TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Sanchez]

Shape of things to come?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019762712452964812

 

[Khagan1923]

Shape of things to come?

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019762712452964812

Whoever put that flag on needs to go to the eye doctor

 

[Zafer]

I would say it is more than likely to have Saudi Arabia on board with Kaan. We should sign up more and more potential users so that they don't get distracted by the competition.

 

[Zafer]

So the number of countries who are looking at Kaan hits 13 with the addition of Saudi Arabia. I could make out 11 of them and I need two more to complete the map.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2019670102480941128

 

[Sanchez]

Shape of things to come?

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I was wondering about that heavy duty stand. Very nice show.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2020409740124184780

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2021550325577158823

Will the Germans learn from ther mistake and join the Kaan? Put ther arogance side and thin relevant...


They will not accept them....

 

[IC3M@N FX]

No, please don't, apart from the fact that they have to kiss Israel's arse forever. Are they taboo in Eurasia for key projects?
Even the French insist on getting almost all rights to FCAS, not only to lead the development of the aircraft but also to market it. There's no need for a US/Israeli proxy that will immediately cave in under the first sign of pressure. That's why no one wants Germany at the centre of defence projects that are really important, not because their money or technology is bad, but because they are too easily influenced from outside. Even the GCAP faction will only want Germany as a Tier 2 partner for parts and money, but under no circumstances will they want veto rights or design sovereignty over GCAP – that ship has sailed.

 

[UNKONNW]

A Saudi member from an Arabic forum went to the WDS and asked an employee from GCAP. Did Saudi join GCAP? She said yes.



And Egypt i don't believe we will join or get the Kaan.

What I believe is that there are going to be two scenarios.

Egypt will get the J35, or there's going to be a stealth Egyptian fighter with the help of China.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Will the Germans learn from ther mistake and join the Kaan? Put ther arogance side and thin relevant...

They will not accept them....

No, thanks!

 

[Pokemonte13]

A Saudi member from an Arabic forum went to the WDS and asked an employee from GCAP. Did Saudi join GCAP? She said yes.



And Egypt i don't believe we will join or get the Kaan.

What I believe is that there are going to be two scenarios.

Egypt will get the J35, or there's going to be a stealth Egyptian fighter with the help of China.

China is not interested in sharing their tech they could consider selling it but that would create a lot of problems for Egypt with the US.

 

[TR_123456]

China is not interested in sharing their tech they could consider selling it but that would create a lot of problems for Egypt with the US.

No,no problem at all.
Egypt always diversified its weapon systems from various sources.
Russian,French,German,Italian,US,Chinese all sold weapon systems to Egypt.

 

[Spitfire9]

No, please don't, apart from the fact that they have to kiss Israel's arse forever. Are they taboo in Eurasia for key projects?
Even the French insist on getting almost all rights to FCAS, not only to lead the development of the aircraft but also to market it. There's no need for a US/Israeli proxy that will immediately cave in under the first sign of pressure. That's why no one wants Germany at the centre of defence projects that are really important, not because their money or technology is bad, but because they are too easily influenced from outside. Even the GCAP faction will only want Germany as a Tier 2 partner for parts and money, but under no circumstances will they want veto rights or design sovereignty over GCAP – that ship has sailed.

It is too late for Germany to join as a full partner. It would delay the project and disrupt Japan's re-equipment plans. Even if that were not the case, I think the GCAP partners tried to ensure in their agreement that no partner could block exports, given Japan's long record of refusing military exports (since the end of WW2, I think). In the same way Germany would have been forced to accept no export blocking to qualify for partnership.

 

[Spitfire9]

No, thanks!

If FCAS fails, I see 2 projects that could interest Germany - KAAN and AMCA. AMCA looks to offer more to Germany than KAAN, I think. However, the prospect of trying to get anything done in conjunction with India may render cooperation with India a non-starter.

 

[Yasar_TR]

It is too late for Germany to join as a full partner. It would delay the project and disrupt Japan's re-equipment plans. Even if that were not the case, I think the GCAP partners tried to ensure in their agreement that no partner could block exports, given Japan's long record of refusing military exports (since the end of WW2, I think). In the same way Germany would have been forced to accept no export blocking to qualify for partnership.

My take on the subject is quite different. Apparently Japan has certain reservations which has been included in the export sales of the jets to be produced.

The GCAP consortium partners (UK, Italy, and Japan) have
not agreed to a blanket "no-block" policy on all export sales. Instead, they have established a framework to facilitate exports, but with specific, restrictive conditions—particularly regarding Japan's involvement—designed to avoid the veto disputes that plagued the Eurofighter Typhoon program.
Key details regarding the GCAP export agreement include:

Relaxed, Not Removed, Restrictions: In March 2024, Japan agreed to revise its strict defense export guidelines specifically for the GCAP fighter to allow sales to third-party countries, removing a significant hurdle.

Conditions for Export: Exports are not automatic. To be approved, the destination country must have a defense equipment and technology transfer agreement with Japan.

Active Conflict Clause: Export is forbidden to countries where combat is currently deemed to be taking place, excluding them from potential sales.

Case-by-Case Approval: Each export decision requires approval from the Japanese Cabinet, which ensures control over which nations receive the aircraft.

