TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[UkroTurk]

I had no idea that a Turk came up with this idea. I wonder if the Turkish government is working on something similar; it will be a shame if the US adopts it but not Turkey.

In the other forum, 10 Years ago we already had shared this opinion before he proposed. Kinda Poormens B1lancers.

Personally me shared boeing747 cruise missile launcher.

There was a beloved " Hurşid "guy if someone remembers

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

I am not aware of a same concept in development in Turkiye.

Well, it is known that TSK doesn't like to be an innovator or the "first to". While there are bad sides of this there is also a logical explanation and this is the already low defence budget.

Turkiye doesn't have the almost unlimited budget the US haves and this is why every development and acquisition is planned very specifically without much room for experimenting and especially taking in account that we should play with expensive cruise missiles, cargo planes and release systems... I don't see this happening anytime soon .

Also there is something in this concept that is not compatible with the way the Turkish Air Forces operate. We already have extremely overstretched and aging cargo fleet and I am not sure if we have the luxury to sacrifice logistics capacity in order to use a cargo plane in this specific role. This is why we bid on higher count of unmanned platforms (unmanned) that will be able to fire such weapons from standoff ranges.

For a Regional Strike Capabillity, Cruise Missiles and Hypersonic Cruise Missiles can be deployed on Trucks, without scarificing Airlift Capabillity. Not to forget on Surface Ships and Submarines.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

It seems to be possible to go with Siper Product-2 a similar Way like with the XAIM-147b. These long-range BVR Missiles have the Capabillity to counter enemy high Value Assests like AWACS, MPA and Tankers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1809295348268998663

U.S. Navy Unveils XAIM-147B Air-to-Air Missile | TURDEF

During the biennial Exercise Rim of the Pacific RIMPAC 2024, a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet was spotted with the new XAIM-147B long-range air-to-air missile.

turdef.com

 

[I_Love_F16]

It seems to be possible to go with Siper Product-2 a similar Way like with the XAIM-147b. These long-range BVR Missiles have the Capabillity to counter enemy high Value Assests like AWACS, MPA and Tankers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1809295348268998663

U.S. Navy Unveils XAIM-147B Air-to-Air Missile | TURDEF

During the biennial Exercise Rim of the Pacific RIMPAC 2024, a U.S. Navy F/A-18 Super Hornet was spotted with the new XAIM-147B long-range air-to-air missile.

turdef.com

Hehe, it reminds me the good old Phoenix missile.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

ÇAKIR Cruise Missile Enters Serial Production | TURDEF

According to Spain-based news site Defensa, ROKETSAN’s ÇAKIR compact cruise missile for various platforms has entered serial production.

turdef.com

 

[valarmogu]

Roketsan started mass production of the Çakır cruise missile.

Roketsan's Cruise Missile ÇAKIR, which can be launched from land, naval and, air platforms, is set to become a new force multiplier for armed forces with its state-of-the-art features and effective warhead.

Roketsan’s new Cruise Missile – can be launched from fixed and rotary-wing aircraft, Assault Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (AUAVs)/UCAVs, AUSVs, tactical wheeled vehicles and naval platforms, and offers operational versatility against land and surface targets. With a range of over 150 kilometers, ÇAKIR's targets include surface targets, land and surface targets close to shore, strategic land targets, field targets and, caves.

ROKETSAN ÇAKIR Seyir Füzesi İçin Seri Üretime Başladı! - ULU Savunma

ROKETSAN tarafından çeşitli platformlar için geliştirilen ÇAKIR seyir füzesinin seri üretimine başlandı...

www.ulusavunma.com

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810989154949370367

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1810989154949370367

are we sure thats bora and not tayfun?

 

[uçuyorum]

are we sure thats bora and not tayfun?

Can't sell tayfun, at least not publicly without risking sanctions

 

[Afif]

Can't sell tayfun, at least not publicly without risking sanctions

There is no sanction involed here.

 

[uçuyorum]

There is no sanction involed here.

