Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

[SilverMachine]

I, too, have difficulty telling the difference between a soccer riot and widespread armed conflict.

Hey man, claim your sports brawl as a victory. You get the bragging rights over the hooligans at a kid's game, they get the victory in the war. Sounds like a good deal for them.

As an added punctuation: Hezbollah's done with and you damn well know it.

 

[Huelague]

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[500]

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Israel is a genocidal state:

 

[SilverMachine]

Heh. Yeah, I've always said considering Gaza's constant population increase over the decades, if Israel's playbook here is "genocide" then they're curiously fucking incompetent at genocide. Nobody would accuse them of being "incompetent" at anything else, not really what they're known for over there.

 

[Rooxbar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856162015187718165

 

[SilverMachine]

Okay. Not the majority of American voters though, going by the election.

Including, you know, the Michigan Palestinians. They know Trump'll be more bullish on Gaza, more lenient with Netanyahu, and still their protest vote was filed.

 

[Huelague]

Israel is a genocidal state:

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Can you tell me the definition of Genocid?

 

[Huelague]

Heh. Yeah, I've always said considering Gaza's constant population increase over the decades, if Israel's playbook here is "genocide" then they're curiously fucking incompetent at genocide. Nobody would accuse them of being "incompetent" at anything else, not really what they're known for over there.

They are not good and competent as NAZIs, right.

 

[SilverMachine]

...Which would be the point. If they were Nazis, if they were committing a genocide, surely Gaza's population wouldn't have increased many times over since the 90s.

If the Israelis wanted them gone, they're plenty capable of doing it. They haven't. Ruh roh, logic problem blowing up in the Arab's faces again. Quit killing Jews, switch to a non-Hamas government, they'll be left to their own devices to thrive however they want. The blockade can be lifted - that's on them, whether they want a future, or whether they want to fight a losing fight.

 

[Huelague]

...Which would be the point. If they were Nazis, if they were committing a genocide, surely Gaza's population wouldn't have increased many times over since the 90s.

If the Israelis wanted them gone, they're plenty capable of doing it. They haven't. Ruh roh, logic problem blowing up in the Arab's faces again. Quit killing Jews, switch to a non-Hamas government, they'll be left to their own devices to thrive however they want. The blockade can be lifted - that's on them, whether they want a future, or whether they want to fight a losing fight.

Same question to you, how many people are needed to kill, before we can call it a Genocide? It seems to you, the number of death in Gaza is not high enough.

 

[SilverMachine]

Words have meanings. Genocide doesn't simply mean a lot of people dying in a war. You know this.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk has stated that:

Every war is no more than murder if it is not for the sake of defense of one’s homeland.

That sentence should be in our minds before we glorify killing anybody, be it in all out war or not.

Killing of innocents, children and civilians is Infact, even more heinous a crime than ever. And it should be the number one prerequisite of all fighting sides in any conflict to be refrained from.

Meaning of Genocide:

The deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.
"a campaign of genocide"

This explanation describes indiscriminate killing and is the worst face of any conflict.

Once again I am asking our members to show restraint in their wording and support of one side or another.

 

[Scott Summers]

The major operations carried out by the Palestinian resistance groups on Tuesday, November 12, are as follows:

Al-Qassam Brigades’ operations:

• An Israeli military quadcopter drone was seized during an intelligence mission in the middle of Jabalia camp in the northern Gaza Strip.
• Shelling gatherings of Israeli forces at the “Netzarim” axis, in coordination with the Martyr Omar al-Qasim Forces, using mortar shells and 107mm rockets.
• Engaged in clashes with Israeli forces on the axis of invasion east of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.
• Targeted a gathering of Israeli forces stationed in a house northwest of Gaza City with an anti-personnel shell.
• Targeted an Israeli military D9 bulldozer with a Yassin 105 shell near Shadia Abu Ghazaleh school west of Jabalia camp in the northern Gaza Strip.
• Targeted an Israeli military Merkava tank with a "Yassin 105" shell, then boarded it, killed its crew, and seized a machine gun from it near the Al-Fakhoura school, west of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.
• Targeted an Israeli military force of 7 soldiers inside a house with a TBG anti-fortification shell and eliminated them from point-blank distance with machine guns near the "Determined Ones" Mosque in Beit Lahia, northern Gaza Strip.
• Targeted an Israeli military force that had taken refuge inside a house with an anti-personnel shell in the Al-Qasasib neighborhood in Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.
• In a complex operation, sniped an Israeli soldier and targeted an infantry patrol with two anti-personnel grenades in the city of Jabalia, northern Gaza Strip.
• Targeted and destroyed an Israeli military "Merkava" tank with a guerilla action device and a "D9" military bulldozer with a tandem shell around Al-Yassin Mosque in the Tel Al-Zaatar neighborhood, northern Gaza Strip.
• Blew up a house with a highly explosive device after a group of Israeli soldiers entered it in the Ard Suleiman area in the Qasasib neighborhood of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.

Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades’ operations:

• Targeted the command, control and positioning headquarters of the Israeli military in the so-called "Netzarim" axis.
• Engaged in fierce clashes with Israeli forces storming the town of Yamoun, west of Jenin, occupied West Bank, using machine guns and explosive devices.
• Targeted a convoy of Israeli military vehicles and soldiers with regular mortar shells east of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza Strip.

Al-Quds Brigades’ operations:

• We bombed the settlements of the Gaza envelope with a rocket barrage.
• In a joint operation with the Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces, targeted the Israeli military forces at the Rashid site on the "Netzarim" axis with heavy caliber mortar shells.
• Targeted and destroyed an Israeli military bulldozer of the type "D9" with a tandem shell in Al-Ajarmah Street in the middle of Jabalia camp, northern Gaza.

Mujahideen Brigades’ operations:

• Targeted the command and control headquarters of the Israeli military in the so-called “Netzarim” axis with Haseb-111 rockets.

Martyr Omar Al-Qasim Forces’ operations:

• In a joint operation with the Al-Quds Brigades, bombed a gathering of Israeli soldiers at the Rashid site on the so-called "Netzarim" axis with mortar shells.

 

[RMZN]

Israel is a genocidal state:

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The UN definition of Genocide:

"The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention: Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group"

Israel checks all the boxes.

Not only does you graph have no source, you fail to understand that Genocide is a legal Term. Srebrenica was ruled to be a Genocide, despite "only" 8000 Muslim Bosniaks being killed. The number of death dont matter as much as genocidal intend does. And Israeli officials showcase plenty. Just like the Serbs once did.

 

[Scott Summers]

Same question to you, how many people are needed to kill, before we can call it a Genocide? It seems to you, the number of death in Gaza is not high enough.

Offcourse there is no genocide. There is only genocide when you kill people from the same tribe as @500 and @SilverMachine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856660621753724970

 

[Scott Summers]

They are not good and competent as NAZIs, right.

But Hamas is very good in destroying Israeli armour.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856358794751815757

 

[RMZN]

...Which would be the point. If they were Nazis, if they were committing a genocide, surely Gaza's population wouldn't have increased many times over since the 90s.

If the Israelis wanted them gone, they're plenty capable of doing it. They haven't. Ruh roh, logic problem blowing up in the Arab's faces again. Quit killing Jews, switch to a non-Hamas government, they'll be left to their own devices to thrive however they want. The blockade can be lifted - that's on them, whether they want a future, or whether they want to fight a losing fight.

Palestinians went from making up 40% of Israels population down to 20%. Your logic follows the line of Germans counting the number of jews they put into concentration camps and going "Hey look, the number keeps going up so we arent actually killing anyone".

Israel has been planning on ethnically cleansing the Palestinian population before Hamas or even the Holocaust ever existed/happened. So once again your argument is void of any cohesive logic.

Zionists like Vladimir Jabotinsky themselves were pretty open about such realities:

"There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised."

Meanwhile Zionists in our day and age continue to express their Genocidal Intentions openly:

"Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich told Israel's Army Radio on Sunday that if Israel does the right thing, there will be an exodus of Palestinians "and we will live in the Gaza Strip."

"We will not allow a situation in which two million people live there. If there are 100,000 to 200,000 Arabs living in Gaza, the discussion about the day after will be completely different"

 

[Scott Summers]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1856017291000910023

 

[SilverMachine]

Yasar, if you don't think Israelis are fighting "for the defence of their homeland", I don't really know what you tell you. That's a lost cause for anyone thinking otherwise.

