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The first of two MPCS (Multipurpose Combat Ship / PPA) vessels sold by Fincantieri to the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL), KRI Brawijaya (320), is conducting the first sea-goings from the Italian shipbuilder’s Muggiano shipyard (La Spezia).

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The first of two MPCS (Multipurpose Combat Ship / PPA) vessels sold by Fincantieri to the Indonesian Navy (TNI AL), KRI Brawijaya (320), is conducting the first sea-goings from the Italian shipbuilder’s Muggiano shipyard (La Spezia).

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a former navy guys, once said: where is the Sovraponte in the back? why buying ships, that having no gun like its default (that having sovraponte)

now, where is he? lmao
 

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Looks like the Indonesian Navy future LPD Command Vessel to be equipped with 40mm Gun, 8 x SSM, 12 x VL MICA and 2 x Millennium Gun CIWS.
Not official plan right? More like a suggestion
 

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Japan, Indonesia continue frigate talks looking to boost defense-industrial ties


The Maritime Self-Defense Force's Mogami frigate is docked at the MSDF's base in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, earlier this month.
The Maritime Self-Defense Force's Mogami frigate is docked at the MSDF's base in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, earlier this month. | GABRIEL DOMINGUEZ


BY GABRIEL DOMINGUEZ
STAFF WRITER

Apr 21, 2025

Talks between Tokyo and Jakarta on the potential joint development and production of advanced frigates for the Indonesian Navy continue at the highest levels of government, the Southeast Asian nation’s envoy to Japan has said, as the two countries seek to deepen defense-industrial ties.

After Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba and Defense Minister Gen Nakatani discussed the issue on separate visits to Jakarta earlier this year, the topic is also set to be high on the agenda when the Self-Defense Forces’ top uniformed officer, Chief of Staff Yoshihide Yoshida, visits Indonesia later this month, Ambassador Heri Akhmadi told The Japan Times in a recent interview.

Efforts to procure and co-produce a customized variant of Japan’s Mogami-class frigates — which Tokyo also hopes to export to Australia — remain a priority for the administration of Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto, Akhmadi said.

Prabowo, who is expected to visit Japan later this year, first expressed interest in cooperating with Japan on warship construction when he traveled to the country as defense minister in 2021 to sign a memorandum of cooperation on defense tech and equipment transfers.

Tokyo’s project proposal, reportedly valued at ¥300 billion, would involve building four of the frigates in Japan, with an equal number to be built in the Southeast Asian country by state-owned shipyard PT PAL to meet navy requirements.

However, talks stalled during the previous Indonesian administration due to the COVID-19 pandemic and financial constraints tied to Indonesia's ambitious project to relocate its capital.

While Tokyo has reportedly already offered loans, the funding issue has yet to be resolved as Indonesian regulations require the government to provide 10% to 20% of the funds up front.

Nevertheless, Akhmadi points to growing momentum in the negotiations under Prabowo, particularly as Japan has been relaxing its strict defense export controls in recent years, in part to allow for the potential sale of customized, upgraded Mogami frigates to Australia.

The ambassador said another key aspect of negotiations revolves around defense technology transfer. Jakarta is interested not just in jointly developing and producing the vessels, but also in gaining access to the Japanese technologies used in several of the systems on the Mogami-class vessels, which are among the most advanced in the Maritime Self-Defense Force.

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Akhmadi said that energy and maritime security were among the main topics discussed during Prabowo’s January meeting with Ishiba. This, he added, also led to talks on other potential exchanges, including the possibility of Tokyo providing decommissioned Soryu-class submarines to Jakarta.

Full article: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/04/21/japan/politics/indonesia-ambassador-japan-interview/
 

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Japan, Indonesia continue frigate talks looking to boost defense-industrial ties


The Maritime Self-Defense Force's Mogami frigate is docked at the MSDF's base in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, earlier this month.'s Mogami frigate is docked at the MSDF's base in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, earlier this month.
The Maritime Self-Defense Force's Mogami frigate is docked at the MSDF's base in Yokosuka, Kanagawa Prefecture, earlier this month. | GABRIEL DOMINGUEZ


BY GABRIEL DOMINGUEZ
STAFF WRITER

Apr 21, 2025

Talks between Tokyo and Jakarta on the potential joint development and production of advanced frigates for the Indonesian Navy continue at the highest levels of government, the Southeast Asian nation’s envoy to Japan has said, as the two countries seek to deepen defense-industrial ties.

After Prime Minister Shigeru Ishiba and Defense Minister Gen Nakatani discussed the issue on separate visits to Jakarta earlier this year, the topic is also set to be high on the agenda when the Self-Defense Forces’ top uniformed officer, Chief of Staff Yoshihide Yoshida, visits Indonesia later this month, Ambassador Heri Akhmadi told The Japan Times in a recent interview.

