Turkish Typhoon Jets

[Hannibal]

Greek media is saying the 8-12 Eurofighters from Qatar would be "leased" until the Tranche 5 Eurofighters would come. Apparently, Germany approved the sale of 20 Tranche 5 Eurofighters + option for 20 more.

 

[Yasar_TR]

With a Tranche 4 being prepped and with delivery schedule being a priority, maybe we will see a first order for 20 aircraft with Mk0s, and an option for 20 with Mk2s, because as also mentioned per Mevlütoğlu today, Mk2 IOC is aimed for 2030:

"With Initial Operating Capability (IOC) expected by 2030, the ECRS Mk2 radar will significantly enhance the RAF’s frontline Typhoon squadrons, solidifying their position as a dominant air superiority platform."

Behind the scenes with Leonardo’s ECRS Mk2 AESA radar

Inside Leonardo’s Edinburgh facility, engineers are building what’s been called the most advanced combat radar ever developed in Europe. The ECRS Mk2 will transform the RAF Typhoon’s ability to detect, jam, and fight in contested airspace. George Allison went behind the scenes to take a closer look.

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

BAE site claims that starting from 2028 they want to be in a position to produce Typhoons with the new ECRS-MK2 radar.

“The UK’s commitment to these long-lead packages in support of series production reflects the growing confidence in the progress being made by UK Industry in developing this state-of-the-art radar and growing maturity of the system design.

With initial production radars due to become available from 2028, the race is now on to get them integrated as soon as possible through the four-nation Eurofighter programme and deliver the battle-winning capability into the hands of the war fighter.”

https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/article/typhoon-radar-funding-commitment

 

[Sanchez]

BAE site claims that starting from 2028 they want to be in a position to produce Typhoons with the new ECRS-MK2 radar.

“The UK’s commitment to these long-lead packages in support of series production reflects the growing confidence in the progress being made by UK Industry in developing this state-of-the-art radar and growing maturity of the system design.

With initial production radars due to become available from 2028, the race is now on to get them integrated as soon as possible through the four-nation Eurofighter programme and deliver the battle-winning capability into the hands of the war fighter.”

https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/article/typhoon-radar-funding-commitment

Yeah, initial production radars are expected starting from 2028, but "integration" still takes years. Same as all other radar developments.

"The first ECRS Mk2 prototype was delivered to BAE Systems in April 2023, with initial Typhoon flight trials completed in September 2024. The radar is scheduled to be installed on 40 Tranche 3 Typhoons from 2028, with service entry planned before the end of the decade."

BAE Systems and QinetiQ ready Avro RJ100 testbed for ECRS Mk2 radar flight trials

BAE Systems and QinetiQ are preparing to convert an Avro RJ100 regional jet into a flight-test platform for the European Common Radar System Mk2 (ECRS Mk2).

defence-industry.eu

We could have aircraft ready for delivery in 2028, but with FOC for its radar expected for 2030-32; not good. Mk0 to Mk2 could be a good enough stand-in. That depends on what BAE promised to TurAF and what can it deliver through Leonardo UK. In my perfect world delivery schedule this would be 12-20 Qatari T3As with Mk0 and 20 T4s with Mk0s that would be replaced by Murad in house after 2030 and 20 Tranche 5s with new goodies and wholly replaced avionics with Mk2s coming from 2032. Add the Özgür II and the first Kaan squadron in to that mix and we would have no less than 50 AESA equipped high performance jets in service by 2032.

 

[begturan]

Turkey should upgrade all its F-16s to the Özgür-2 level and purchase approximately 120 EF-2000s. This will not affect the number of Kaan fighter jets we will produce, because Turkey is not a country that will be satisfied with 400 or 500 aircraft. We have global projects, and to secure them, we must acquire a very high number of fighter jets.

Never mind purchasing new F-16s and F-35s; Europe needs us against the future threats from Russia and China, and we need them. To establish good relations, we must establish mutual military trust.

Europe must stop using threats posed on our borders against us and instead cooperate with us. Europe's priorities must be more important than the fantasies of two naughty children.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Turkey should upgrade all its F-16s to the Özgür-2 level and purchase approximately 120 EF-2000s. This will not affect the number of Kaan fighter jets we will produce, because Turkey is not a country that will be satisfied with 400 or 500 aircraft. We have global projects, and to secure them, we must acquire a very high number of fighter jets.

Never mind purchasing new F-16s and F-35s; Europe needs us against the future threats from Russia and China, and we need them. To establish good relations, we must establish mutual military trust.

Europe must stop using threats posed on our borders against us and instead cooperate with us. Europe's priorities must be more important than the fantasies of two naughty children.

Who do you think we are us we don't have enough money for more than 400 active fighter jets unless you want to buy them and not maintain them. 400 jets would be an decent number of jets more than any other airforce in europe and the middle east we could even rival the russian airforce. plus unmanned systems are also coming which would be cheaper

 

[begturan]

Who do you think we are us we don't have enough money for more than 400 active fighter jets unless you want to buy them and not maintain them. 400 jets would be an decent number of jets more than any other airforce in europe and the middle east we could even rival the russian airforce. plus unmanned systems are also coming which would be cheaper

While Türkiye's current economic situation is challenging, its location on energy and trade routes means it will undoubtedly have a strong economy in the future. Consequently, it must possess a powerful air force to maintain the balance of power in the region. Otherwise, we cannot even protect the natural gas basins in the Black Sea, let alone the Mediterranean. An investment plan for the air force should be detailed starting today for the future.

