secular outlook on collective society and despising anything remotely religious.) That is quite the opposite of how most Progressives and liberals in South Asia would view the West. Geopolitically, much more friendly outlook IMO.

Now i can fully understand how it can be competitive and confrontational geopolitically with the West (unlike in our region) as Turkish National interests often collides with those of the West, but it still baffling how does that results into outright demonization (of the West), paranoia and borderline conspiracy from otherwise educated people.

We don't hate the West. We hate their politics. How can a person hate the West? One should be ashamed of what the western civilization has brought to the world. As a Muslim, I ask, what has the so-called Islamic civilization brought to the world? What is their situation now? During the so-called Islamic age, progress was made in the field of science, reason and logic thanks to the translation of the works of the Greeks. Education and reading are also important here. So, again, Western civilization...

If Islamic countries do not prioritize reading, that is, education, nothing will happen in these countries. Because you cannot fool educated people. Thus, the shitty governments that are now in charge of almost all Islamic countries would not be able to come to power. Btw, the first word of the Qur'an is 'Read'.

China, Japan and Korea made progress thanks to the West and what they learned from the West. Then, of course, with education...