TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[TheInsider]

The Anka-3+Supersimsek combo is a nightmare scenario for even the most advanced enemy air defense systems.

 

[boredaf]

The Anka-3+Supersimsek combo is a nightmare scenario for even the most advanced enemy air defense systems.

I just want it to be able to carry 2 Super Şimşek and 2 Som-J. Sends the decoy, finds the radar and destroys it all on its own, while remaining well out of reach of all but few aa systems.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Compared to the mockup

Although I think it’s still at the beginning and the rest will follow

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909683770057195922

This test is pretty much a big step in OKU as ANKA-III is the main platform to deploy Süper Şimşek for many things

Electronic warfare and decoy are just a part of what it can do. You can turn it into a light cruise missile or use it against large aircraft as a sort of loitering air-to-air missile. Just think of how much of a detterence is a pack of these against AWACS and transport aircraft when deployed in a defined sector.

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909683770057195922

This test is pretty much a big step in OKU as ANKA-III is the main platform to deploy Süper Şimşek for many things

Electronic warfare and decoy are just a part of what it can do. You can turn it into a light cruise missile or use it against large aircraft as a sort of loitering air-to-air missile. Just think of how much of a detterence is a pack of these against AWACS and transport aircraft when deployed in a defined sector.

Any information about range and payload (weight) would be appreciated

 

[Kaan Azman]

It is in the news but I also made an infographic, still waiting for the posting

 

[Strong AI]

I just want it to be able to carry 2 Super Şimşek and 2 Som-J. Sends the decoy, finds the radar and destroys it all on its own, while remaining well out of reach of all but few aa systems.

Doesn't Akbaba make more sense instead of SOM for that kind of mission?

 

[Strong AI]

From DefenceTurk in 2023 via @Kaan Azman (highlights are mine)

Ömer Yıldız from TAI:

"We need a target aircraft that flies at high speed, at supersonic speed. We are developing a faster version of the ŞİMŞEK aircraft that you see here, especially for the need for a target aircraft that can simulate missiles at high speeds and supersonic speeds. Our aim with this was also to reach supersonic speed. These aircraft have equipment on them that we call radar cross-section enhancers, which can make them appear larger by up to ten square meters.

We can communicate continuously with the link systems on our aircraft. When we launch our target aircraft from ANKA, ANKA can transmit data to the ground. We can transmit images from the cameras on our target aircraft to the ground in this way. We plan to have our target aircraft, which can currently reach speeds of 0.9 Mach, reach speeds of 1.1 to 1.4 Mach. We can also transmit images from ANKA to infantry on the ground. Our development work on ŞİMŞEK continues. In this direction, we are working on different engine options and 4-squad formation flights."

TUSAŞ ŞİMŞEK İHA'nın farklı konfigürasyonları geliştiriliyor

Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, TUSAŞ ŞİMŞEK İHA'nın farklı konfigürasyonları üzerinde çalışıldığını açıkladı.

www.defenceturk.net

I think here was something mixed up. The supersonic decoy will be Göksungur JEMSAH.

 

[BaburKhan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909683770057195922

This test is pretty much a big step in OKU as ANKA-III is the main platform to deploy Süper Şimşek for many things

Electronic warfare and decoy are just a part of what it can do. You can turn it into a light cruise missile or use it against large aircraft as a sort of loitering air-to-air missile. Just think of how much of a detterence is a pack of these against AWACS and transport aircraft when deployed in a defined sector.

Anka-III without it's stealth Charateristics will be an easy Target in an contested Airspace, the Problem is that Süper Simsek does not fit in internal Weapon Bays of Anka-3. This mean it will lose it's Stealth Charateristics. It can be possible when Anka-III works within a unmanned - unmanned or unmanned - manned Team. It can fly in fully Stealth mode in contested Airspace and provide Targeting Data to other Drones or Aircraft.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Anka-III without it's stealth Charateristics will be an easy Target in an contested Airspace, the Problem is that Süper Simsek does not fit in internal Weapon Bays of Anka-3. This mean it will lose it's Stealth Charateristics. It can be possible when Anka-III works within a unmanned - unmanned or unmanned - manned Team. It can fly in fully Stealth mode in contested Airspace and provide Targeting Data to other Drones or Aircraft.