RMZN, none of that applies when it's in retaliation to an attack. And to reiterate, Gazans have skyrocketed in population even since the blockade. I'd like you to subtantiate this intent to "prevent births", because it sure-as-shit doesn't look that way from the lay of the land on the ground, factually. The only "forcible transferring" has been under wartime conditions when clearing areas, or with the children of parents who've killed Israelis. Wah wah, try again, deflating slide-whistle sound.

As far as the 40% of Arabs within Israel being down to 20% - first of all you're going to have to cite/source that too, and secondly, if true, that's 20% more Arabs than there are Jews permitted to live & breathe under Hamas or Hezbollah territory. Guess the Israelis keep the moral high ground there, eh? 'Cause we're intellectually-consistent people here and all. 20% beats 0%.

"Another", Scott? That's, what, 5 tanks by now? 6? Good luck man, few thousand more to go, I'm sure the remaining limping & scattered remains of Hamas can bring down the rest before they're annihilated the rest of the way. Heh.

 

[RMZN]

Yasar, if you don't think Israelis are fighting "for the defence of their homeland", I don't really know what you tell you. That's a lost cause for anyone thinking otherwise.

RMZN, none of that applies when it's in retaliation to an attack. And to reiterate, Gazans have skyrocketed in number even since the blockade. I'd like you to subtantiate this intent to "prevent births", because it sure-as-shit doesn't look that way from the lay of the land on the ground, factually. The only "forcible transferring" has been under wartime conditions when clearing areas, or with the children of parents who've killed Israelis. Wah wah, try again, deflating slide-whistle sound.

As far as the 40% of Arabs within Israel being down to 20% - first of all you're going to have to cite/source that too, and secondly, that's 20% more Arabs than there are Jews permitted to live & breathe under Hamas or Hezbollah territory. Guess the Israelis keep the moral high ground there, eh? 'Cause we're intellectually-consistent people here and all.

"Another", Scott? That's, what, 5 tanks by now? 6? Good luck man, few thousand more to go, I'm sure the remaining limping & scattered remains of Hamas can bring down the rest before they're annihilated the rest of the way. Heh.

"none of that applies when it's in retaliation to an attack." Except it does. And If you dont think so you would also have to agree to the fact that Hamas has the right to kill every single Israeli in Israel in an act of self defense. After all they would just be "retaliating", right?

"Israel’s Minister for the Advancement of the Status of Women, stated that: “All of Gaza’s infrastructures must be destroyed to its foundation and their electricity cut off immediately. The war is not against Hamas but against the state of Gaza” "

https://x.com/bezalelsm/status/1726198721946480911

"It is an entire nation out there that is responsible,” Herzog said at a press conference on Friday. “It is not true this rhetoric about civilians not being aware, not involved. It’s absolutely not true."

https://www.scribd.com/document/681086738/Israeli-Intelligence-Ministry-Policy-Paper-on-Gaza-s-Civilian-Population-October-2023

"5.The three options under examination are
Option A: The population remaining in Gaza and the import of PalestinianAuthority (PA) rule.
Option B: The population remaining in Gaza along with the emergence of alocal Arab authority.
Option C: The evacuation of the civilian population from Gaza to Sinai. (a.k.a textbook ethnic cleansing)

6.From an in-depth look at the options, the following insights can be derived

Option C - The option that will yield positive, long-term strategic outcomes for Israel, and is an executable option. It requires determination from the political echelon in the face of international pressure, with an emphasis on harnessing the support of the United States and additional pro-Israeli countries for the endeavor"

"We are putting a complete siege on Gaza … No electricity, no food, no water, no gas – it’s all closed,” Gallant said in a video statement."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/9/israel-announces-total-blockade-on-gaza

"More children have been killed in just over three weeks in Gaza than in all of the world’s conflicts combined in each of the past three years, according to the global charity Save the Children. For example, it said, 2,985 children were killed across two dozen war zones throughout all of last year."

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-11-1-2023-children-killed-4a352398b32887e60a658e0270f0a021

"Children younger than 18 years, women aged 18–59 years, and both men and women aged 60 years or older (groups that probably include few combatants) constituted 68·1% of analysable deaths"

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02640-5/fulltext






"that's 20% more Arabs than there are Jews permitted to live & breathe under Hamas or Hezbollah territory"
It was literally the Israeli government which forcibly removed illegal Israeli settlers from Gaza in 2005 lmfao.


"Approximately 1.8 million Palestinians form around 20.8 per cent of Israel’s population"