TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[YeşilVatan]

I think the Navy should invest in this missile. We should put Tayfun block 3 on board Navy ships ASAP. Roketsan should do studies to see whether it is possible to integrate Tayfun Block 3 to Midlas VLS, or whether it is possible to replace some of the harpoon launchers on the deck. Tayfun 3 should also be a part of the Barbaros Coastal Defense System.

Quick question, how hard is it to launch this thing from a submarine?

 

[Zafer]

If the Tayfun-B3 fits in the Atmaca footprint or come close we need it on our submarines too.

 

[YeşilVatan]

If the Tayfun-B3 fits in the Atmaca footprint or come close we need it on our submarines too.

I envisioned something like some unmanned mini-subs that carry 4-6 of those but I honestly have no idea if it would be worth the trouble. Maybe on a USV it would make more sense. Just slap a launcher on top, the range is plenty enough.

 

[Zafer]

I was thinking more like a canister launch that they have done with Atmaca. Mildens and Nukdens can probably have them built in.

 

[UkroTurk]

Quick question, how hard is it to launch this thing from a submarine?

Do our frigates enough free space for super sized SRBM and its launcher?

Does Türkiye really need such huge arsenal for ocean?



Also submarine launched ballistic missiles have totally different shape and structure.

On the other hand, Launch from submarines would be safer than warships. SRBM would just burn the deck. If Turkish navy procures SRBM, it doesn't mean, the navy will put on ships.

Please remember, Turkish Air Forces also uses ground air defense systems. Turkish Navy monitors naval threats, so its their duty to eliminate naval threats from ground.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Quick question, how hard is it to launch this thing from a submarine?

If your submarines don’t have VLS with correct dimensions that can accommodate the missile, forget it.
If however, your submarines have the correct dimension VLSs, then you need to develop technologies like nuclear ballistic missile submarines use to launch ICBMs. That is not easy either. When those missiles are launched from under water, they don’t use capsules. But the gas propulsion system is such that it does not allow the missile and the VLS containers to get wet. When such large missiles are being launched from under water, due to weight shifting problems subs would encounter sub’s balance may be compromised. Thus this will have to be addressed to keep the sub stable. This is achieved by filling the tube instantly to not allow any instability issues.

Conventional Submarine Torpedo tubes are predominantly 533mm in diameter and 6.4m to 7.6m long. Missile plus capsule diameter and length have to be smaller to fit. Ballistic missiles are too big to fit in these tubes. But cruise missiles can be built to be launched from these tubes.

Typhoon Block 1 is 610mm in diameter and 6.5m in length. Add the capsule too; it is far too big to fit.

Block 3 is ~8m long
Block 4 is 10m long (~938mm in diameter)
They definitely won’t fit.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Excellent to see that it'll be in the inventory this year. I do hope that they're integrated into future vessels, perhaps a derivative of the TF-2000.

Whilst it's great to see such a destructive weapon enter the inventory, I'd also like the navy to have something else. We need ship-based SEAD/DEAD launcher that saturates enemy ships with cheap drones/missiles.

Perhaps our larger USVs can fill this role

 

[Zafer]

Tayfun3 can be downsized/reshaped to be carried in a submarine. Some of its capabilities will change but you get closer to target with a submarine anyway.

 

[Strong AI]

Looks like Tayfun Block-4 will also have a seeker head and hypersonic speed at impact.

(Will TAYFUN Block-4 have similar accuracy?) "We are actually trying to integrate these technologies into all of them. This was just a demonstration of Block-3. However, we will integrate similar technologies into Block-4 as well. The work on Block-4 is also going very well, and God willing, we will share those with our public as soon as possible."

Murat İkinci TAYFUN Blok-3 füzesi hakkında ne dedi? Blok-4 nasıl olacak?

ROKETSAN Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, denizdeki hareketli hedefi tam isabetle vurabilen hipersonik füzenin Türk ordusu için büyük bir caydırıcılık sağladığını söyledi.

www.trhaber.com.tr

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074790823397351647

There is also going to be massive budget for strike capability and jets

 

[Yasar_TR]

The TRG 300 ER missile is the ideal long range stand off missile for our f16s today and tomorrow. It can approach hypersonic speeds during mid course and hits the target with supersonic speeds. The sooner this missile is integrated to our f16s the better. Kaan block 10s should carry up to 5 of these. With our seeker technology advances as proven on Tayfun-3, it is a no brainer to use these missiles to take out radar installations and high value assets of enemy in deep strikes without endangering our planes and pilots.

