TR Turkey's Internal Counter-Terrorism Operations

[CAN_TR]

Serious question: What is the alternative to fighting the terrorists to the end of life? Where heaps more thousands of innocent Kurds and Turks die?
This way they are more under control and foreign countries have lost some of their tools against Turkey.
Because Europe and the US have always used the doctrine of divide and rule to destabilise countries and ethnic groups.

India and Pakistan should be a lesson to everyone, the British set them against each other and both countries are still suffering the consequences today.

Look buddy you don't talk about peace when you currently encircled and besiege dozens of huge tunnels in Iraq for over a year by now, you finish them off and then demand their capitualtion.

Those terrorists inside can't get enough supplies, they are starving therefore they either do hopeless moves by crawling out and immediately silenced or they capitulate to TSK. You kill almost every week a higher ranked terrorist and now you are planning to pardon those quote *who didn't participate in fightings* they talk about ~3500 terrorists btw.

You don't negotiate with terrorists, especially not after what happened the last time... Hendek Operations.

 

[Corvus]

KCK is not dissolved. Right now PKK is the smallest armed group under KCK organization.

KCK - Vikipedi

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PKK will be dissolved. Currently, the PKK has around several thousand members. Experts and specialists of the PKK, like demolation experts and UAV experts, will join other KCK groups. A large group of terrorists will come to Turkiye and join the Kurdish mafia to rule the underground world.

PYD/YPG will take over as the main terror force. Sponsors of the PKK can pressure Turkiye more easily because the PKK is dissolved, and the YPG is not the PKK.

Before we get into the speculation, let’s get the terminology straight. The KCK is not an armed organization — it’s an ideological framework or system. It doesn’t have military units, and it has never held a congress of its own. The so-called "KCK Executive Council" is headed by a civilian figure living in Europe, Remzi Kartal. This council has no authority to order armed groups to disband or lay down arms.

The PKK, on the other hand, is the core of the entire KCK system. In fact, even the KCK’s own charter states clearly that the PKK is the founding and leading organization. So the idea that “the PKK is being dissolved but the KCK remains intact” simply misunderstands how the hierarchy works. If the PKK dissolves, the rest of the system doesn’t continue — it collapses with it.

Also, let’s not kid ourselves. When the group itself officially announces that its 52-year-long armed struggle has come to an end, and when negotiations are reportedly underway in Duhok over the logistics of disarmament, it’s a stretch to think the group is secretly reshuffling fighters into new units while everyone else is fooled.

Seriously, what kind of confidence is that? MİT has been inside the PKK’s veins for 50 years and is directly managing this whole process — but some guy on a forum reads the KCK Wikipedia page and suddenly thinks he’s uncovered the master plan? Come on. Let’s try to debate with at least a shred of seriousness.

 

[what]

I'm as skeptical as anyone else, but let's see how it plays out. However we should not move out of Iraq for any forseeable time, neither Northern Syria or stop any counter terrorism activities.

Even if they dissolve, I'd like to draw a parallel to Columbia - where FARC officially dissolved, but what do people do that have never done anything else and dont want to miss out on all the drug money they earned of all those decades? They continue, perhaps as drug smuggling groups, maybe still separatistic.

We dont need any Kandirildik 2.0 and risk losing all the progress we made.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Ok, then what do you want, an ultimate civil war? The Kurdish question is not a one-way street, mistakes and promises have been made and ignited by both sides over decades, many people have been murdered and died, including an extremely large number of civilians.
The PKK as a terrorist organisation was marketed in the West as the mouthpiece of the Kurds, PKK = Kurds as a whole, it was sold this way for years in the media and in politics in order to weaken Turkey and create a wedge in Turkish and Kurdish society.
By denying them this marketing as a weapon, it is also more difficult to sell the YPG & Co. as the mouthpiece of the Kurds, regardless of whether the YPG is still supported by the USA, Israel & Co.

 

[TR_123456]

Before we get into the speculation, let’s get the terminology straight. The KCK is not an armed organization — it’s an ideological framework or system. It doesn’t have military units, and it has never held a congress of its own. The so-called "KCK Executive Council" is headed by a civilian figure living in Europe, Remzi Kartal. This council has no authority to order armed groups to disband or lay down arms.

