TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Huelague]

BIGG NEWSS

President Erdoğan: We decided to both strengthen our 800 km-range missile stock and accelerate the missile development program with a range of over 2000 km+.

she said on live broadcast

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1876306916038873538

He said one more thing. Acceleration the range is not a problem anymore.

 

[Huelague]

Thats funny how houthis mastered 2000+km range hypersonic missiles while erdogan speaking about 2000km missiles since 2015 and still nothing .
Aslo Turkiye doesnt need only 500kg warhead BM that airforce or drones can undertake that role easy but Turkiye needs what S korea doing BM with range of 3000km and warhead of 8-10 TON .
Called EARTHQUAKE Ballistic missile that can destroy deep underground bases or surface area bases . Imagine what psychologic rape will do that missile at pkk-ypg .
Hyunmoo-5
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BULLSHIT!!

Houthi’s mastered a fack! It’ was Iran who „mastered“ something with Russian and Chinas help. Same goes for N.Korea. If we would put all our resources in developing a missile, we would reach 100.000 km range missile.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Thats funny how houthis mastered 2000+km range hypersonic missiles while erdogan speaking about 2000km missiles since 2015 and still nothing .

Houthis got it from Iran who has been working on rockets since the 80s. We were busy killing each other at the time.
Houthis are tough fighters but their know how is free Iranian components and tech.

Edit: Also our approach and processes are different than the ones of Iran and the region in general.
They may have advanced in rocketry but their tech know how is Chinese/North Korean and old Soviet tech. Their success rate is very limited nowadays.
They launched 3000+ rockets at Israel and they didn't hit shit. Several of them failed to launch and some detonated before even leaving their vessel.

 

[2033]

Thats funny how houthis mastered 2000+km range hypersonic missiles while erdogan speaking about 2000km missiles since 2015 and still nothing .
Aslo Turkiye doesnt need only 500kg warhead BM that airforce or drones can undertake that role easy but Turkiye needs what S korea doing BM with range of 3000km and warhead of 8-10 TON .
Called EARTHQUAKE Ballistic missile that can destroy deep underground bases or surface area bases . Imagine what psychologic rape will do that missile at pkk-ypg .
Hyunmoo-5
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Don't overestimate ballistic missiles. Thousands of ballistic missiles were used in Ukraine, but they were not effective. Ballistic missiles are expensive weapons, and they run out quickly. Long-range ones are much more expensive and are only worth if they have a nuclear warhead.

 

[Agha Sher]

Don't overestimate ballistic missiles. Thousands of ballistic missiles were used in Ukraine, but they were not effective. Ballistic missiles are expensive weapons, and they run out quickly. Long-range ones are much more expensive and are only worth if they have a nuclear warhead.

Even in the Israel-Iran conflict they clearly showed their limitation. Conventional air power is king

 

[uçuyorum]

Even in the Israel-Iran conflict they clearly showed their limitation. Conventional air power is king

Unless they have MIRV, then they make a very ctedible threat to modern air defenses at least.

 

[2033]

Unless they have MIRV, then they make a very ctedible threat to modern air defenses at least.

They only do damage, but they don't end the war. Only the first wave of attacks are carried out with ballistic missiles.

 

[Agha Sher]

They only do damage, but they don't end the war. Only the first wave of attacks are carried out with ballistic missiles.

And the level of damage is questionable. You wont be able to take out the enemy's aircraft in reinforced shelters. They damaged airport taxi and runways can be fixed in the matter of hours.

 

[Radonsider]

Don't overestimate ballistic missiles. Thousands of ballistic missiles were used in Ukraine, but they were not effective. Ballistic missiles are expensive weapons, and they run out quickly. Long-range ones are much more expensive and are only worth if they have a nuclear warhead.

They ran out? Where?

Ballistic missiles are a great asset for destroying and disabling critical infastrucure that are protected by AD systems

 

[dBSPL]

With so much importance being attached to the strategic strike capability, I wish Roketsan may suddenly show a naval type hypersonic missile for the MIDLAS developed over SRBM.

 

[Trakya_forever]

I think up to 800 Tayfun,
800+ Cenk
2000+ A new missile.

He didn't mention about Tayfun. More Cenk missiles and a new missile.

 

[Turkic]

I think up to 800 Tayfun,
800+ Cenk
2000+ A new missile.

He didn't mention about Tayfun. More Cenk missiles and a new missile.

Cenk is way bigger than Tayfun. It wouldn't make sense.

Edit: And it was told 1000 kms as Tayfun's next blocks goal if I don't recall wrong.

 

[dBSPL]

OK, it is most likely an MRBM, but let's add the note that RTE did not specify what kind of missile it was in his statement, only the range.

 

[Baklava Consumer]

They need to start working on IRBMs and ICBMs, also need to start working on nuclear weapons. Israel has a dagger pointed at Türkiye, and soon Iran will also get them.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I've always wondered why the Gökdogan has a much shorter range compared to the AIM 120 & Co as BVR Missile, and asked GPT chat what could be the reason for seeking higher speed and maneuverability at the expense of range in a BVR missile as 21st century BVR doctrine as interpreted by Turkey.


Answer:
Gökdoğan missile is conceptually more advanced and better suited for stealth-vs-stealth combat scenarios than traditional medium-range missiles. Its focus on speed (Mach 4+), agility, and optimized engagement ranges makes it a forward-thinking approach to modern air combat. Here’s why:

1. Gökdoğan's Advantages in Stealth-vs-Stealth Combat

Closer engagement is more realistic:

In stealth-vs-stealth scenarios, aircraft are likely to detect each other only at closer ranges (20-50 km) due to reduced radar cross-sections (RCS) and advanced countermeasures.

