TR Altay Main Battle Tank & Related Programs

[Pokemonte13]

Isn’t the ALTAY tank that’s been presented in the t2 configuration or am I missing something also that that production timeline for this and next year is ridiculous what’s the point of having a new factory?

 

[Nutuk]

I remember we ware making fun of the Indian Arjun tank project.

With Altay we managed worse than the Indians

 

[Merzifonlu]

I remember we ware making fun of the Indian Arjun tank project.

With Altay we managed worse than the Indians

Errr, i think not worse. IMO equally worse! LOL

 

[Strong AI]

With Altay we managed worse than the Indians

Comparing Altay with Arjun is an insult in itself. And seeing this comment from a member with a TTA Tag makes me sad.

 

[Sanchez]

I remember we ware making fun of the Indian Arjun tank project.

With Altay we managed worse than the Indians

I don't agree with this. Arjun was delayed and was outdated. Altay is delayed but it is not outdated, if anything it is still very much modern. M60T1 have more modern electronics than Leo2A7 but in an obsolete layout. Carry them to Altay, and it is still modern with future upgradeability added in.

 

[Nutuk]

Well I would liked to have agreed with you but facts are there, first proto of the Altay was in 2012, 13 years later still not in production.

Is anything but success, no matter if in the meantime some minor upgrades have been made

 

[Yasar_TR]

Well, let’s not fight over it. Also no reason or point to compare it with Arjun.
Yes the tank is unbelievably late. But at least we haven’t given up on it; and bought another make.
We have been upgrading it in line with time and experiences from the field.
It has become a prestige thing for us as well. To prove to the west and to show the middle finger to those that tried to sabotage it, that we can make a tank that is as good as any.
But it looks like, by the time we have produced a dozen or two of them it will need a new upgrade, as the next generation of tanks will be in fashion.
We might as well limit the initial production to bare minimums, just to give production run experience to the new factory, so that the proper serial production gives us a tank like KF51 or AbramsX in the post 2028 period.

Panther KF51

AbramsX

Altay MBT

 

[Strong AI]

Well, let’s not fight over it. Also no reason or point to compare it with Arjun.
Yes the tank is unbelievably late. But at least we haven’t given up on it; and bought another make.
We have been upgrading it in line with time and experiences from the field.
It has become a prestige thing for us as well. To prove to the west and to show the middle finger to those that tried to sabotage it, that we can make a tank that is as good as any.
But it looks like, by the time we have produced a dozen or two of them it will need a new upgrade, as the next generation of tanks will be in fashion.
We might as well limit the initial production to bare minimums, just to give production run experience to the new factory, so that the proper serial production gives us a tank like KF51 or AbramsX in the post 2028 period.

Panther KF51
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AbramsX
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Altay MBT
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I hate that futuristic look. It gives me the same vibe as some electric cars. But that missile launcher looks interesting.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

As far as I know, the Panther KF51 is only a design study/demonstrator not a serial Tank or not?

 

[Turkic]

As far as I know, the Panther KF51 is only a design study/demonstrator not a serial Tank or not?

Actually it is both. I can't say they didn't expect for some orders but it's mainly a demo. Imo, their main goal was to show it and then get a contract to develop a tank based on it because it needed improvements.

 

[CAN_TR]

Germany just added Leopard2A7 A1 into their inventory and ordered additional ~120 Leopard2A8 in 2023, there were rumors that Italy is interested and potential first customer of the KF51 Panther but at the end they ordered 132 Leoprad2A8's, so KF51 will probably not realized anytime soon and AbramsX is a bit to Sci-Fi, most likely a new design, that has diesel electric engine and AI stuff...

With the current Altay T1 and T2 we will have the most capable MBT in the region, the delays also had their good point, i mean the current Altay is a technological beast in comparison to the last "serial production" variant.

 

[Sanchez]

there were rumors that Italy is interested and potential first customer of the KF51 Panther but at the end they ordered 132 Leoprad2A8's

They ordered 2A8 and also formed a joint company between Rheinmetall and Leonardo to build the next gen AFVs based on AF51 and AF41. That's at least a decade away.