The PKK, on the other hand, is the core of the entire KCK system. In fact, even the KCK’s own charter states clearly that the PKK is the founding and leading organization. So the idea that “the PKK is being dissolved but the KCK remains intact” simply misunderstands how the hierarchy works. If the PKK dissolves, the rest of the system doesn’t continue — it collapses with it.

Also, let’s not kid ourselves. When the group itself officially announces that its 52-year-long armed struggle has come to an end, and when negotiations are reportedly underway in Duhok over the logistics of disarmament, it’s a stretch to think the group is secretly reshuffling fighters into new units while everyone else is fooled.

Seriously, what kind of confidence is that? MİT has been inside the PKK’s veins for 50 years and is directly managing this whole process — but some guy on a forum reads the KCK Wikipedia page and suddenly thinks he’s uncovered the master plan? Come on. Let’s try to debate with at least a shred of seriousness.

Are you ok?
Remember what a US general answered to Lindsay Graham in a congressional hearing about the YPG/SDF.
''YPG and SDF are the PKK rebranded in Syria'' which meant that the PKK gets a new name and continues in Syria.
If the PKK disolves,what happens to the YPG and SDF?
Nothing,they just continue as is.
So dont come up with a bs story like ''its 52 year long armed has come to an end''
Senin karsinda cocukmu var???

 

[IC3M@N FX]

There is none. Just as there is no sense in making concessions to an enemy that is hellbent on destroying you. They didn't get tired of blowing themselves up in all these years, despite steadily loosing ground to the Turkish Military. Place yourself in their shoes. What reason is there for them to give up? None. This is just another rebrand, rearm, regroup moment for them, just like when they first "dissolved" in 2002. They are more than happy to make a deal with Erdogan that might benefit him personally but actively harms the interests of the Turkish nation as a whole. After all what do they have to loose? Suicide-attacks are quite literally part of their modus operandi. Just as targeting civilians is part of their terror strategy. What do they loose from the deaths of turkish or kurdish civilians? Nothing. They couldn't care less because they are an Ideologically driven ethnocentrist terrorist group, not a state actor. The entire point of targeting civilians as a means to terrorize the population is precisely to evoke the thought "We should stop fighting to stop innocent people from dying" and then to push for their demands to be seen through.
And if those demands aren't met? Just start planting IEDs again.

I rather believe that the PKK has its back against the wall, Turkey is no longer the Turkey it was 20-30 years ago when PKK terrorists could operate unchallenged in the borders over the mountains. Turkey simply did not have 24-hour air reconnaissance like today with night vision & thermal imaging, you can see that in the way they operate today. They simply no longer have access to attack Turkey on a large scale and burn villages and small towns in south-east Turkey to create chaos.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Are you ok?
Remember what a US general answered to Lindsay Graham in a congressional hearing about the YPG/SDF.
''YPG and SDF are the PKK rebranded in Syria'' which meant that the PKK gets a new name and continues in Syria.
If the PKK disolves,what happens to the YPG and SDF?
Nothing,they just continue as is.
So dont come up with a bs story like ''its 52 year long armed has come to an end''
Senin karsinda cocukmu var???

remember your talking to Kurds here, the Palestinians also thought it was a good idea to side with the British against the Turks in the past. The Kurdistan agenda isnt about Kurds, its about balkanisation making it easier to conquer for their crusader state Isreal.

This is why i say unfortunately it used to be a country vs PKK terrorists, under AK party its turning into a Turks vs Kurds thing here, no different then when it became a Turks vs Greeks or Turks vs Armenians during the Ottoman empire.

Westerners behind this plot must be laughing.

The big difference here is that when it was a Turks vs Greeks/Armenians thing the government was ran by Turks. Now the government is ran by people the west had a hand in placing in power and maintaining her power. This is why the islamist agenda backed by the west ofcourse wanted to remove the Turkish military and her role. Its way the constitution has been constantly under attack. Every time they attack and change the constitution they are signalling to their American masters that they are doing their work for them, making them happy.

Eventually death squads will operate in broad daylight to murder Turks and patriots in Turkiye, dark days are coming. Turks are going to have to face another independence movement. If Turks fail, all the minorities in the region are going to be turned into Palestinians. The white man and her proxy will reign supreme. But do middle easterners learn from history, doesn't seem like it.

In reality the PKK and Kurdistan agenda constantly being broadcasted within Turkiye was an agenda against the nation. It was intended to demoralise the Turkish people while also to provoke Kurdish hate of Turks and desires for national independence.

