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[Yasar_TR]

TEBER-82 & TOLUN-P Munition Firing Test from the Internal Weapons Bay

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Teber 82 just about hits the target. But it is not really representative of a guidance kit that Roketsan states has a CEP of less than 3m. Teber is a guidance kit Specifically produced for precision hits.

TolunP is a complete miss though!
That is well within collateral damage area.
Roketsan gives “less than 10m CEP” for that munition.
that means 50% of missiles will fall within a circle of less than 10m radius. 43.7%. will fall wihin less than 20m radius circle.

These munitions were tested before from other UAV and air platforms with much better results.
It is clear that the releasing them from KE IWBs is having an adverse effect. That needs to be addressed.

Nevertheless, great news that IWB of KE is becoming operational.

 

[Zafer]

All inferences are coming from a sample of one, probably an instance that is already an outlier. Best to expect it will get there.

 

[Boykaz]

ASELSAN: With this integration, Bayraktar KIZILELMA will gain the capability to carry up to eight TOLUN P precision-guided munitions in its internal station.

 

[Yasar_TR]

ASELSAN: With this integration, Bayraktar KIZILELMA will gain the capability to carry up to eight TOLUN P precision-guided munitions in its internal station.

Can you please share the source too?

 

[mTT]

Can you please share the source too?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2082769121410687404

 

[Corvus]

These munitions were tested before from other UAV and air platforms with much better results.
It is clear that the releasing them from KE IWBs is having an adverse effects. That needs to be addressed.

Nevertheless, great news that IWB of KE is becoming operational.

What is the reason of this adverse effects? My simple mind can't see why IWB would decrease the accuracy of a guided smart munition.

 

[Yasar_TR]

What is the reason of this adverse effects? My simple mind can't see why IWB would decrease the accuracy of a guided smart munition.

Yes, IWB releasing smart munitions, their accuracy can be adversely affected by :
Severe cavity aeroacoustics,
Unsteady shear-layer turbulence, and
High-pressure oscillations.

Lighter smart weapons are particularly sensitive to these dynamic forces .

As they are leaving there is a danger of the contact too . So they are pushed out by automated or mechanical means, which further excarcebate the issue.

 

[Gemn]

Tolun is not a free-fall munition. Therefore, it engages the target on its own after releasing from the aircraft, and the turbulence generated during the release does not affect it."

 

[Samba]

Yes, IWB releasing smart munitions, their accuracy can be adversely affected by :
Severe cavity aeroacoustics,
Unsteady shear-layer turbulence, and
High-pressure oscillations.

Lighter smart weapons are particularly sensitive to these dynamic forces .

As they are leaving there is a danger of the contact too . So they are pushed out by automated or mechanical means, which further excarcebate the issue.

I always wondered why it's a big issue to throw weapons from internal bay, I think that sums it up..

 

[Samba]

Tolun is not a free-fall munition. Therefore, it engages the target on its own after releasing from the aircraft, and the turbulence generated during the release does not affect it."

Maybe internal calibration systems are effected more?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Tolun is not a free-fall munition. Therefore, it engages the target on its own after releasing from the aircraft, and the turbulence generated during the release does not affect it."

Aselsan's site says:

TOLUN-P​

TOLUN P is a INS/GNSS guided gliding all up round ready 250 lb. weapon system carried on Smart Pneumatic Quad Rack (SPQR) (SADAK-4T)

https://cdn.aselsan.com/aselsanweb-...ties/products/brochure/tolun-p/tolun-p-en.pdf

You should get your facts right mate.

Besides, even if it were turbojet powered, it wouldn't change anything. You would still have to deal with release dynamics.

EDIT

You would still have to deal with :
Seeker Acquisition problems: IIR, IR, or RF seekers can experience a delayed "lock-on" or distorted acquisition during going through this turbulent air beneath the aircraft fuselage.
Aeroacoustic problems: These causes high vibrations inside the open bay that would vibrate the internal seeker electronics, gyros, and inertial measurement units causing targeting faults before or during release.
Flow Disturbances: An abrupt transition from a calm internal bay to a near stormy air flowing bay would cause severe oscillations, and roll that could displace the munition off its intended initial trajectory.

 

[Afif]

Aselsan's site says:

TOLUN-P​

TOLUN P is a INS/GNSS guided gliding all up round ready 250 lb. weapon system carried on Smart Pneumatic Quad Rack (SPQR) (SADAK-4T)

https://cdn.aselsan.com/aselsanweb-...ties/products/brochure/tolun-p/tolun-p-en.pdf

You should get your facts right mate.
Besides, even if it were turbojet powered, it wouldn't change anything. You would still have to deal with release dynamics.

I think the point is, it has control surfaces to make meaningful course correction long after its release as it glides for extend period of time to reach extended range. Hence adverse release dynamics shouldn't effect terminal accuracy.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Aselsan's site says:

TOLUN-P​

TOLUN P is a INS/GNSS guided gliding all up round ready 250 lb. weapon system carried on Smart Pneumatic Quad Rack (SPQR) (SADAK-4T)

https://cdn.aselsan.com/aselsanweb-...ties/products/brochure/tolun-p/tolun-p-en.pdf

You should get your facts right mate.
Besides, even if it were turbojet powered, it wouldn't change anything. You would still have to deal with release dynamics.

I think he means because tolun spends more time in the air gliding the effect shouldn't be the same compared to teber which falls directly and has less time to correct its heading. I think its not necessary because of the iwb guided munition do not always hit their marks we have seen that before with LGK.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I think the point is, it has control surfaces to make meaningful course correction long after its release as it glides for extend period of time to reach extended range. Hence adverse release dynamics shouldn't affect terminal accuracy.

Re @Pokemonte13
I think he means because tolun spends more time in the air gliding the effect shouldn't be the same compared to teber which falls directly and has less time to correct its heading. I think its not necessary because of the iwb guided munition do not always hit their marks we have seen that before with LGK.

See

EDIT

please

Laser guided munitions should hit moving targets with precision.
There is no excuse if they can’t hit a stationary target.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2083448345729577163

 

[I_Love_F16]

Well, it’s not really a surprise. Anka-3 would be an exceptionally great asset when it finally becomes ready.

 

[mTT]

TEBER-82 & TOLUN-P Munition Firing Test from the Internal Weapons Bay

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[mTT]

ANKA - III

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2088263258725568544

 

[Tornadoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2088263258725568544

Not much with the external hardpoints and load

 

[emrebnc]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2088263258725568544

It looks like the nozzle moved into the body.