ROKETSAN 300 ER: Long-Range Precision Strike Capability

Developed by ROKETSAN, the 300 ER stands out as a long-range air-to-ground missile system designed to enhance the Turkish Air Force's deep-strike capabilities.

• Range: 500+ km
• Length: 5 m
• Weight: ~900 kg
• Platform: Fighter aircraft
• Role: Deep strike, precision destruction of strategic targets

Thanks to its extended range, the 300 ER enables engagement from outside the reach of air defense threats, thereby maximizing pilot and platform safety.

 

[boredaf]

The TRG 300 ER missile is the ideal long range stand off missile for our f16s today and tomorrow. It can approach hypersonic speeds during mid course and hits the target with supersonic speeds. The sooner this missile is integrated to our f16s the better. Kaan block 10s should carry up to 5 of these. With our seeker technology advances as proven on Tayfun-3, it is a no brainer to use these missiles to take out radar installations and high value assets of enemy in deep strikes without endangering our planes and pilots.

ROKETSAN 300 ER: Long-Range Precision Strike Capability

Developed by ROKETSAN, the 300 ER stands out as a long-range air-to-ground missile system designed to enhance the Turkish Air Force's deep-strike capabilities.

• Range: 500+ km
• Length: 5 m
• Weight: ~900 kg
• Platform: Fighter aircraft
• Role: Deep strike, precision destruction of strategic targets

Thanks to its extended range, the 300 ER enables engagement from outside the reach of air defense threats, thereby maximizing pilot and platform safety.

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I also wouldn't mind seeing this under an Akıncı.

 

[HKY]

I wonder if 300er could be converted to a very long range Air to Air missile with an aesa radar seeker. Yes it's big and not very manourable. But it could easily shoot down big aircraft like enemy awacs, EW, tanker, cargo planes. Both US and China are developing 1000+km crazy long range Air to Air missiles so we need to give it a try.

 

[MonteCarlo]

I wonder if 300er could be converted to a very long range Air to Air missile with an aesa radar seeker. Yes it's big and not very manourable. But it could easily shoot down big aircraft like enemy awacs, EW, tanker, cargo planes. Both US and China are developing 1000+km crazy long range Air to Air missiles so we need to give it a try.

Hitting a plane with a ballistic missile is straight up impossible. They simply don't have the maneuverability and accuracy needed for it. Even hitting ships like Tayfun-3 are pushing the limits of the technology


For very long range air-to-air ramjet or even a turbojet on a big missile makes much more sense

 

[Yasar_TR]

I wonder if 300er could be converted to a very long range Air to Air missile with an aesa radar seeker. Yes it's big and not very manourable. But it could easily shoot down big aircraft like enemy awacs, EW, tanker, cargo planes. Both US and China are developing 1000+km crazy long range Air to Air missiles so we need to give it a try.

It may have to be streamlined. Also lose 90% of its explosive weight. Plus get better seekers, fins and TVC. Structurally it needs to be able to stand very high G turns. If launched from a plane at 40000+ ft altitude, it could reach hypersonic speeds. So it‘s range could be pretty impressive. But the more manoeuvres it does the less effective range it will have. To travel 500km it would need more than 7 minutes.

Most extra long range BVR a2a missiles are a form of a ballistic missile anyway. Their flight profile is such that they first go up high (80000 to 110000ft) then coast and then drop down on to target at high speed. But longer they have to go and more manoeuvers they have to do the more speed they will lose and consequently the less effective range they will have.

So it can be redeveloped in to one albeit with extensive alteration. But would it still be called trg300 ER? Definitely NOT.

EDIT :

Re @MonteCarlo ’s comments.

For long range and throttle controllability RAMJET powered a2a missiles iş a good choice. But not the only one. Check out JATM AIM260.

Turbojet can not effectively power an a2a. It is too expensive and not quick to accelerate and manoeuvre.