Indonesia Navy Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Mandala]

The frigate’s equipment is categorized as “Fitted For, But Not With” (FFBNW) and “Main Contract Equipment”, with most weapons and sensors supplied by Turkish firms (Aselsan, Meteksan, Roketsan, and Havelsan) as well as Italian defense companies (Leonardo and ELT Group).


The FFBNW systems include:

• CENK 400-N (referred as CENK-S aboard Turkish Navy news frigate TCG Istanbul) 3D S-band AESA long-range air and surface surveillance radar from Aselsan
• Two of the four LIONFISH 12.7 TOP remote weapon stations (RWS) from Leonardo
• Two B515/3 triple 324mm torpedo launchers from Leonardo for MU90 LWT torpedoes
• MİDLAS Universal Vertical Launching System (VLS) from Roketsan, consisting of eight 8-cell modules (totaling 64 cells) for various surface-to-air (SAM) and surface-to-surface (SSM) missiles. This is the most important weapon system on board the new frigate but paradoxically it is not included in the main contract!
• One of the two 76mm naval gun systems from Leonardo, installed at the bow in tandem position (B position).

The Main Contract Equipment includes:

• METE HAN X-band multi-function radar (MFR) from Aselsan, mounted on the main mast:
  • “METE” is the name of CAFRAD’s X-Band module which comprises fixed face radar antennas
  • “HAN” is the name of the IFF unit on the top of the CAFRAD, comprises omni-directional antenna. However, the image paradoxically identifies Leonardo as the IFF supplier with likely the SIR-M-PA or another SIR-M IFF and MSSR (Monopulse Secondary Surveillance Radar) interrogator
  • Electronic Warfare (EW) suite from ELT Group, including R-ESM, C-ESM, COMINT and R-ECM capabilities (potentially identical to the ZEUS suite used on PPA-class vessels Indonesia acquired) with the R-ECM jammers not clearly identifiable in the diagram
• MAR-D/CENK-200-N 3D X-band air and surface surveillance and helicopter approach radar from Aselsan, positioned on a secondary mast aft. The system also equips the upgraded Barbaros-class (MEKO 200 TN Track IIA/B) frigates.
• FERSAH hull-mounted sonar (HMS) from Aselsan
• ADVENT combat management system (CMS) and Combat Information Center (CIC) equipment from Havelsan
• Target Designation Sights (TDS) from Aselsan
• Two fire control radars, likely STIR 1.2 EO Mk2 from Thales or AKREP-100/200 from Aselsan or NA-30S Mk2 from Leonardo
• Rheinmetall Oerlikon MILLENNIUM GUN 35mm Close-In Weapon System (CIWS). The weapon system also equips the Mardatinata-class (SIGMA 10514) light frigates
• One of the two 76mm naval gun systems from Leonardo, installed at the bow in tandem position (A position).
• At least eight KARTACA-N six-tube 130mm decoy launching systems (DLS) from Aselsan
• Aselsan might also provide navigation radars, laser warning systems, IRST system, torpedo defense system and SATCOM equipment

Read more:

Indonesia’s Merah Putih-class Frigate: What You Need to Know - Naval News

A newly released infographic of the under-construction 140-meter frigate for the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL)—known as the Red White Frigate (Fregat Merah Putih)—reveals key details of its combat system configuration.

www.navalnews.com

 

[Mandala]

Btw looking at his tweets our "favourite guy" on twitter is pretty angry today. LOL.

 

[omdhil]

Btw looking at his tweets our "favourite guy" on twitter is pretty angry today. LOL.

he should more angry and more "gamblang" in this case

 

[satria]

KRI Lumba-lumba 881​

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889587988876894251

There's no need for us to buy TB3 if we won't buy a carrier or LHD in the near future, right?

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889587988876894251

There's no need for us to buy TB3 if we won't buy a carrier or LHD in the near future, right?

Someone said juan carlos in the x

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889587988876894251

There's no need for us to buy TB3 if we won't buy a carrier or LHD in the near future, right?

Most large drones require very long runways. TB3 on the other hand is tailor made for STOL operations, either on a flattop ship or on a short runway on a small island base. Jawapos piece mentions "60 sets of TB3". It's unclear if that means 60 ground control stations and 60+ drones or 60 drones and some number of GCS, but nevertheless it's a big number. I think it's possible that TB3 is set to be Indonesia's new mainline drone for all kinds of operations, not just naval. Even 20 GCS is a huge number, it means 20 different drone ops at the same time.

