TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Kartal1]

I had no idea that a Turk came up with this idea. I wonder if the Turkish government is working on something similar; it will be a shame if the US adopts it but not Turkey.

I am not aware of a same concept in development in Turkiye.

Well, it is known that TSK doesn't like to be an innovator or the "first to". While there are bad sides of this there is also a logical explanation and this is the already low defence budget.

Turkiye doesn't have the almost unlimited budget the US haves and this is why every development and acquisition is planned very specifically without much room for experimenting and especially taking in account that we should play with expensive cruise missiles, cargo planes and release systems... I don't see this happening anytime soon .

Also there is something in this concept that is not compatible with the way the Turkish Air Forces operate. We already have extremely overstretched and aging cargo fleet and I am not sure if we have the luxury to sacrifice logistics capacity in order to use a cargo plane in this specific role. This is why we bid on higher count of unmanned platforms (unmanned) that will be able to fire such weapons from standoff ranges.

 

[UkroTurk]

I had no idea that a Turk came up with this idea. I wonder if the Turkish government is working on something similar; it will be a shame if the US adopts it but not Turkey.

In the other forum, 10 Years ago we already had shared this opinion before he proposed. Kinda Poormens B1lancers.

Personally me shared boeing747 cruise missile launcher.

There was a beloved " Hurşid "guy if someone remembers

 

[BaburKhan]

I am not aware of a same concept in development in Turkiye.

Well, it is known that TSK doesn't like to be an innovator or the "first to". While there are bad sides of this there is also a logical explanation and this is the already low defence budget.

Turkiye doesn't have the almost unlimited budget the US haves and this is why every development and acquisition is planned very specifically without much room for experimenting and especially taking in account that we should play with expensive cruise missiles, cargo planes and release systems... I don't see this happening anytime soon .

Also there is something in this concept that is not compatible with the way the Turkish Air Forces operate. We already have extremely overstretched and aging cargo fleet and I am not sure if we have the luxury to sacrifice logistics capacity in order to use a cargo plane in this specific role. This is why we bid on higher count of unmanned platforms (unmanned) that will be able to fire such weapons from standoff ranges.

For a Regional Strike Capabillity, Cruise Missiles and Hypersonic Cruise Missiles can be deployed on Trucks, without scarificing Airlift Capabillity. Not to forget on Surface Ships and Submarines.

 

[BaburKhan]

It seems to be possible to go with Siper Product-2 a similar Way like with the XAIM-147b. These long-range BVR Missiles have the Capabillity to counter enemy high Value Assests like AWACS, MPA and Tankers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1809295348268998663

U.S. Navy Unveils XAIM-147B Air-to-Air Missile | TURDEF

During the biennial Exercise Rim of the Pacific RIMPAC 2024, a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet was spotted with the new XAIM-147B long-range air-to-air missile.

turdef.com

 

[Strong AI]

Proving itself with its operational successes #HGK84 is in the field with its new capabilities!

The new generation guidance kit hit the target accurately in the firing test. It is now much more effective against operational conditions.

Mass production of domestic and national #HGK84 continues in line with the needs of the Turkish Armed Forces.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1809506524152103423

 

[I_Love_F16]

It seems to be possible to go with Siper Product-2 a similar Way like with the XAIM-147b. These long-range BVR Missiles have the Capabillity to counter enemy high Value Assests like AWACS, MPA and Tankers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1809295348268998663

U.S. Navy Unveils XAIM-147B Air-to-Air Missile | TURDEF

During the biennial Exercise Rim of the Pacific RIMPAC 2024, a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet was spotted with the new XAIM-147B long-range air-to-air missile.

turdef.com

Hehe, it reminds me the good old Phoenix missile.

 

[Strong AI]

GÖZDE Guidance Kit Firing Test

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1809878785182892145

 

[BaburKhan]

ÇAKIR Cruise Missile Enters Serial Production | TURDEF

According to Spain-based news site Defensa, ROKETSAN’s ÇAKIR compact cruise missile for various platforms has entered serial production.

turdef.com

 

[valarmogu]

Roketsan started mass production of the Çakır cruise missile.

Roketsan's Cruise Missile ÇAKIR, which can be launched from land, naval and, air platforms, is set to become a new force multiplier for armed forces with its state-of-the-art features and effective warhead.

Roketsan’s new Cruise Missile – can be launched from fixed and rotary-wing aircraft, Assault Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (AUAVs)/UCAVs, AUSVs, tactical wheeled vehicles and naval platforms, and offers operational versatility against land and surface targets. With a range of over 150 kilometers, ÇAKIR's targets include surface targets, land and surface targets close to shore, strategic land targets, field targets and, caves.

ROKETSAN ; ÇAKIR Seyir Füzesi İçin Seri Üretime Başladı! - ULU Savunma

ROKETSAN tarafından çeşitli platformlar için geliştirilen ÇAKIR seyir füzesinin seri üretimine başlandı...

www.ulusavunma.com

 

[BaburKhan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810989154949370367

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810989154949370367

are we sure thats bora and not tayfun?

 

[uçuyorum]

are we sure thats bora and not tayfun?

Can't sell tayfun, at least not publicly without risking sanctions

 

[Afif]

Can't sell tayfun, at least not publicly without risking sanctions

There is no sanction involed here.

 

[uçuyorum]

There is no sanction involed here.

"Missile technology control regime"

 

[Afif]

"Missile technology control regime"

It's non-binding. Look it up. No sanction involved here.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

There is no sanction involed here.

U cant export 300+ km missiles because Turkiye is part of (MTCR) regime

 

[uçuyorum]

U cant export 300+ km missiles because Turkiye is part of (MTCR) regime

That's also the reason a lot of our equipment is capped at ranges like 280km.
Khan(280km) is the export version of Bora, Som J is also limited to 275km

 

[Afif]

The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.

https://www.state.gov/remarks-and-releases-bureau-of-international-security-and-nonproliferation/missile-technology-control-regime-mtcr-frequently-asked-questions/

 

[TheInsider]

The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.

https://www.state.gov/remarks-and-releases-bureau-of-international-security-and-nonproliferation/missile-technology-control-regime-mtcr-frequently-asked-questions/

It is non-binding for the US, but it might be binding for us depending on the situation. We don't want to risk getting into trouble so we limit the range of our missiles to 300 km for export versions.

 

[Huelague]

U cant export 300+ km missiles because Turkiye is part of (MTCR) regime

Again, no one can sanction Turkey about that.