The Gökdoğan is specifically designed to excel at these ranges, where traditional BVR missiles like the AIM-120 may struggle to perform efficiently.

Higher kinetic energy from Mach 4+ speed:

Gökdoğan’s high speed ensures:

Shorter reaction times for the target.

Greater kinetic impact, which is crucial when engaging heavily maneuverable or resilient stealth aircraft.

Superior agility against evasive targets:

Stealth aircraft are often highly maneuverable to evade missiles. Gökdoğan’s thrust vector control and aerodynamic design ensure it can maintain high agility, even during the terminal phase, increasing the likelihood of a successful strike.

2. Gökdoğan as a Hybrid Between BVR and WVR Missiles

Optimized for short-to-medium ranges:

Unlike traditional BVR missiles (e.g., AIM-120 with 100-180 km range), Gökdoğan is tuned for flexible engagement ranges of 50-100 km, making it more practical for scenarios where stealth and countermeasures reduce detection ranges.

Enhanced performance in closer engagements:

While AIM-120 is optimized for long-range stability, Gökdoğan excels in closer-range dogfight-like conditions, with superior agility and precision. This makes it ideal for stealth-vs-stealth scenarios, where the engagement often shifts closer due to the difficulty of detecting and tracking stealth targets at long ranges.

3. Physics and Practicality: Closer Equals More Effective

Shorter range = less energy loss:

BVR missiles designed for long ranges often lose significant speed and kinetic energy during flight. Gökdoğan, being optimized for shorter engagements, retains higher speed and lethality within its effective range.

Improved accuracy and countermeasure evasion:

Stealth aircraft often deploy countermeasures like electronic warfare (EW) and decoys. A faster, more maneuverable missile like Gökdoğan has a better chance of overcoming these defenses before the target can react or escape.

4. Future Air Combat Tactics and Gökdoğan

Networked warfare:

Gökdoğan can be integrated into modern sensor fusion networks, utilizing data from AWACS, satellites, and other aircraft. This allows it to target stealth aircraft even when the launching platform cannot directly detect the target.

Flexibility is key:

In future air combat, the clear distinction between BVR and WVR engagements is becoming less relevant. Gökdoğan, as a hybrid missile, offers flexibility to dominate in both short and medium-range scenarios.

5. Conclusion: A More Advanced Concept

The Gökdoğan missile represents a modern interpretation of air combat requirements, especially for stealth-on-stealth engagements. Unlike traditional BVR missiles like AIM-120, which prioritize range and stable flight paths, Gökdoğan focuses on:

Higher agility and speed.

Realistic engagement distances based on stealth detection limits.

Hybrid capabilities that work across both short and medium ranges.

In a future dominated by stealth technology and highly agile aircraft, Gökdoğan’s design, with slightly reduced range but vastly superior kinetic performance and maneuverability, positions it as a decisive tool for next-generation air combat. Rather than being a limitation, its shorter range is an asset that aligns with the realities of modern warfare.

 

[Afif]

Chat GTP content shouldn't be posted on serious threads. I don't understand why people find it so amusing. But it brings nothing of actual value.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Chat GTP content shouldn't be posted on serious threads. I don't understand why people find it so amusing. But it brings nothing of actual value.

You are right, but it analyzes your own thought processes, whether they make sense or not. Whether they ultimately correspond to the ultimate truth is, of course, another matter.

It's just a thought process for future next generation BVR doctrine that very long range radar guided munitions will be ineffective against stealth targets in the long term because they have to get closer to detect it.
The sweet spot will probably be 50-120km.
It then seems logical that maneuverability and kinetic power make more sense due to a much higher speed at the expense of range as BVRAAM.

 

[Yasar_TR]

SRBM missiles are best when they are manoeuvrable plus hypersonic in mid course and have a suppressed trajectory. Our Tayfun seems to have all these parameters. Only time such SRBMs can be efficiently intercepted is during terminal phase. So, for that reason, in order avoid interception, it needs to be traveling in hypersonic speeds or as high a speed as possible during this phase.
In order to achieve such high velocities in terminal phase, the missile needs to be aerodynamic, sleek and most critically, have as high a total terminal weight as possible. The heavier it is the higher its terminal speed and the less likely it is to be intercepted.
The other problem with high speed ballistic missiles is, the problem of providing them with accurate guidance. At such high speeds imaging seekers are out of the question. Some form of, immune to jamming satellite guidance, needs to be developed. Global positioning systems can be jammed. INS is not accurate enough. Also, at such high terminal speeds, manoeuvring is not really feasible and efficient.
Our Bora was mentioned to be above a million dollar mark. Tayfun could easily double that. (Both these missiles are supersonic in terminal stage. And can be intercepted - may be , Tayfun a bit harder than Bora). That is why the subsonic terrain hugging cruise missiles are chosen more for long range economical and accurate targeting.
A missile like our, so far classified, Gezgin may prove to be the more economically viable choice for long ranges. Under 500km, Land Atmaca and SOM class of missiles could be the logical choice.
However that doesn’t mean that ballistic missiles don’t have a place in our inventory. They are still potent and capable weapons, if used correctly, especially when they are not expected!
If statistics is what’s go by, according to below site the Kinzhal and Iskander interception rates haven’t been that great in view of what Ukraine has admitted. Both these missiles are similar to our Bora and Tayfun.

Ukraine discloses for the first time real missile interception rates against the various kinds of Russian missiles

For the first time, Ukraine’s armed forces has disclosed the real missile interception rates, moving beyond its standard claim of 'all ...

www.intellinews.com

 

[Baklava Consumer]

Can a future ICBM be fired from the VLS on the MILDEN submarines?

 

[Oublious]

Can a future ICBM be fired from the VLS on the MILDEN submarines?

Could, but not with MILDEN .