Efforts to procure and co-produce a customized variant of Japan’s Mogami-class frigates — which Tokyo also hopes to export to Australia — remain a priority for the administration of Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto, Akhmadi said.

Prabowo, who is expected to visit Japan later this year, first expressed interest in cooperating with Japan on warship construction when he traveled to the country as defense minister in 2021 to sign a memorandum of cooperation on defense tech and equipment transfers.

Tokyo’s project proposal, reportedly valued at ¥300 billion, would involve building four of the frigates in Japan, with an equal number to be built in the Southeast Asian country by state-owned shipyard PT PAL to meet navy requirements.

However, talks stalled during the previous Indonesian administration due to the COVID-19 pandemic and financial constraints tied to Indonesia's ambitious project to relocate its capital.

While Tokyo has reportedly already offered loans, the funding issue has yet to be resolved as Indonesian regulations require the government to provide 10% to 20% of the funds up front.

Nevertheless, Akhmadi points to growing momentum in the negotiations under Prabowo, particularly as Japan has been relaxing its strict defense export controls in recent years, in part to allow for the potential sale of customized, upgraded Mogami frigates to Australia.

The ambassador said another key aspect of negotiations revolves around defense technology transfer. Jakarta is interested not just in jointly developing and producing the vessels, but also in gaining access to the Japanese technologies used in several of the systems on the Mogami-class vessels, which are among the most advanced in the Maritime Self-Defense Force.

---------------

Akhmadi said that energy and maritime security were among the main topics discussed during Prabowo’s January meeting with Ishiba. This, he added, also led to talks on other potential exchanges, including the possibility of Tokyo providing decommissioned Soryu-class submarines to Jakarta.

Full article: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2025/04/21/japan/politics/indonesia-ambassador-japan-interview/
Well, is it me or anyone else experiencing the same, not exactly a confusion, but rather a doubt maybe,

The item like,
DD Type 052DE + SSK Type 039

CCV Garibaldi + AV8B Harrier

SU35 Flanker + Chengdu J10???

FF Mogami + Soryu??

.....

Are we... Really going seroius with all that??

I just feel like i need to sort the information in my head better.
 

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Well, is it me or anyone else experiencing the same, not exactly a confusion, but rather a doubt maybe,

The item like,
DD Type 052DE + SSK Type 039

CCV Garibaldi + AV8B Harrier

SU35 Flanker + Chengdu J10???

FF Mogami + Soryu??

.....

Are we... Really going seroius with all that??

I just feel like i need to sort the information in my head better.
The procurement of defense equipment during Prabowo's government is too disorganized. I mean, it's acceptable to buy defense equipment from different countries because of our stance as a non-aligned nation, but a clear and well-organized roadmap is needed.
 

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The procurement of defense equipment during Prabowo's government is too disorganized. I mean, it's acceptable to buy defense equipment from different countries because of our stance as a non-aligned nation, but a clear and well-organized roadmap is needed.
Not to defend Prabowo or anything, and CMIIW of course, but aren't most of those potential procurements or issues about them already surfaced when Jokowi was still in office?
 

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Well, is it me or anyone else experiencing the same, not exactly a confusion, but rather a doubt maybe,

The item like,
DD Type 052DE + SSK Type 039

CCV Garibaldi + AV8B Harrier

SU35 Flanker + Chengdu J10???

FF Mogami + Soryu??

.....

Are we... Really going seroius with all that??

I just feel like i need to sort the information in my head better.
Why not,Indonesia needs to act its size?
Your country is big enough to have a decent Blue Water Navy but you make some strange choices.

Garibaldi,Type 052DE,Type 039,Su35,J10,really?
 

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Not to defend Prabowo or anything, and CMIIW of course, but aren't most of those potential procurements or issues about them already surfaced when Jokowi was still in office?
Under President Jokowi's second term, Prabowo, as Minister of Defense, holds the authority for defense procurement and created its roadmap. Of the procurements listed above, only the Su-35 falls outside Prabowo's responsibility.

Furthermore, this list doesn't even include items such as the Mirage 2000-5, Istanbul-class frigates, F-16 upgraded by Turkiye, F-15EX, KAAN project, etc. (This also includes the fate of the KF-21 program, whose future direction is uncertain).

Our current defense roadmap is excessively absurd and disorganized.
 

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Why not,Indonesia needs to act its size?
Your country is big enough to have a decent Blue Water Navy but you make some strange choices.

Garibaldi,Type 052DE,Type 039,Su35,J10,really?
Financial issues plague the country's expenditures in general. Personally, I don't see how they could afford all of it, especially with the government cutting spending in general.

Talks about decreasing the amount of jets procured. Trying to pay with partially with commodities. They bought flankers 'A la Carte' with no weapons for years. Procurement in small batches in general. Even with the large number of AFVs and Leopard from Germany, it's smaller than Singapore and such scale of procurement isn't common at all iirc.

Correct me if I'm wrong but some Indonesians claim we're a rich country and it's not financial issues.
 

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