Avoiding Previous Mistakes: The partners recognize that exportability is crucial for reducing unit costs and have built this into the project from the beginning to prevent a single partner from exercising a veto, a scenario that previously hindered the UK's Eurofighter sales.

While the agreement is designed to be more flexible, it still requires consensus or at least, in the case of Japan, adherence to specific, rigid criteria rather than a completely open export policy.

 

[mehmed beg]

It is too late for Germany to join as a full partner. It would delay the project and disrupt Japan's re-equipment plans. Even if that were not the case, I think the GCAP partners tried to ensure in their agreement that no partner could block exports, given Japan's long record of refusing military exports (since the end of WW2, I think). In the same way Germany would have been forced to accept no export blocking to qualify for partnership.

I don't think that Germany would or can join AMCA , only AMICA , in Bosnian language Amica ( amidza) is brother of father. Played stupid games with French and got what they asked for . Germans can join Swedish project , that is it if there is one
I am not a fan of France but at least I have to say it is pretty independent country.
I think that France is only European country that can build a fighter jet engine, test it, certify it , from begging to the end.
Germans thought that Safran should give them a complete TOT , because of few quid. Also A nation formerly known as Germans , think that France should give them control of the nuclear deterrent while buying Shlomos copies of American weapons.
Besides, I think AMCA will probably cooperate will Dassault and Safran.
No European country will take part in KAAN project, maybe Spain. I think though that EU won't allow Spain to join KAAN anyway.
Rest assured, Europe will never do something that is truly useful .
In any case, if Turkiye manages to sell the planes to Indonesia,,Saudi and Azerbaijan , it would be just fine
In any case, even in the unlikely case that the nation formerly known as Germans join, every Turkish enemy would get every single information about KAAN.
Oh just to add, Japan? It is also, the nation formerly known as Japanese. It is all banana.

 

[Huelague]

If FCAS fails, I see 2 projects that could interest Germany - KAAN and AMCA. AMCA looks to offer more to Germany than KAAN, I think. However, the prospect of trying to get anything done in conjunction with India may render cooperation with India a non-starter.

What exactly can India offer to Germany?

 

[mehmed beg]

What exactly can India offer to Germany?

Only money, nothing else and if Indiana doesn't have confidence in Russians , people who can actually design and produce the planes and and engines, then why would they risk it with the nation formerly known as Germans?
Germans can only fulfill their usual task and that's is thrown the spanners into someones else business.
Or maybe they can join with Israel, because I am hearing these days that Israel has an ambition to be independent technology from USA???

 

[TR_123456]

My take on the subject is quite different. Apparently Japan has certain reservations which has been included in the export sales of the jets to be produced.

The GCAP consortium partners (UK, Italy, and Japan) have
not agreed to a blanket "no-block" policy on all export sales. Instead, they have established a framework to facilitate exports, but with specific, restrictive conditions—particularly regarding Japan's involvement—designed to avoid the veto disputes that plagued the Eurofighter Typhoon program.
Key details regarding the GCAP export agreement include:

Relaxed, Not Removed, Restrictions: In March 2024, Japan agreed to revise its strict defense export guidelines specifically for the GCAP fighter to allow sales to third-party countries, removing a significant hurdle.

Conditions for Export: Exports are not automatic. To be approved, the destination country must have a defense equipment and technology transfer agreement with Japan.

Active Conflict Clause: Export is forbidden to countries where combat is currently deemed to be taking place, excluding them from potential sales.

Case-by-Case Approval: Each export decision requires approval from the Japanese Cabinet, which ensures control over which nations receive the aircraft.

Avoiding Previous Mistakes: The partners recognize that exportability is crucial for reducing unit costs and have built this into the project from the beginning to prevent a single partner from exercising a veto, a scenario that previously hindered the UK's Eurofighter sales.

While the agreement is designed to be more flexible, it still requires consensus or at least, in the case of Japan, adherence to specific, rigid criteria rather than a completely open export policy.

So,Japan can and will easily find ways to block sales to a none Western country.
How can the UK agree to these terms?

 

[Yasar_TR]

So,Japan can and will easily find ways to block sales to a none Western country.
How can the UK agree to these terms?

This agreement has to be looked at from an opposite perspective. It was set up to circumvent Japan’s certain constitutional legislations and obligations, and make it possible to export the jet fighter, rather than a way to block sales.
Veto conditions have been lifted. So none of the member countries can veto sales outright. But prior to sale the purchasing country has to be vetted and meet certain criteria that conforms to Japan’s internal laws.

Also remember UK needs cash to carry on with the project.

 

[TR_123456]

This agreement has to be looked at from an opposite perspective. It was set up to circumvent Japan’s certain constitutional legislations and obligations, and make it possible to export the jet fighter, rather than a way to block sales.
Veto conditions have been lifted. So none of the member countries can veto sales outright. But prior to sale the purchasing country has to be vetted and meet certain criteria that conforms to Japan’s internal laws.

So,you believe this(highlighted part) is not a veto right?
I'm sure you know how Japan works,right?
Which ever project they joined finished properly?
And what's the difference between France Germany and Japan in these kinds of projects?
Just remember the Reis class subs.