TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[BalkanTurk90]

Türkiye needs a shit ton of bombs/missiles with as much range as possible, the higher the better. Only once you have achieved air dominance you can bomb the enemy with those 20Km+ ammunition. So Türkiye needs alot of that 500KM ALBMs.

We are building Anka 3 and perhaps aslo kizilelma (2026) which can drop those 1 ton bombs in steath mode ! And in future KAAN (2029).

 

[Pokemonte13]

Thats not alot of smart bombs , thats just (3-7) days war agaist powerful enemy state ( israel , grece , iran , iraq , saudi arabia etc )
US Produce 45k per year those while Russia 120k
Türkiye perhaps 5k per year which must be increased to 10k
China ? perhaps millions if neccesary with automated robotics factories

Should be more than 5k but also depends on the airforce needs and tubitak is probably the smallest producer here
Asfat, roketsan and Aselsan should all have larger capacity

 

[MonteCarlo]

Thats not alot of smart bombs , thats just (3-7) days war agaist powerful enemy state ( israel , grece , iran , iraq , saudi arabia etc )
US Produce 45k per year those while Russia 120k
Türkiye perhaps 5k per year which must be increased to 10k
China ? perhaps millions if neccesary with automated robotics factories

If we had air superiority to drop 1700 MK84's in 3 days against Greece or Israel the war would be over by the fourth day. I agree that production should be increased but amount of air to surface bombs would definitely not be our main bottleneck in any peer to peer fight

 

[boredaf]

We are building Anka 3 and perhaps aslo kizilelma (2026) which can drop those 1 ton bombs in steath mode ! And in future KAAN (2029).

Stealth doesn't mean invisible, they can still be detected and target by air defence systems or enemy planes or even manpads. As it has been proven by the F-35 that got it in Iran.

Türkiye perhaps 5k per year which must be increased to 10k

At least do some research before talking ffs, Assan alone was capable of producing more than 80k MK bombs before the government decided to mess with them. Hell, even their latest production line in Azerbaijan alone was capable of 10k. Even if Assan numbers include just bodies, we are more than capable of building tens of thousands each year.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Does anyone know what the current situation is with Gezgin?
Are there any early prototypes of Siper Block 3 yet?

 

[Pokemonte13]

Does anyone know what the current situation is with Gezgin?
Are there any early prototypes of Siper Block 3 yet?

Gezgin is currently under qualification/ testing and it will either enter service in 2027 or 2028

 

[MonteCarlo]

Does anyone know what the current situation is with Gezgin?
Are there any early prototypes of Siper Block 3 yet?

The CEO of Kale said Arat(Gezgin's engine) will enter serial production in 2027 so probably the same for Gezgin if not little more delayed

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Stealth doesn't mean invisible, they can still be detected and target by air defence systems or enemy planes or even manpads. As it has been proven by the F-35 that got it in Iran.


At least do some research before talking ffs, Assan alone was capable of producing more than 80k MK bombs before the government decided to mess with them. Hell, even their latest production line in Azerbaijan alone was capable of 10k. Even if Assan numbers include just bodies, we are more than capable of building tens of thousands each year.

Read carefully before talking nonsense , i write smart bombs , smart kits that attached to dumb bombs , for just dumb bombs the numbers are different for all since is alot easier that guidance kit with tech , electronics etc
-F35 got detected by İR type missile and hit it not radar ,
F35 engine and any modern aircraft engine has huge İR signature ( hot ) that İR missiles can hit them

 

[Yasar_TR]

Something most are missing is the fact that these bombs are only good if you have air superiority.
Otherwise you could lose most of your air force against a country that has an intact modern AD system.
Why doesn't Russian air force use their planes for bombing?
Could Pakistani or Indian air forces brave to enter eachother's airspace?
They all use standoff missiles and munitions.
If against any of those countries mentioned above, if you haven't taken out their AD systems, you can not use any version of HGK bombs.
Even 100km to 130km range KGK bombs would be suspect. Having released them at the edge of it's range, planes need to rush back to base to get out of AD engagement distances.

Does any body have a source that Anka 3 and KE IWBs can accommodate 1ton guidance kitted bombs? To my knowledge it is not feasible and both planes can not carry more than one bomb, that being in external pylon, making the plane visible.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Something most are missing is the fact that these bombs are only good if you have air superiority.
Otherwise you could lose most of your air force against a country that has an intact modern AD system.
Why doesn't Russian air force use their planes for bombing?
Could Pakistani or Indian air forces brave to enter eachother's airspace?
They all use standoff missiles and munitions.
If against any of those countries mentioned above, if you haven't taken out their AD systems, you can not use any version of HGK bombs.
Even 100km to 130km range KGK bombs would be suspect. Having released them at the edge of it's range, planes need to rush back to base to get out of AD engagement distances.

Does any body have a source that Anka 3 and KE IWBs can accommodate 1ton guidance kitted bombs? To my knowledge it is not feasible and both planes can not carry more than one bomb, that being in external pylon, making the plane visible.

Exactly, when it comes to modern air fights, you have to fight as "cowardly" as possible, which means producing thousands of standoff missiles to decimate the enemy air defenses. After that, drop thousands of GAZAPs on their heads and kill everything on 2 legs.

 

[dBSPL]

The single-piece heavy munition safe loading limit should be around 650 kg. Therefore, 1-ton class bomb kits are not suitable for the Anka 3 system, and the MK 84 HGK is not only heavy but also a very bulky munition.

On the other hand, the batch size of 1700 indicates a production volume that should not be underestimated. This is probably the second largest capacity in the West after the United States, the world's largest exporter in this class. In my assessment, Turkiye's production capacity for 2000-lb class bombs + guidance kits could easily be increased to over 3000s if it feels any imminent threat. The total capacity of all guidance kits in all classes in the US is theoretically around 40-45,000 at most. In the 2000lb class, it can be estimated to be around 10-12,000 at most, and dozens of allied countries benefit from this pool besides the US Department of Defense.