TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[what]

Might be a stupid question but does the screen have nighttime mode?

 

[TR_123456]

Might be a stupid question but does the screen have nighttime mode?

Depends on the helmet,on what features it has.
Night vision and other feature on Helmet like the F-35 has,you might not need any screen at all.

 

[Strong AI]

Might be a stupid question but does the screen have nighttime mode?

"Brightness Control
Via RS-422 (Analog optional)"

https://www.stgm.com.tr/en/lad-208-2/#controls-2

On MFDs you can already change between DAY and NIGHT.

 

[Strong AI]

To conduct different tests simultaneously, six KAAN prototypes will be produced. This will allow us to add new functions and make the process faster. All of them will use domestic engines. Although Hürjet is a training aircraft, it can transform into a fighter jet for many different missions.

Looking at the example of the F-35 in the 5th generation aircraft, they made 14 prototypes and tested for thousands of hours. They still have unresolved issues, such as a target miss on its 25-meter cannon. With the KAAN prototype, we will see many more tests by 2028, right?

"Actually, to accelerate the process, we wanted to increase the number of prototypes. We will make six KAANs, to begin with. These will be test KAANs, so we can carry out different tests simultaneously. Whatever we are developing, our past experiences are extremely valuable. How we can add new functions, how we can make things faster and more economical, this is always on our agenda. One of our major advantages is our heroic army, our users in the field. We work very harmoniously and together with them. We always make sure that the systems they need are operated and integrated with engineering power. We then get their feedback. We finalize the design quickly and move on. We conducted our first flights with KAAN. The first flight was in February of this year. Then, the second flight was made. After these flights, we quickly obtained authorization from the Defense Industry Executive Board to produce six more at TUSAŞ and start the program quickly to conduct further test flights. The production processes are ongoing. I believe that we will go through international processes much faster and more economically for different products or platforms. Therefore, by the end of 2028, when we deliver the first products, God willing, we have a plan. What will the total cost be? What will be the cost of one aircraft? How many will we produce and sell? To whom will we export? Who will we partner with for the development of the next-generation aircraft? These processes are ongoing. While developing these, we must already start working on the 6th generation aircraft concept. On one hand, what are the required hardware, software, and algorithms to be developed during these tests for manned and unmanned fighter jets and other unmanned platforms? We must do this collectively. With six prototypes, God willing, we will continue with serial production."

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[Saithan]

Domestic engine ? I think they're just going to make 6 prototype to speed up preparedness and to easier hand it over to TuAF when the time comes, so instead of waiting they can finish and test phases that already passed in previous prototypes.

 

[hugh]

To conduct different tests simultaneously, six KAAN prototypes will be produced. This will allow us to add new functions and make the process faster. All of them will use domestic engines.

He must have misspoken

 

[Strong AI]

Domestic engine ? I think they're just going to make 6 prototype to speed up preparedness and to easier hand it over to TuAF when the time comes, so instead of waiting they can finish and test phases that already passed in previous prototypes.

He must have misspoken

I think that first sentence comes from the interviewer, because there is no "".

 

[Sanchez]

I think that first sentence comes from the interviewer, because there is no "".

But it's in italics, weirdly. Maybe F110 to be built locally.

 

[KAAN]

Even though the engine project is not yet finalized and no one seems to have a clear idea about it, I would like to ask something I don’t fully understand.

Regarding the KAAN’s engine, the biggest handicap of the project:

If we assume this engine will enter service around 2030, its contemporaries will utilize next-generation technologies such as Adaptive Cycle Engines (ACE) and Ceramic Matrix Composites (CMC).

Yes, in an environment where we still consider the engine a handicap, expecting these technologies not to be included in the engine may seem acceptable or even reasonable.

But here’s the question question and the things that made me ask;

1. Temel Kotil repeatedly stated that the engine would revolutionize ceramic usage.

2. In January, TEI launched projects on CMC (SİCİM, ÖTEKTİK).

3. The new General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu mentioned in his first interview that they were working on an engine suitable for both 5th and 6th generation fighter jets, subtly hinting at a potential delay.

4. In a recent interview with TEI General Manager Mahmut Akşit, he was asked about TVC, and it was stated that such technologies could be added to the aircraft/engine over time.

Now, considering the 6th-generation engine concept in parallel with the ever-growing ambitions of the Turkish Air Force:

Could the country’s ultimate milestone engine utilize TEI’s existing R&D projects ? Can critical engine components like these be updated in future blocks?

Or perhaps the TF35K is being designed with CMC from the outset?

Beyond this, it’s already impossible to infer anything about ACE except for Demiroğlu’s indirect 6th-generation statement.

I know it's extremely speculative but I can't figure out what they're planning based on the interviews and the new R&D projects.

 

[uçuyorum]

Even though the engine project is not yet finalized and no one seems to have a clear idea about it, I would like to ask something I don’t fully understand.

