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[Spitfire9]

since you have figured all out, can you answer why Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman and Kuwait have these planes? Are these countries the epitome of democracy and human rights in your small bubble?

They are not.

 

[duveil]

Bro, do you really think that Ozgur Ozel has a say/power/weight to convince another nation to agree on the Eurofighter deal? That guy is a clown FFS! That guy cant even convince his own people, lool

If the Eurofighter deal passes through it means either one of two things or probably both:
1- Erdogan gave the Germans something in return
2- Erdogan and Israel reached some sort of agreement that made Israel lift the pressure on german politicians so that they can agree to the deal

And God knows what Erdogan did give in return because Iam sure it isnt something good

Anyone who believes that Germany rejected the Eurofighter deal out of Erdogan's authoritarian behaviour is an idiot; I mean they have been selling weapons to nations in the gulf and Egypt for decades yet Erdogan is the only one who doesnt act in line with their so-called democratic values? What a joke and a third rate farce . It is 100% due to Israeli pressure since Germany had no reason to reject the deal in the first place

Mate Ozgur Ozel won the election . He made chp the leading party. That's an answer for your first argument about "he cant even convince his own people" . And stop calling people an idiot. It is a low blow.

 

[TheInsider]

Bro, do you really think that Ozgur Ozel has a say/power/weight to convince another nation to agree on the Eurofighter deal? That guy is a clown FFS! That guy cant even convince his own people, lool

If the Eurofighter deal passes through it means either one of two things or probably both:
1- Erdogan gave the Germans something in return
2- Erdogan and Israel reached some sort of agreement that made Israel lift the pressure on german politicians so that they can agree to the deal

And God knows what Erdogan did give in return because Iam sure it isnt something good

Anyone who believes that Germany rejected the Eurofighter deal out of Erdogan's authoritarian behaviour is an idiot; I mean they have been selling weapons to nations in the gulf and Egypt for decades yet Erdogan is the only one who doesnt act in line with their so-called democratic values? What a joke and a third rate farce . It is 100% due to Israeli pressure since Germany had no reason to reject the deal in the first place

Erdogan offered many things in return to Merz to convince the SPD, but the SPD hasn't changed its position up to now. Their position to veto the deal was ideological no matter what you offer. It is not about being a dictatorship. They hate AKP and Erdogan, and for them, he is far worse than MBS or Sisi. The other member of the coalition, CDU/CSU, confirmed the deal, but Olaf Scholz said let the new chancellor decide it, I won't be a part of this.

SPD and CHP have close ties. If I'm not mistaken, they are member of the same international organization, "socialist international".

 

[TR_123456]

The SPD’s reject on the Eurofighter deal has nothing to do with ‘democratic values’. It’s immaculate political threatening vibe toward Erdoğan. Germany arms Saudi Arabia, a administration with a far worse human rights record, but abruptly draws the line at Turkey?

Isnt it more like the PKK influence?
The SPD and the Greens are infested with PKK supporter politicians,no?
Before Erdogan it was the same.

 

[TheInsider]

Isnt it more like the PKK influence?
The SPD and the Greens are infested with PKK supporter politicians,no?
Before Erdogan it was the same.

Yes.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Yes, the SPD, the Greens, and the Left Party are already infiltrated by the PKK. But even then, Germany does not accept an independent Turkey with geopolitical ambitions. This is a cross-party issue in Germany and cannot be attributed to any one party.
They have a flaw in their understanding and respect for other countries.
It is firmly anchored in German culture that you have to dominate other countries and cultures, and then when you attack them with something tangible that they can't do anything about, they come down from their high horse.
They only accept strength, then they talk to you on equal terms, and even then only very reluctantly.

The reality at present is that the UK and the other consortium partners are putting massive pressure on Germany – their patience seems to be running out.

Although I wouldn't bet my life on it, I assume that Germany has been threatened behind the scenes with the termination of all future cooperation on arms projects – even smaller ones. Berlin already has its back to the wall: Germany was neither involved in the GCAP (Global Combat Air Programme) project nor included as an observer.

In the FCAS (Future Combat Air System) project, France is increasingly threatening to take complete control and effectively push Germany out of the project.

Although France traditionally has a tense relationship with Turkey, Paris is watching very closely how Germany behaves with regard to Eurofighter exports. Despite political differences, France is known for its export-oriented arms policy – even toward countries with questionable human rights records. And it wants to prevent German export barriers from jeopardizing French interests.

Spain, for its part, has apparently recognized that France could once again go it alone. As a result, Madrid has agreed on strategic cooperation with Turkey within the framework of the Hürjet program – with the option of also using Airbus systems for the TAI KAAN European Version maybe in the future. This could serve as a Plan B to FCAS.

 

[Ryder]

You cant do any Defence Projects with Germany.

I think everybody has learnt their lesson even their partners are done with them.

 

[Spitfire9]

You cant do any Defence Projects with Germany.

I think everybody has learnt their lesson even their partners are done with them.

To me the future looks difficult for the German military aviation industry. Where would it go on its own?

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1940406553141735538

 

[Sanchez]

Güler and air force chief met with BAE CEO and British ambassador.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941113306342978025

Hoping it was fruitful and stuff are being finalized.

 

[Memzy]

What are the chances of local Typhoon production at TAI facilities I wonder?

 

[Sanchez]

What are the chances of local Typhoon production at TAI facilities I wonder?

You need TAI ceo as well to discuss that. Who's the three star Turkish general on the right, any ideas?

 

[boredaf]

What are the chances of local Typhoon production at TAI facilities I wonder?

Zero. Factories that produce EF parts already needed work desperately. There were reports both from UK and Germany that without more orders some of those factories might have to shut down or downsize considerably. They need this order.

 

[Spitfire9]

What are the chances of local Typhoon production at TAI facilities I wonder?

Is it worth setting up assembly (not production) for 40?