The nation has been flooded from top to bottom with traitors mostly working for the west.

 

[Corvus]

Are you ok?
Remember what a US general answered to Lindsay Graham in a congressional hearing about the YPG/SDF.
''YPG and SDF are the PKK rebranded in Syria'' which meant that the PKK gets a new name and continues in Syria.
If the PKK dissolves,what happens to the YPG and SDF?
Nothing,they just continue as is.
So dont come up with a bs story like ''its 52 year long armed has come to an end''
Senin karsinda cocukmu var???

Are YOU ok?

In which part of my message you spotted anything related to Syria and SDF?

I'm just saying "PKK dissolves but KCK stands" is a factually wrong statement.

 

[Costin1984]

Serious question: What is the alternative to fighting the terrorists to the end of life? Where heaps more thousands of innocent Kurds and Turks die?
This way they are more under control and foreign countries have lost some of their tools against Turkey.
Because Europe and the US have always used the doctrine of divide and rule to destabilise countries and ethnic groups.

India and Pakistan should be a lesson to everyone, the British set them against each other and both countries are still suffering the consequences today.

This "British set them against each other" narrative is pure BS.Hindus resented being under Muslim rule, and Muslims resented being under Hindu rule.....Brits or no Brits, the region would have been a cluster@@@@ anyway.

 

[TR_123456]

Are YOU ok?

In which part of my message you spotted anything related to Syria and SDF?

I'm just saying "PKK dissolves but KCK stands" is a factually wrong statement.

What dont you understand?
PKK doesnt dissolve,it is YPG/SDF now.
So nothing changes,it just moves(moved) to Syria,got it?

 

[Barry]

It's not hard to understand that by dissolving the currently impotent PKK and having all their current Kurdofascist members align with other groups not considered a terrorist groups by the international community, such as the YPG, is a massive win for these parasites. Not that the terrorist designation stopped them from supporting and arming these parasites in the past, but there's been a layer of insulation removed regarding Turkiye's legitimate operations to liquidate these seditious traitors.

Where are the guns going? Are the drug and human trafficking networks being dismantled? Are any elements of this group's criminality and treason ending because of this?

For fuck's sake.

 

[GoatsMilk]

It's not hard to understand that by dissolving the currently impotent PKK and having all their current Kurdofascist members align with other groups not considered a terrorist groups by the international community, such as the YPG, is a massive win for these parasites. Not that the terrorist designation stopped them from supporting and arming these parasites in the past, but there's been a layer of insulation removed regarding Turkiye's legitimate operations to liquidate these seditious traitors.

Where are the guns going? Are the drug and human trafficking networks being dismantled? Are any elements of this group's criminality and treason ending because of this?

For fuck's sake.

all that's happening is that the insurgency is being legitimised and the Turkish state delegitimised. The narrative in the western media for years now has been Turks slaughtering Kurds, occasionally this propaganda could be countered with pointing out how operations were against the PKK marxist terrorists and not the Kurds. This is over now, moving forward any moves the state makes against these terrorists, these western backed, zionist backed terrorists will be 100% just beevil Turks killing Kurds moving forward.

Turkish Muslims who have been ardent supporters of AK party are taking it deep in the ass and their enjoying it.

 

[RMZN]

Ok, then what do you want, an ultimate civil war?

No, it very much is possible to end this terrorism problem. The fact that there are now hundreds or Turkish bases in Iraq and Syria and that the pkk is hiding in caves, is prove that they can be militarily defeated. The issue is that all this is of no use when they are also part of the Turkish parliament at the very same time. You also need the political will to ensure that not only the military threat but also the ideological threat, is being neutralized.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

I rather believe that the PKK has its back against the wall, Turkey is no longer the Turkey it was 20-30 years ago when PKK terrorists could operate unchallenged in the borders over the mountains. Turkey simply did not have 24-hour air reconnaissance like today with night vision & thermal imaging, you can see that in the way they operate today. They simply no longer have access to attack Turkey on a large scale and burn villages and small towns in south-east Turkey to create chaos.

Bruh we still don't have 24/7 air surveiliance also during 2000s and 2012 pkk was defeated but thanks to islamist muslims like you they came back from death twice, also thanks to Incompetent generals our bases have been getting attacked by pkk terrorists because the FOB's were made over their tunnels. According to people like you turkey wasn't a country before akp, you don't even live here and your mind can't compherend these stuff. To all akp supporters here you were saying CHP will bring pkk into cities, you done that while arresting turks and letting these terrorists coming to our cities the blood of our civilians martrys are on your hand.

