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[IC3M@N FX]

Don't pay any attention to Harris.

A key problem with the TAI KAAN's engine issue is that not just any alternative can be used. The aircraft design was specifically developed around the dimensions, weight, and performance characteristics of the General Electric F110 engine (or the future TEI TF-35000). This means that the choice of possible replacement engines is extremely limited.

The reality of modern fighter aircraft development is that the engine is not adapted to the aircraft – the aircraft is built around the engine.
This means that any significant difference in length, diameter, center of gravity, or thrust characteristic has a direct impact on the structure, cooling, weight distribution, and overall flight dynamics.

In this respect, the Chinese WS-10C/D is currently the only realistic alternative that comes close to replacing the F110 in terms of the key parameters – diameter, weight, engine suspension. Although the WS-10 is slightly longer than the F110, this could be compensated for structurally, for example by extending the fuselage in the engine area without completely changing the overall aerodynamic design.

All other engines – whether from Russia, Europe, or other countries of origin – either differ too greatly in terms of dimensions or cannot be integrated for technical or compatibility reasons without radically redesigning the entire aircraft concept.
This even applies to powerful engines such as the Eurojet EJ200 or the Saturn AL-41, which are either significantly more compact or more voluminous than the F110 and are therefore practically unsuitable as replacements in the KAAN program.

In addition, Pakistan has J-10 fighter jet with WS-10 C engines. I can't say for sure, but I'm certain that this option is being considered behind closed doors. For example, Turkish engineers may have analyzed the engine in advance to create the conditions for possible integration.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Yes i am aslo afraid of war between turkiye vs israel that could destroy entire Turkish naval fleet and airbases by israeli . Thats strategic mistake that Turks make from 2002 until now . Even if we have 400 f35 we cant use them agaist israel .
Thats why i was agaist f35 since forever and pro to produce every weapon made in Turkiye .
The problem is not that Izrael is powerful but the kind of how israel is made(and acts) its like israel = western countries .
They have unlimited money and tech from western area .
The only solution is to make Turkiye militaristic country kind like nort / south korea.
The only solution for today until 15 years is that during war we can march 5 million soldiers in syria and fight israel in its borders and pray we can pressure israel to accept our conditions . After 15 years , our airforce , navy will be too powerful even for china or US to attack us , if everything go as planned ...

i mean lets take a look a war between israel and turkey now would most likely result in a defeat of turkey and would be an air battle our army is equal in terms of the quality of personnel but our material is older our air defences are modern but we lack the numbers.
But lets spin the weel forward 10 years by that time we will most likely have cought up with isrealis in terms of tech but will boster a larger inventory then them in all the branches.
israel main advantage is their airforce and their intelligence service and thats were we are investing and the strugle there is seeing the aircraft thats the reason of our alp radars to etheir penetrate the stealth(not sure if possible) but be resistant against ew systems.

 

[what]

Everybody behave, post something constructive and on topic. Otherwise suffer the consequences.

 

[Huelague]

The problem is even Israel have better relationship with china than Turkey, why china help Turkey

If we listen to Chinese officials, it doesn’t sound much Israel friendly. Our relation with China is much more older and deeper.

In a war of israel and Turkey, i am afraid Europe, USA and china, all of them will help Israel, at least china will keep balanced
At that time, who will help Turkey?Azerbaijan
Pakistan?
Russia wish greatly decrease Turkey, it will be in a even worse situation than iran

one war will just - Tear apart the Turkish emperor's new clothes. you are no better than iran

Don’t be afraid. They will not help Israel, despite from US maybe. Even US citizens now realized, that Israel has no big value despite making lots of problems and costs many lives and money.

 

[TheInsider]

The Eurofighter deal will likely happen. The main obstacle to the Eurofighter deal was the veto of the coalition member SPD. After Özgür Özel spoke to the co-chairman of SPD, Lars Klingbeil, SPD changed its position.

 

[Lool]

The Eurofighter deal will likely happen. The main obstacle to the Eurofighter deal was the veto of the coalition member SPD. After Özgür Özel spoke to the co-chairman of SPD, Lars Klingbeil, SPD changed its position.

Bro, do you really think that Ozgur Ozel has a say/power/weight to convince another nation to agree on the Eurofighter deal? That guy is a clown FFS! That guy cant even convince his own people, lool

If the Eurofighter deal passes through it means either one of two things or probably both:
1- Erdogan gave the Germans something in return
2- Erdogan and Israel reached some sort of agreement that made Israel lift the pressure on german politicians so that they can agree to the deal

And God knows what Erdogan did give in return because Iam sure it isnt something good

Anyone who believes that Germany rejected the Eurofighter deal out of Erdogan's authoritarian behaviour is an idiot; I mean they have been selling weapons to nations in the gulf and Egypt for decades yet Erdogan is the only one who doesnt act in line with their so-called democratic values? What a joke and a third rate farce . It is 100% due to Israeli pressure since Germany had no reason to reject the deal in the first place

 

[boredaf]

Dictators are not popular with north Europeans.

That's bullshit, Europeans have been selling arms to dictators for decades lad. Learn your own history before making blanket statements like that.

 

[Spitfire9]

That's bullshit, Europeans have been selling arms to dictators for decades lad. Learn your own history before making blanket statements like that.

I was talking about north European people. Most European governments, too, do not like dictators. Think Eurofighter. Did Turkiye request it and get a positive response? If not, why not?

