TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[hugh]

i was looking to find out about P1's landing gear bays(and its non-existent doors), only to find out they blurred them on the video. what could be the reason?

 

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

Here are the updates I've spotted so far:

The air intakes are positioned further back, suggesting the aircraft's length has been shortened a bit.

Other than that, the radome is more compact and smaller.

Also, the P1 now features the actual landing gear. These are the main changes I've seen up to this point.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

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Beauty, they did a really good job fixing the proportion. Both P1 and P2 look really good.

İts to me or the nose is still same as P0 ?

 

[hugh]

TUSAŞ CEO:

"The 10 engines we have are sufficient for the prototypes.

We are awaiting engines from the USA, and we are currently in the final stage of the approval process.

We will likely receive approval for the first batch of blocks 10 and 20 this month, or perhaps next month. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022325470054826229

 

[IC3M@N FX]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022327640833839227

KAAN P1 is finally here!

BÄM welcome to the next Generation of Aviation in Turkey

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is great news. Finally we have sight of P1 Kaan.
They need to hurry up and fly this asap and produce the P2 and P3 subsequently as well so that all relevant testing procedures are completed before end of 2027 or latest by mid 2028. Then we need to start LRIP cycle to get some Block10 planes in to our airforce inventory.

TEI needs to start the licence production of around 90+ f110GE129E engines as well in late 2027 or early 2028. Hopefully that production line will convert to the production line of TF35000 engines in the early 2030’s.

 

[Burberryswine1]

KAAN is definitely maturing, maybe in a slower pace than we expected, also the TOYGUN and KARAT combo looks good.

 

[Samba]

Here are the updates I've spotted so far:

The air intakes are positioned further back, suggesting the aircraft's length has been shortened a bit.

Other than that, the radome is more compact and smaller.

Also, the P1 now features the actual landing gear. These are the main changes I've seen up to this point.

Vertical stabilizers have more angle and look longer

 

[AlperTunga]

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-stops-german-drones-performance

The Ukrainian Armed Forces suspended procurements of German HX-2 strike drones in late 2025, after their performances were found to be well below required standards. According an internal presentation prepared by the German Defence Ministry in November, aircraft had trouble even taking off, with only a quarter of them being able to launch. Even if able to get airborne, the aircraft were found to be highly vulnerable to Russian electronic warfare, leading their operators to lose connection. Artificial intelligence components intended to allow the aircraft to continue their missions when cut off were notably missing, which seriously limited autonomy. Ukraine’s procurements were financed by German government aid, raising questions regarding how funding previously intended for HX-2 procurements will now be reallocated.

The poor performance of the HX-2 led Kiev to halt orders, which were funded by the German government, according to Bloomberg. The aircraft’s predecessor HF-1 had previously also faced criticism for being expensive and ineffective, with the HX-2 having been expected to improve on its shortcomings. Single use attack drones have played a particularly central role in the ongoing Russian-Ukrainian war effort, with Russia having retained significant advantages by deploying a much wider range of aircraft and in much greater numbers, initially through heavy reliance on procurements from Iran. The Geran-2, an Iranian design produced and modernised under license, in late 2025 demonstrated a new capability to strike dynamic moving targets near the frontlines, with their dynamically seek out both stationary and moving targets inside Ukrainian territory has been pointed to by analysts as a potential game changer.

The quality of German armaments delivered to Ukraine has consistently been called into question, with a notable example being Germany’s most capable self-propelled artillery system the PzH 2000, which widespread criticism after its first high intensity combat tests. German media outlet Der Spiegel reported just a month after the first deliveries to Ukraine in 2022 that the howitzers were showing significant signs of “wear and tear,” and breaking down rapidly, forcing the Ukrainian Army to rely more on its artillery acquired from other sources, such as the much more dependable M777 howitzers provided by the United States. Only Italian artillery systems proved to be significantly less reliable than those supplied by Germany. The system’s underperformance was far from isolated, with German-supplied Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks similarly performing far more poorly than Western sources had projected, and quickly taking extreme losses.

A Munich based start up Hypersonica has developed and tested a hypersonic strike missile reaching 6 mach within only 9 months. Serial production is in 2029. When these guys begin I can tell you it will easily rival Israel and US. We dont really have such startups. We have large and successful companies like Aselsan, Roketsan etc. But this is not enough. We need to mobilize all our means and should never be complacent.

 

[hugh]

From TUSAŞ CEO regarding TF35K:

"PDR phase completed, transitioned to CDR. 1.5-year detailed design process has begun.