Regarding the KAAN’s engine, the biggest handicap of the project:

If we assume this engine will enter service around 2030, its contemporaries will utilize next-generation technologies such as Adaptive Cycle Engines (ACE) and Ceramic Matrix Composites (CMC).

Yes, in an environment where we still consider the engine a handicap, expecting these technologies not to be included in the engine may seem acceptable or even reasonable.

But here’s the question question and the things that made me ask;

1. Temel Kotil repeatedly stated that the engine would revolutionize ceramic usage.

2. In January, TEI launched projects on CMC (SİCİM, ÖTEKTİK).

3. The new General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu mentioned in his first interview that they were working on an engine suitable for both 5th and 6th generation fighter jets, subtly hinting at a potential delay.

4. In a recent interview with TEI General Manager Mahmut Akşit, he was asked about TVC, and it was stated that such technologies could be added to the aircraft/engine over time.

Now, considering the 6th-generation engine concept in parallel with the ever-growing ambitions of the Turkish Air Force:

Could the country’s ultimate milestone engine utilize TEI’s existing R&D projects ? Can critical engine components like these be updated in future blocks?

Or perhaps the TF35K is being designed with CMC from the outset?

Beyond this, it’s already impossible to infer anything about ACE except for Demiroğlu’s indirect 6th-generation statement.

I know it's extremely speculative but I can't figure out what they're planning based on the interviews and the new R&D projects.

Turkey by nature of it geography is closer to conflict zones, but we also have tankers etc. (That will need renewal in near future). A slightly less efficient engine for KAAN does not make that much of a difference for us. America needs to have a stealth fighter with enough range to take off from a carrier that is far enough from china and maybe russia mainland so that hypersonic missiles and chinese fighters won't hit the carriers like sitting ducks. This puts strict requirements for mission radius, F35C does not meet that criteria afaik. On the other hand, our air forces in 80s refused navy's requesy for a carrier because the country itself is like a giant aircraft carrier with access to a large area.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Even though the engine project is not yet finalized and no one seems to have a clear idea about it, I would like to ask something I don’t fully understand.

Regarding the KAAN’s engine, the biggest handicap of the project:

If we assume this engine will enter service around 2030, its contemporaries will utilize next-generation technologies such as Adaptive Cycle Engines (ACE) and Ceramic Matrix Composites (CMC).

Yes, in an environment where we still consider the engine a handicap, expecting these technologies not to be included in the engine may seem acceptable or even reasonable.

But here’s the question question and the things that made me ask;

1. Temel Kotil repeatedly stated that the engine would revolutionize ceramic usage.

2. In January, TEI launched projects on CMC (SİCİM, ÖTEKTİK).

3. The new General Manager Mehmet Demiroğlu mentioned in his first interview that they were working on an engine suitable for both 5th and 6th generation fighter jets, subtly hinting at a potential delay.

4. In a recent interview with TEI General Manager Mahmut Akşit, he was asked about TVC, and it was stated that such technologies could be added to the aircraft/engine over time.

Now, considering the 6th-generation engine concept in parallel with the ever-growing ambitions of the Turkish Air Force:

Could the country’s ultimate milestone engine utilize TEI’s existing R&D projects ? Can critical engine components like these be updated in future blocks?

Or perhaps the TF35K is being designed with CMC from the outset?

Beyond this, it’s already impossible to infer anything about ACE except for Demiroğlu’s indirect 6th-generation statement.

I know it's extremely speculative but I can't figure out what they're planning based on the interviews and the new R&D projects.

When we decided to manufacture a gas turbine engine for our helicopters we did not go the directionally solidified turbine blades route. But went for the ultimate at the time, which was single crystal.

If you check the TF6000 engine details, again, we have utilised friction welded fan and compressor blades to get optimum efficiency from the engine.

Eutectic Ceramic Composite materials used in turbine blades have allowed for up to temperatures of 1700 degrees Celsius to be reached and does not require thermal and environmental barrier coatings, whilst imparting very good creep resistance and reliability with fracture toughness, as well as flexural and tensile strength are maintained up to right below the melting point temperature of the materials.
Having set up development programmes for all these materials in house, it is only logical to expect TEI to utilise these technologies somewhere along the way. But apart from the CMC materials being used in hot sections of engines like T901, XA100, LEAP GE9X , which is still a fairly new technology that is being adapted in to turbine engines, the others are still in development stages. But TEI, with close connection to GE, should be able to utilise this tech to our domestic engines. But when that can be is a question only TEI can answer.

Adaptive Cycle engines are still in development stage. The only known working example is the GE’s XA100 engine. This engine gives you best of both worlds.
As you would know, a jet engine is most efficient in turbofan mode at lower altitude where air is denser. But loses efficiency at higher altitudes, which is the domain of turbojets. Adaptive Cycle system, seamlessly crosses from turbofan to turbojet and vice versa, as the plane changes altitude.
There is even a possibility to change from turbojet to ramjet mode using the same adaptive system, giving superior speed characteristics to the plane.