 

[hugh]

I was talking about north European people. Most European governments, too, do not like dictators. Think Eurofighter. Did Turkiye request it and get a positive response? If not, why not?

since you have figured all out, can you answer why Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman and Kuwait have these planes? Are these countries the epitome of democracy and human rights in your small bubble?

 

[Spitfire9]

since you have figured all out, can you answer why Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Oman and Kuwait have these planes? Are these countries the epitome of democracy and human rights in your small bubble?

They are not.

 

[duveil]

Bro, do you really think that Ozgur Ozel has a say/power/weight to convince another nation to agree on the Eurofighter deal? That guy is a clown FFS! That guy cant even convince his own people, lool

If the Eurofighter deal passes through it means either one of two things or probably both:
1- Erdogan gave the Germans something in return
2- Erdogan and Israel reached some sort of agreement that made Israel lift the pressure on german politicians so that they can agree to the deal

And God knows what Erdogan did give in return because Iam sure it isnt something good

Anyone who believes that Germany rejected the Eurofighter deal out of Erdogan's authoritarian behaviour is an idiot; I mean they have been selling weapons to nations in the gulf and Egypt for decades yet Erdogan is the only one who doesnt act in line with their so-called democratic values? What a joke and a third rate farce . It is 100% due to Israeli pressure since Germany had no reason to reject the deal in the first place

Mate Ozgur Ozel won the election . He made chp the leading party. That's an answer for your first argument about "he cant even convince his own people" . And stop calling people an idiot. It is a low blow.

 

[TheInsider]

Bro, do you really think that Ozgur Ozel has a say/power/weight to convince another nation to agree on the Eurofighter deal? That guy is a clown FFS! That guy cant even convince his own people, lool

If the Eurofighter deal passes through it means either one of two things or probably both:
1- Erdogan gave the Germans something in return
2- Erdogan and Israel reached some sort of agreement that made Israel lift the pressure on german politicians so that they can agree to the deal

And God knows what Erdogan did give in return because Iam sure it isnt something good

Anyone who believes that Germany rejected the Eurofighter deal out of Erdogan's authoritarian behaviour is an idiot; I mean they have been selling weapons to nations in the gulf and Egypt for decades yet Erdogan is the only one who doesnt act in line with their so-called democratic values? What a joke and a third rate farce . It is 100% due to Israeli pressure since Germany had no reason to reject the deal in the first place

Erdogan offered many things in return to Merz to convince the SPD, but the SPD hasn't changed its position up to now. Their position to veto the deal was ideological no matter what you offer. It is not about being a dictatorship. They hate AKP and Erdogan, and for them, he is far worse than MBS or Sisi. The other member of the coalition, CDU/CSU, confirmed the deal, but Olaf Scholz said let the new chancellor decide it, I won't be a part of this.

SPD and CHP have close ties. If I'm not mistaken, they are member of the same international organization, "socialist international".

 

[TR_123456]

The SPD’s reject on the Eurofighter deal has nothing to do with ‘democratic values’. It’s immaculate political threatening vibe toward Erdoğan. Germany arms Saudi Arabia, a administration with a far worse human rights record, but abruptly draws the line at Turkey?

Isnt it more like the PKK influence?
The SPD and the Greens are infested with PKK supporter politicians,no?
Before Erdogan it was the same.

 

[TheInsider]

Isnt it more like the PKK influence?
The SPD and the Greens are infested with PKK supporter politicians,no?
Before Erdogan it was the same.

Yes.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Yes, the SPD, the Greens, and the Left Party are already infiltrated by the PKK. But even then, Germany does not accept an independent Turkey with geopolitical ambitions. This is a cross-party issue in Germany and cannot be attributed to any one party.
They have a flaw in their understanding and respect for other countries.
It is firmly anchored in German culture that you have to dominate other countries and cultures, and then when you attack them with something tangible that they can't do anything about, they come down from their high horse.
They only accept strength, then they talk to you on equal terms, and even then only very reluctantly.

The reality at present is that the UK and the other consortium partners are putting massive pressure on Germany – their patience seems to be running out.

Although I wouldn't bet my life on it, I assume that Germany has been threatened behind the scenes with the termination of all future cooperation on arms projects – even smaller ones. Berlin already has its back to the wall: Germany was neither involved in the GCAP (Global Combat Air Programme) project nor included as an observer.

In the FCAS (Future Combat Air System) project, France is increasingly threatening to take complete control and effectively push Germany out of the project.

Although France traditionally has a tense relationship with Turkey, Paris is watching very closely how Germany behaves with regard to Eurofighter exports. Despite political differences, France is known for its export-oriented arms policy – even toward countries with questionable human rights records. And it wants to prevent German export barriers from jeopardizing French interests.

Spain, for its part, has apparently recognized that France could once again go it alone. As a result, Madrid has agreed on strategic cooperation with Turkey within the framework of the Hürjet program – with the option of also using Airbus systems for the TAI KAAN European Version maybe in the future. This could serve as a Plan B to FCAS.

 

[Ryder]

You cant do any Defence Projects with Germany.

I think everybody has learnt their lesson even their partners are done with them.

 

[Spitfire9]

You cant do any Defence Projects with Germany.

I think everybody has learnt their lesson even their partners are done with them.

To me the future looks difficult for the German military aviation industry. Where would it go on its own?

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1940406553141735538

 

[Sanchez]

Güler and air force chief met with BAE CEO and British ambassador.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941113306342978025

Hoping it was fruitful and stuff are being finalized.

 

[Memzy]

What are the chances of local Typhoon production at TAI facilities I wonder?