Goal: First prototype tests in 2028-29, aircraft integration in 2029-30.

Process is fast but we must accelerate even further."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2022605649335497064

I argued 4 months ago that the 2026 date for engine test is not for a prototype but an attempt to get early data from some parts of the engine. There's no TF35k being built yet. And it's likely that TEI will start building the first prototype next year. That also will take some time. It's a long and arduous process. We need to be patient.

To my recollection, i have never seen any info on TF35000's first firing or the start of a prototype building. What we were told is that some early tests will be conducted in 2026. That doesn't mean a prototype. It will be a test article for early testing before committing to a prototype. So it's a part of the engine that will be tested on a specialized rig. It could belong to the compressor, combustion chamber, turbine section and what not.

When they start to build the prototype, it will take 1.5-2 years before it's completed and perform its first firing. We will be shown its full-scale mock-up before the prototype. But that requires an advanced stage in development. The program is still in preliminary-design phase. I for one would feel ecstatic if they could fire the engine first time by 2028.

 

[infrared]

A Munich based start up Hypersonica has developed and tested a hypersonic strike missile reaching 6 mach within only 9 months. Serial production is in 2029. When these guys begin I can tell you it will easily rival Israel and US. We dont really have such startups. We have large and successful companies like Aselsan, Roketsan etc. But this is not enough. We need to mobilize all our means and should never be complacent.

And they do that with people left Roketsan. I don't know how people worked in Turkish defense company for years can live with working for a foreign country's defense (and for Germany's out of all countries). Maybe it was for Roketsan's favor for that kind of skilled but disloyal people to leave.

 

[TR_123456]

And they do that with people left Roketsan. I don't know how people worked in Turkish defense company for years can live with working for a foreign country's defense (and for Germany's out of all countries). Maybe it was for Roketsan's favor for that kind of skilled but disloyal people to leave.

On a certain level it has nothing to do with loyalty or money anymore,nobody wants to leave when the work atmosphere is good.
People leave when there is a problem.

 

[mehmed beg]

French tested hypersonic missile 2 years ago. I believe that French had the project in regards of hypersonic missile, even in the early 70s
So this German company isn't the first in Europe.
They are lying

 

[Iskander]

A Munich based start up Hypersonica has developed and tested a hypersonic strike missile reaching 6 mach within only 9 months. Serial production is in 2029. When these guys begin I can tell you it will easily rival Israel and US. We dont really have such startups. We have large and successful companies like Aselsan, Roketsan etc. But this is not enough. We need to mobilize all our means and should never be complacent.

It is known that the entire Turkiye military-industrial complex (MIC) employs less than 100,000 people. For comparison, the Russian MIC employed 3,000,000 people before the current war, and last year this figure reached 3.8-4.5 million. In Russia, this sector is mainly represented by large state-owned companies, which, in turn, are merged into giant corporations. Frankly, I was very surprised to learn that so few people work in this sector in Turkiye. Therefore, I completely agree with your assessment on this issue. (It should also be noted that the number of people working there has doubled in recent years)

 

[boredaf]

Is it just me or did they also change the cockpit geometry ever so slightly?

 

[Ahlatshah]

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Is it just me or did they also change the cockpit geometry ever so slightly?

It is not you. That ugly curve is gone, much more refined right now

 

[AlperTunga]

And they do that with people left Roketsan. I don't know how people worked in Turkish defense company for years can live with working for a foreign country's defense (and for Germany's out of all countries). Maybe it was for Roketsan's favor for that kind of skilled but disloyal people to leave.

Indeed I asked Google AI assistant and found out that someone with a Turkish name (and METU alumni) is listed as one of the key employees, namely Head of Avionics & GNC (Guidance, Navigation, and Control). It is a real pity. I am not sure this is about being disloyal. We need to do everything to keep skilled people (unless they are traitors of course!), especially the really skilled ones. There we should not hesitate about couple of thousand $ more in the salary. This aspect is fully relevant for the KAAN project as well, which is our second independence fight after 1923!

 

[Sanchez]

To me, most substantial change we have between P0 and P1 so far is the length increase between the two engines. No doubt IWB at the back is now larger, that's good.

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[TR_123456]

To me, most substantial change we have between P0 and P1 so far is the length increase between the two engines. No doubt IWB at the back is now larger, that's good.

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Explain why it is good?

 

[Khagan1923]

Explain why it is good?

Probably bigger IWB = being able to carry bigger missiles/being able to carry more missiles.