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Talks are at a very exploratory stage so nothing is confirmed yet. First reports appeared last month:


Later in March, the proposal was confirmed to be official:


"...At the 6th India-France Annual Defence Dialogue in Bengaluru, this Feburary, India expressed its interest in joining France’s futuristic sixth-generation fighter jet programme. The proposal was discussed in a meeting by India’s Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, where Minister of the Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs of France Catherine Vautrin were also present.

According to official sources, Mr. Singh presented India’s intent to participate in the co-development and co-manufacture of a sixth-generation combat aircraft under the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme. The ambitious project was originally launched by France and Germany in 2017, with Spain joining the initiative in 2019. India’s participation would mark a significant expansion of defence-industrial cooperation between New Delhi and Paris.

The FCAS programme aims to develop a next-generation air combat system centred around a sixth-generation fighter, supported by unmanned systems and advanced network-centric warfare capabilities..."


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In the long term (2050+), India will need a 6th gen air superiority platform to replace the 260+ Su-30MKIs in service. This is a role the AMCA is not expected to fill. If that requirement can be clubbed with the Navy's evolving need for a next gen deck-based fighter to fly from future CATOBAR carriers, there is likely potential requirement for ~350+ airframes of the type.

Germany's biggest gripes with the program being 1) not requiring a carrier-based version and 2) not wanting it to be nuclear delivery-ready, neither of which are likely to be issues for India. In fact we would love for it to have those features.

On the face of it, joining FCAS makes a lot of sense. But whether everything can be successfully negotiated or not is the question. The impending 114 Rafale deal for ~$35 Billion and Safran being the preferred party for AMCA's $7 Billion next-gen engine program would go a long way in solidifying the relationship with France & Dassault. That would possibly set a good stage for joining FCAS.

Remains to be seen which way things will go.

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Talks are at a very exploratory stage so nothing is confirmed yet. First reports appeared last month:


Later in March, the proposal was confirmed to be official:


"...At the 6th India-France Annual Defence Dialogue in Bengaluru, this Feburary, India expressed its interest in joining France’s futuristic sixth-generation fighter jet programme. The proposal was discussed in a meeting by India’s Defence Minister Rajnath Singh, where Minister of the Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs of France Catherine Vautrin were also present.

According to official sources, Mr. Singh presented India’s intent to participate in the co-development and co-manufacture of a sixth-generation combat aircraft under the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) programme. The ambitious project was originally launched by France and Germany in 2017, with Spain joining the initiative in 2019. India’s participation would mark a significant expansion of defence-industrial cooperation between New Delhi and Paris.

The FCAS programme aims to develop a next-generation air combat system centred around a sixth-generation fighter, supported by unmanned systems and advanced network-centric warfare capabilities..."


++++

My comments:

In the long term (2050+), India will need a 6th gen air superiority platform to replace the 260+ Su-30MKIs in service. This is a role the AMCA is not expected to fill. If that requirement can be clubbed with the Navy's evolving need for a next gen deck-based fighter to fly from future CATOBAR carriers, there is likely potential requirement for ~350+ airframes of the type.

Germany's biggest gripes with the program being 1) not requiring a carrier-based version and 2) not wanting it to be nuclear delivery-ready, neither of which are likely to be issues for India. In fact we would love for it to have those features.

On the face of it, joining FCAS makes a lot of sense. But whether everything can be successfully negotiated or not is the question. The impending 114 Rafale deal for ~$35 Billion and Safran being the preferred party for AMCA's $7 Billion next-gen engine program would go a long way in solidifying the relationship with France & Dassault. That would possibly set a good stage for joining FCAS.

Remains to be seen which way things will go.

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The problem is both France and Germany together in such a project,it usually doesnt even start.
Maybe you should develop from the AMCA or go with France alone(with others) since you have a good relationship already.
There is also the possibility that Germany changes its priorities and takes a more active instead of the passive stance it has in all military projects.
 

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The problem is both France and Germany together in such a project,it usually doesnt even start.
Maybe you should develop from the AMCA or go with France alone(with others) since you have a good relationship already.
There is also the possibility that Germany changes its priorities and takes a more active instead of the passive stance it has in all military projects.

Agreed, dealing with Germany can be a headache.

On the other hand, if Germany ends up leaving the program over their disagreements with French requirements, then things could get interesting.
 

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Agreed, dealing with Germany can be a headache.

On the other hand, if Germany ends up leaving the program over their disagreements with French requirements, then things could get interesting.
It all depends on Merz,he seems to be more assertive but German politics is crazy.
The Greens have won in the last Baden Würthenberg(province/state) elections ahead of the CDU of Merz which could be an indication for the next elections.
The Green party is a big obstacle for defence projects in Germany.
You are better of without current Germany.
 
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