"Missile technology control regime"

 

[Afif]

"Missile technology control regime"

It's non-binding. Look it up. No sanction involved here.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

There is no sanction involed here.

U cant export 300+ km missiles because Turkiye is part of (MTCR) regime

 

[uçuyorum]

U cant export 300+ km missiles because Turkiye is part of (MTCR) regime

That's also the reason a lot of our equipment is capped at ranges like 280km.
Khan(280km) is the export version of Bora, Som J is also limited to 275km

 

[Afif]

The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.

https://www.state.gov/remarks-and-releases-bureau-of-international-security-and-nonproliferation/missile-technology-control-regime-mtcr-frequently-asked-questions/

 

[TheInsider]

The MTCR is not a treaty and does not impose any legally binding obligations on Partners (members). Rather, it is an informal political understanding among states that seek to limit the proliferation of missiles and missile technology.

https://www.state.gov/remarks-and-releases-bureau-of-international-security-and-nonproliferation/missile-technology-control-regime-mtcr-frequently-asked-questions/

It is non-binding for the US, but it might be binding for us depending on the situation. We don't want to risk getting into trouble so we limit the range of our missiles to 300 km for export versions.

 

[Huelague]

U cant export 300+ km missiles because Turkiye is part of (MTCR) regime

Again, no one can sanction Turkey about that.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Again, no one can sanction Turkey about that.

No one should kick Türkiye out of f35 program!
No one should stop delivery of paid planes!

 

[Kartal1]

Guys, as most of you probably know I am closely observing the military operations of TSK in Iraq. Basically there is a very special situation there which is preventing our rapid advance and costs us lives and time. The special situation we are in is caused by the kilometers long, reinforced, specially built, technologically advanced tunnel networks. With the depth in which we are operating on Iraqi territory the tunnels become more and more advanced. Currently we are busy with some of these tunnels, tried countless solutions including airstrikes, large amounts of explosives detonated at the entry points, drilling trough the rocks so we can place explosives in vulnerable locations inside the tunnels, UGVs, whatever may come to your mind. The problem is that inside these tunnels there are probably enough supplies for the terrorists so they can last for years. For example are waiting for terrorists to come out of the Sida tunnel network for 1.5 years while they are fully encircled. The tunnels are also built in such a way that there are specially designed pressure rooms and ventilation holes that helps with the pressure that is caused by these explosions and our efforts are not effective so far.

The worst thing is that after we are done with the current place of our operations there is a terrorist camp called Gara which will have to be cleaned too and the situation there is even worst. This is the current center of PKK's operations from almost every point. Gara is a fortress!

Due to these challenges I've come to the conclusion that our defence industry should develop a modern, smart munition with similar or comparable performance to the notorious MOAB bomb. We are busy with a couple of tunnels for some years now and couldn't find a solution while this is only the trailer of what Gara may look like. I think a MOAB equivalent will come extremely handy in our fight against terrorism abroad. With the help of it we may have the chance to obliterate the PKK's infrastructure and fighting force not only in Zap, Metina and Hakurk where we are currently conducting combat operations, but also in Gara, Sinjar and Qandil.

We saw the performance MOAB showed against IS tunnel networks in Afghanistan. I think it was a good example of the potential this munition carries.

What do you guys think about this? What do you think are the challenges in front of us for developing a munition with a similar power? Is there a munition with comparable devastating effects in our inventory which we can guide precisely enough so it can strike a tunnel entry point and cause the tunnel to collapse?

*We've tried with every munition that can be dropped by an F-16 and is in our inventory.

 

[Aqerdf]

Yep.

We have A400s, FOAB would be safer approach.

If we talking about deep big and secure mountain networks we also need it's penetrator brother too.

But in theory for encircled tunnels, nothing stops us from stockpiling tens of ton of ammonium nitrate with TNT on those entrances. It would be same thing with air-dropped MOAB/FOAB.

*If the area is cleaned, and together with air-bombs this also should be tried maybe.