 

[FPXAllen]

Most large drones require very long runways. TB3 on the other hand is tailor made for STOL operations, either on a flattop ship or on a short runway on a small island base. Jawapos piece mentions "60 sets of TB3". It's unclear if that means 60 ground control stations and 60+ drones or 60 drones and some number of GCS, but nevertheless it's a big number. I think it's possible that TB3 is set to be Indonesia's new mainline drone for all kinds of operations, not just naval. Even 20 GCS is a huge number, it means 20 different drone ops at the same time.

If one GCS can control up to three TB3s—assuming that the number is the same with TB2 and its GCS—the Indonesian Navy will probably incorporate four to six GCS onboard the carrier. That means the remaining GCS will be split and distributed to the Air Force and the Army.

That is, unless all the TB3s will be allocated for the Navy instead, which means that if the plan to acquire 4 LHDs is realized, all ships will have their own TB3 air wing.

 

[Umigami]

Most large drones require very long runways. TB3 on the other hand is tailor made for STOL operations, either on a flattop ship or on a short runway on a small island base. Jawapos piece mentions "60 sets of TB3". It's unclear if that means 60 ground control stations and 60+ drones or 60 drones and some number of GCS, but nevertheless it's a big number. I think it's possible that TB3 is set to be Indonesia's new mainline drone for all kinds of operations, not just naval. Even 20 GCS is a huge number, it means 20 different drone ops at the same time.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889610106175627483

I think these numbers are just projection

 

[Sanchez]

If one GCS can control up to three TB3s—assuming that the number is the same with TB2 and its GCS

Assumptions usually lead us astray. GCS/aircraft ratio would be based on Indonesian needs.

the Indonesian Navy will probably incorporate four to six GCS onboard the carrier.

That is a pretty big loadout, and Baykar would probably need to be a part of the design team for the carriers, I think.

which means that if the plan to acquire 4 LHDs is realized

4 drone carrier LHDs would be very expensive, but also a very big force multiplier.

 

[Mandala]

Bayraktar TB3.

 

[Lordimperator]

Bayraktar TB3.

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Now we are waiting for the "Anadolu"

 

[AlterUnd]

That is a pretty big loadout, and Baykar would probably need to be a part of the design team for the carriers, I think.

In an ideal world aircraft manufacturer should have little to do with the ship design itself. It should be compatible with the CMS and sensors on board inherently. The only requirement would have had installation of LOS data link and a broad bandwidth dedicated X-Band SATCOM terminals. Without those, it is hard to think of GCS being "integrated", GCS altogether is not something made by consideration of naval compliance, let alone being sea worthy.

So in short yet still long; The aircraft's own control module should be 1-1 compatible with CMS interface and using common consoles, with multi-purpose in mind, and the aircraft should be readily equipped with sensors to utilize onboard dedicated sensors (HAR, Naval Data Distribution systems et al.). While a dedicated X band satellite antenna could be installed for drone operations, and dedicated consoles could have been readied for such operations, one should also consider the flexibility and thoughts of that, the ship will, in some occasions, have full load out of the drones.

 

[NEKO]

If one GCS can control up to three TB3s—assuming that the number is the same with TB2 and its GCS—the Indonesian Navy will probably incorporate four to six GCS onboard the carrier. That means the remaining GCS will be split and distributed to the Air Force and the Army.

That is, unless all the TB3s will be allocated for the Navy instead, which means that if the plan to acquire 4 LHDs is realized, all ships will have their own TB3 air wing.

We have large area to cover so they prolly be spread out.

 

[Umigami]

By any chance, Trieste class vs Juan Carlos/ Anadolu class, which one is the suited for AL?

Juan

 

[Lordimperator]

Juan

Are there any "available" vessel that could be bought ASAP?

 

[Mandala]

"It has been claimed that an agreement has been made with Indonesia for the export of Bayraktar TB3 SIHA and Bayraktar AKINCI TİHA.

It is said that Indonesia will buy 60 sets, in total 240 Bayraktar TB3 and 9 sets, in total 36 Bayraktar AKINCI TİHA."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1889668201019043897