Typical akp supporter, when tayyar changes his mind they are ready to kiss the pkks and öcalans feet lol

 

[Bilge adam reis]

Before we get into the speculation, let’s get the terminology straight. The KCK is not an armed organization — it’s an ideological framework or system. It doesn’t have military units, and it has never held a congress of its own. The so-called "KCK Executive Council" is headed by a civilian figure living in Europe, Remzi Kartal. This council has no authority to order armed groups to disband or lay down arms.

The PKK, on the other hand, is the core of the entire KCK system. In fact, even the KCK’s own charter states clearly that the PKK is the founding and leading organization. So the idea that “the PKK is being dissolved but the KCK remains intact” simply misunderstands how the hierarchy works. If the PKK dissolves, the rest of the system doesn’t continue — it collapses with it.

Also, let’s not kid ourselves. When the group itself officially announces that its 52-year-long armed struggle has come to an end, and when negotiations are reportedly underway in Duhok over the logistics of disarmament, it’s a stretch to think the group is secretly reshuffling fighters into new units while everyone else is fooled.

Seriously, what kind of confidence is that? MİT has been inside the PKK’s veins for 50 years and is directly managing this whole process — but some guy on a forum reads the KCK Wikipedia page and suddenly thinks he’s uncovered the master plan? Come on. Let’s try to debate with at least a shred of seriousness.

Changed your mind because tayyar said so? again mr corvus?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Bruh we still don't have 24/7 air surveiliance also during 2000s and 2012 pkk was defeated but thanks to islamist muslims like you they came back from death twice, also thanks to Incompetent generals our bases have been getting attacked by pkk terrorists because the FOB's were made over their tunnels. According to people like you turkey wasn't a country before akp, you don't even live here and your mind can't compherend these stuff. To all akp supporters here you were saying CHP will bring pkk into cities, you done that while arresting turks and letting these terrorists coming to our cities the blood of our civilians martrys are on your hand.

Typical akp supporter, when tayyar changes his mind they are ready to kiss the pkks and öcalans feet lol

I don't kiss anyone's feet, I just find it interesting when people like you talk big but why don't you do it publicly, go to AKP headquarters and tell them what you think of them, that they are Islamists and traitors to the people

I am not a fan of the AKP, but I am honest enough to judge that they have done more than the other parties in Turkey. If you disagree, then prove it with facts what the other parties in Turkey have done and what impact it has had.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I don't kiss anyone's feet, I just find it interesting when people like you talk big but why don't you do it publicly, go to AKP headquarters and tell them what you think of them, that they are Islamists and traitors to the people

Isis style Islam. Where you say anything against them and they murder you. While their followers celebrate it. Absolutely demonic.

But what can you expect from Anglo-American backed Islam, all it does is harm Muslims and delegitimises them internationally as being radical fanatics.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

also most of the attacks are against our soldiers and recorded are done by HPG they rebranded themself countless times.
If you don't believe me go check out the gerilaTV.

 

[Bilge adam reis]

I don't kiss anyone's feet, I just find it interesting when people like you talk big but why don't you do it publicly, go to AKP headquarters and tell them what you think of them, that they are Islamists and traitors to the people

I am not a fan of the AKP, but I am honest enough to judge that they have done more than the other parties in Turkey. If you disagree, then prove it with facts what the other parties in Turkey have done and what impact it has had.

We don't get that much freedom here mr who resides in germany also why do you vote for leftist parties there and vote for akp here very Interesting right?

 

[Rooxbar]

Somehow for some reason pkk and all of its sympathizers are very happy that pkk dissolved itself. The fact that the most imbecilic retards in the world don't find this curious has been for me the least surprising development.

This is obviously a deal between akp and western intelligence circles (not including mhp with the former is a hint about with which one of them it belongs) long in the making (from the first çözüm süreci in fact), and the conjectural utility of it is that just like the first time, hdp will gain voters as a more legitimized and successful party (in its professed missions), will enter coalition with akp and that will push them over 50%, along with giving them the numbers for constitutional change.

Akp will gain those things, pkk will gain autonomy in Syria and god knows what other things promised to them in the new constitution, Israel has its alliance of periphery dreams come to fruition; but our people will be the ultimate losers.