 

[Nutuk]

Turkey should upgrade all its F-16s to the Özgür-2 level and purchase approximately 120 EF-2000s. This will not affect the number of Kaan fighter jets we will produce, because Turkey is not a country that will be satisfied with 400 or 500 aircraft.

That is a very assumptious estimation, with all the F16's and F4's we have never surpassed 300 fighter jets, and frankly I do not believe we will even go above 200 in the future.

With 5th and later 6th generation the shift is going to fighter jets with "loyal wingman drones" = less manned jets with more impact

Thus going for 120 EF would curb significantly the numbers of Kaan, I would not like to see that to be honest.

 

[begturan]

That is a very assumptious estimation, with all the F16's and F4's we have never surpassed 300 fighter jets, and frankly I do not believe we will even go above 200 in the future.

With 5th and later 6th generation the shift is going to fighter jets with "loyal wingman drones" = less manned jets with more impact

Thus going for 120 EF would curb significantly the numbers of Kaan, I would not like to see that to be honest.

Frankly, I estimated these figures based on our expansion into Africa and Asia, considering the potential air bases we will open in countries with which we will cooperate in the future. But your statements are worth considering.

However, it's also true that once at least 100 Kaan aircraft are produced, at least 200 loyal wingman drones will be produced for them. Therefore, I estimate that our number of manned and unmanned combat aircraft could easily reach 500, what do you think ?

 

[Nutuk]

I think with unmanned yes, since other countries will also bank on unmanned fighter jets.

Having our own ANKA and Kizilelma is a big plus for us.

 

[begturan]

I think with unmanned yes, since other countries will also bank on unmanned fighter jets.

Having our own ANKA and Kizilelma is a big plus for us.

A prediction is already forming in my mind. Would it be too dreamy if we made a list for 2030?

20/40 Kaan
240 F16 Özgür2
40/80 EF2000 T3/4
50/70 Hürjet
50/100 Kızılelma
30/50 Anka3/4

Approx 500+

We will also have Akıncı squadrons that we can configure for air-to-air missions.

 

[boredaf]

A prediction is already forming in my mind. Would it be too dreamy if we made a list for 2030?

20/40 Kaan
240 F16 Özgür2
40/80 EF2000 T3/4
50/70 Hürjet
50/100 Kızılelma
30/50 Anka3/4

Approx 500+

We will also have Akıncı squadrons that we can configure for air-to-air missions.

We are not going to have 40 Kaan by 2030, even in the best case scenario and trying to use Akıncı for a2a combat would be like trying to use bicycle to fight a tank. And Hürjet is trainer first, we don't even know if its light attack version will be ready by then; not that it would matter, it will always be inferior to proper fighters whether 4th gen or 5th.

 

[Radko]

We are not going to have 40 Kaan by 2030, even in the best case scenario and trying to use Akıncı for a2a combat would be like trying to use bicycle to fight a tank. And Hürjet is trainer first, we don't even know if its light attack version will be ready by then; not that it would matter, it will always be inferior to proper fighters whether 4th gen or 5th.

We won't have 40 or 80 EF's by 2030 too

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982509186480222542

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982840384771531261

 

[mTT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982840899962097730

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-27/uk-seals-8-billion-jets-deal-with-turkey-in-nato-sign-to-putin

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982840713382355172

 

[Samba]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982840899962097730

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-27/uk-seals-8-billion-jets-deal-with-turkey-in-nato-sign-to-putin

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982840713382355172

I assume this is not only for jets... otherwise 500mil each is ridiculous

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982840899962097730

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-27/uk-seals-8-billion-jets-deal-with-turkey-in-nato-sign-to-putin

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982840713382355172

Goddamn.

This number is hard to sell, but was expected. It's a deal like none other, with expedited training and delivery schedule.
"There are several reasons why the agreement package is so high:
-Acquisition of a new aircraft infrastructure,
-Providing logistical support for aircraft acquired from outside the United Kingdom (Qatar and Oman),
-Procuring a large quantity of spare parts and various ammunition,
-Rapidly establishing a training infrastructure,
-Preparing for the possible acquisition of more Eurofighters in the future."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982847692670738490

Defence Turk claims total number is 44, from UK and ex Qatari and Omani.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1982845060904616279

 

[Hannibal]

Total of 44 units:
20 from the United Kingdom
12 from Qatar
12 from Oman

That £8 billion probably includes spare parts and modernizations for aircraft from Oman, maybe Qatar also, although I don't know the difference between Qatari Tranche 3A and Tranche 4 Eurofighters.

Probably would've been cheaper to buy 40 new Tranche 4 Eurofighters directly, but it shows you that Turkish Air Force is more concerned with time than money. They need these aircraft urgently.

 

[TheInsider]

Here we go, Türkiye will buy 44 Eurofighters. 20 T4 from the UK , 12 T3 from Qatar, and 12 T3 from Oman. There is also an option for another 20 Eurofighter T5. Total cost is up to 10+ billion $ if all options are exercised. Typhoons from Qatar will be delivered immediately. Omani Eurofighters will be refurbished. Brand new T4 Eurofighters will be delivered starting from 2028 with ECRS Mk2 radars. There is no information on how much we will pay to Qatar and Oman.

 

[Zafer]

The payment for the planes will probably be made over a number of years.

 

[what]

Uff, you always pay the price for the mistakes of the past eventually.