But the recent working trial of CRDE - Continuously Rotatating Detonation Engine system GE has showcased is the way forward of ultimate jet propulsion. A plane propelled by such an engine will theoretically fly in and outside of atmosphere if oxygen is stored on the plane like the fuel. (Pls see below post)

Propulsion Systems

There is still a long way to go with this engine. We have only managed to run it for 10seconds. It needs to operate flawlessly before we can say we have “developed“ it. Nevertheless, what Tubitak has achieved is exemplary. Great step towards developing this engine. As conventional air breathing...

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[Lool]

The russians have begun testing a new nozzle system for the SU-57 to be just like the raptor
I hope the turks eventually do the same to KAAN

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866494624447262915

 

[uçuyorum]

The russians have begun testing a new nozzle system for the SU-57 to be just lioe the raptor
I hope the turks eventually do the same to KAAN

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866494624447262915

Doesnt align with body? Because they figured it will hurt the tail due to high heat and decided to install it sideways?

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Pure sound of Kaan's afterburner

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1867102725646979555

 

[hugh]

Pure sound of Kaan's afterburner

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1867102725646979555

they should've used a high SPL microphone to record it. the noise is so loud that it oversaturates the sensor of the microphone and cause clipping. This sounds more like a whitenoise. Can't really appreciate the power with this setting.

 

[Radonsider]

Doesnt align with body? Because they figured it will hurt the tail due to high heat and decided to install it sideways?

Well, it isn't a 2D nozzle, it is a 3D one and is placed that way to avoid burning down the plane

 

[Ripley]

they should've used a high SPL microphone to record it. the noise is so loud that it oversaturates the sensor of the microphone and cause clipping. This sounds more like a whitenoise. Can't really appreciate the power with this setting.

Honestly, I enjoyed it immensely.
They finally listened to aviation enthusiasts for a change. They fed the unfiltered raw engine roar and removed their shitty music library.

 

[UcanTost]

This jet is going to be underpowered so terribly.. what a shame. The new engines won't fix this either.. It's basically twin engine and larger than f-22 but slower, weaker, lighter and multirole to be like f-35 because they won't be able to make a single good engine. Super inefficient. I am starting to consider whether they want to abandon it but kept on working on it for political reasons(votes or s400 fiasco). Years have been past and still absolutely zero news about it's engines so far. No one is building a 30k+ dry trust engines in the world.

As a kid I grew up dreaming about this plane before it was even announced to the public but as you get older and understand Turkey, you know it was all just a dream. Let's fund the Diyanet even more.

 

[2033]

This jet is going to be underpowered so terribly.. what a shame. The new engines won't fix this either.. It's basically twin engine and larger than f-22 but slower, weaker, lighter and multirole to be like f-35 because they won't be able to make a single good engine. Super inefficient. I am starting to consider whether they want to abandon it but kept on working on it for political reasons(votes or s400 fiasco). Years have been past and still absolutely zero news about it's engines so far. No one is building a 30k+ dry trust engines in the world.

As a kid I grew up dreaming about this plane before it was even announced to the public but as you get older and understand Turkey, you know it was all just a dream. Let's fund the Diyanet even more.

Which project has ever failed before for you to come to this conclusion?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

This jet is going to be underpowered so terribly.. what a shame. The new engines won't fix this either.. It's basically twin engine and larger than f-22 but slower, weaker, lighter and multirole to be like f-35 because they won't be able to make a single good engine. Super inefficient. I am starting to consider whether they want to abandon it but kept on working on it for political reasons(votes or s400 fiasco). Years have been past and still absolutely zero news about it's engines so far. No one is building a 30k+ dry trust engines in the world.

As a kid I grew up dreaming about this plane before it was even announced to the public but as you get older and understand Turkey, you know it was all just a dream. Let's fund the Diyanet even more.

What do you expect? That we build the best fighter in the world? You know that our budget is between 30-40 billion US dollars. Not counting the SSB funds, so what do you expect? That we quickly develop an F-22 Raptor 2.0 out of thin air? TAI KAAN is the first truly professional fighter aircraft that we are developing and manufacturing. TAI has never claimed that KAAN will be better than F-22/F-35.
If we are lucky, it will reach approximately the performance of Rafaele, Eurofighter Tranche 3/4 or F-15 Super Eagle II plus the bounces of stealth and that is totally enough for Turkey.
Turkey will not go to war against the USA, Russia or China.

USA 800-900 billion USD military budget
China 300 billion USD military budget
Russia 120 billion USD military budget

The world is not amazed because we are developing the best Gen 5 fighter, but because we are developing something useful with more modest means that makes sense.
Moreover, KAAN is not the end of Turkey's aircraft development, it is a learning process and an evolution through better and better procedures and combat enhancements that improve the quality of the aircraft itself.