If the quoted 700km range of Süper Şimsek is true it would be "fired" from Anka-III well before it enters any contested air space so not fitting in the internal bay wouldn't be a problem. Süper Şimsek is more like a Loyal Wingman than a missile.

 

[Kaan Azman]

and oh, here is the infographic I was talking about

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909720255070363802

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Anka-III without it's stealth Charateristics will be an easy Target in an contested Airspace, the Problem is that Süper Simsek does not fit in internal Weapon Bays of Anka-3. This mean it will lose it's Stealth Charateristics. It can be possible when Anka-III works within a unmanned - unmanned or unmanned - manned Team. It can fly in fully Stealth mode in contested Airspace and provide Targeting Data to other Drones or Aircraft.

Sure, but Super Şimşek is also stealth, unlike JEMSAH or normal Şimşek. The attachment points will probably do more harm to the RCS than Super Şimşek itself.



Şimşek: cheap SEAD (RF head for cheap AR?)
JEMSAH: Supersonic, rumored to carry EW payload
Super Şimşek: stealth, can be fitted with a variety of payloads
Enhanced Şimşek (no name as far as I'm aware): middle ground between Şimşek and Super Şimşek. Likely faster and more stealthy than normal Şimşek.

That's a hell of a family. Add Kargı, Akbaba, Çakır RF & EW variants and other SEAD/DEAD missiles and we're talking about a serious threat to any modern air defence network.

If hardpoints can be made stealthy, Anka 3 should carry Super Şimşek as well as carrying Çakır internally.

Meanwhile, Aksungur and Akıncı could carry a number of cheaper SEAD/DEAD drones.

Together, Aksungur/Akıncı could soften, confuse and overwhelm the whole network, meanwhile Anka 3 could focus on AD HVTs (long range systems)

 

[Kaan Azman]

I would want to add Kargı if Lentatek wasn't "I sleep" but yeah

Enhanced Şimşek is basically Şimşek but aerodynamically refined to be like a downsized Süper Şimşek (More I wanna talk about it but I don't want a flurry of phone calls or worse even though it is not some kind of a superweapon)

 

[boredaf]

Doesn't Akbaba make more sense instead of SOM for that kind of mission?

In theory, yes, but have we heard anything about it lately? Also, iirc, it's range was far shorter than SOM and I was thinking about keeping Anka-3 in stand-off range, rather than risking it go into enemy aa range with hardpoints on its wings that'll increase its rcs.

 

[Strong AI]

Also, iirc, it's range was far shorter than SOM

I think we can't say this yet, because Akbaba will have Ramjet propulsion. Meteor's max range is stated as 200 km.
But i am curious if the pylons will be droppable or not.

 

[Saithan]

If we are conducting test at Mach speed, then the structure of the Anka-3 is strong and durable enough to handle it. I remember something about that platforms flying at Mach 1 and above is exposed to very tough pressure and structural challenges.

flying above Mach 1 in short durations to begin with, but experimenting with longer duration to properly grasp the challenges on the structure is very important. Especially if it's necessary to fly for longer time.

 

[boredaf]

I think we can't say this yet, because Akbaba will have Ramjet propulsion. Meteor's max range is stated as 200 km.
But i am curious if the pylons will be droppable or not.

I was going on by what I remembered from old reports and it was around 50 kms back then, which was about the same as AGM-88 iirc. I can't remember what the extended range on AGM-88, but perhaps Akbaba will have around that?

 

[Turkic]

I was going on by what I remembered from old reports and it was around 50 kms back then, which was about the same as AGM-88 iirc. I can't remember what the extended range on AGM-88, but perhaps Akbaba will have around that?

Our defence industry always aims for at least the same performance as its Western replacements. So we should consider the latest specifications of the AGM-88 for the Akbaba Block 2 or 3, even if not for the first batch.

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909965625188835504

 

[BaburKhan]

Kizilelma should gain Air refuelling Capabillity and recieve Chaff & Flare Dispenser.

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