Defending Ourselves In Worlds Public Opinion

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I am so angry right now, so angry!!!

Anyone who has a brief experience of reddit or wikipedia or internet in general will know what I am talking about!
That ass-legged Greece, Cyprus, Armenia and Pkk accounts completely dominated a 83 million country Turkey in public diplomacy!!!

Look at this, LOOK AT THIS!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyfo (Seyfo allegedly means Assyrian genocide, you know because it is such an established historical fact(!) that it even has a nickname!)

The so called Greek genocide also allegedly includes the so called Pontic genocide the article warns(!)

What they refer to is basically Greeks of Trebizond founding a commitee(Pontus Rum Cemiyeti) to bind Trebizond to newly found Greek state/Greek mainland by taking advantage of the turmoil the empire is in. Keep in mind they are planning this as the minority of the city. They are %40 whereas the city is %60 Turkish. So they have to be the majority of the city first. They get armed and they start genociding Turks. Turks dont stay empty handed, they arm too to defend themselves so, a civil war begins. At the end Sakalli Nureddin Pasha arrives and supresses the civil war and the Greek rebellion.
So it is themselves who did/attempted the genocide but they shamelessly come and today accuse us of genocide!!!

Assyrians ally with French and get armed and rebel(genocide Turkish villages) to carve their nation state, fail, leave with the French for the bad blood they created, they call it Assyrian genocide.
Armenians form Tashnak and Hinchak commitees to seperate themselves, ally with Russians in east and French in south(even form legion d' orientale), genocide Turkish villages to be the majority(they were the majority in nowhere even in Van where they were the most populous they were only %40), backstab Turkish army, cut its supply lines and give result to catastrophe of Sarikamish in Caucasus front and state moves you to Syria for you to be away from Russian front and you call it genocide!

Greeks: I explained the Pontus one above, for the other Greeks they literally invaded Anatolia with their army and Hellenic people in Anatolia completely sold their 1000 old neighbours and cooperated with the invading army. They got defeated and escaped with the defeated invader army and they call it Greek genocide.

The real genocide was done to Turks! %40 of Yerevan was Turkish today %0 what happened to them? Why dont we pressure countries to recognise Turkish genocide by Armenians? What happened to Turks of Yerevan? I am asking somebody respond please?

In May 1821 Greeks genocided 300.000 unarmed civilian Turks in Greece including women and children. Why does nobody ask for reperation? Why does nobody ask for recognition? Even we Turks ourselves call it ''massacre'' what f***ing massacre? They literally killed 300.000 Turks without differating children and women. What the hell is genocide then? This is straight out genocide?
Why dont we demand reperations? Why dont we ask for recognition from Greece? Why dont we lobby in US for recognition? Why dont we lobby in Germany with our huge Turkish minority for recognition?

Even their priests recorded the humanity crimes they committed against Turks, even their priests!!!

The common nature/characteristic of all the Balkan countries ''revolutions'' of the 19th century was the genocide of their Turkish populations. All of a sudden 2.5 million Turks were genocided.

Today when I type ''Turkish genocide'' to google I see: ''list of massacres in Turkey'' : still about our alleged warcrimes!!!

YOU WOULD THINK THERE WAS NO TURK THAT WAS EVER MISBEHAVED WTF WIKIPEDIA?

About the 3 alleged genocides above in wikipedia. Those hardworking pricks translated each of them to 9 LANGUAGES including TURKISH.

There is not even ONE article in wikipedia about ''Turkish genocide'' EVEN IN TURKISH.

Back then they were limited with the so called Armenian genocide and only with 1915. Today they even ATTACK ATATURK saying he was responsible for the latter parts too!!!
and now they think we genocide Kurds!!!

What the hell have we been doing for the last 30 years? How could our state completely neglect such a vital topic?

Banning wikipedia obviously wasnt the way to go, the government was like an OSTRICH burying its head to the sand!

If you only hired only 1/50 the Aktrolls you have hired to defend yourself, maybe we wouldnt have lost the entire world public opinion right now! Change their public opinion if you can now! In subreddit of Turkey they still share Times cover with Ataturk picture and feel proud over it. It is from F***ING 1927! Is there anyone still alive that have read it I wonder? Or how many are there that reads the Times archives? I bet even the current Times employees are unaware of this cover.

So stop mast*****ing to newspaper covers from a century ago and feel worried about the current public diplomacy war that we have lost worse than the first Balkan War!!!
 
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There are a lot o factors you have to consider. Unfortunately it all starts with religion. Muslim religion was never accepted in the west and converting Hagia Sofia to a mosque makes things worse. Losing WW1 didn't help either and not buying equipment from your allies (for example s400 from Russia) also makes things worse. Not recognizing the Armenian genocide makes things worse. Bullying your neighbors is making things worse. I can go on and on...but it's pointless! Start by changing your government you will be back on track! Love and piece ✌️
 
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There are a lot o factors you have to consider. Unfortunately it all starts with religion. Muslim religion was never accepted in the west and converting Hagia Sofia to a mosque makes things worse. Losing WW1 didn't help either and not buying equipment from your allies (for example s400 from Russia) also makes things worse. Not recognizing the Armenian genocide makes things worse. Bullying your neighbors is making things worse. I can go on and on...but it's pointless! Start by changing your government you will be back on track! Love and piece ✌️

As if we are going to do all this to please you guys.

What matters is interests if Turkey has to turn athens into a glass crater to defend its interests and its homeland I would gladly support it.

Remember this greek there will never be peace among us.

We know true face of greek terrorism my parents come from the city of Eskisehir and its well known what you terrorists have done to this city.
 
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There was no Greek Genocide, Pontic irregular forces pushed during the Independence War for a Pontic state it was something like a civil war but they were crushed by Topal Osman and (Sakalli) Nurredin Pasha and male population was deported to Amasya, 450+ people were executed after a tribunal.
 

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As if we are going to do all this to please you guys.

Get the f out of here.

What matters is interests if Turkey has to turn athens into a glass crater to defend its interests and its homeland I would gladly support it.

Remember this greek there will never be peace among us.
People like you is the reason the whole planet is laughing in your country's face
 

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I am so angry right now, so angry!!!

Anyone who has a brief experience of reddit or wikipedia or internet in general will know what I am talking about!
That ass-legged Greece, Cyprus, Armenia and Pkk accounts completely dominated a 83 million country Turkey in public diplomacy!!!

Look at this, LOOK AT THIS!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyfo (Seyfo allegedly means Assyrian genocide, you know because it is such an established historical fact(!) that it even has a nickname!)

The so called Greek genocide also allegedly includes the so called Pontic genocide the article warns(!)

What they refer to is basically Greeks of Trebizond founding a commitee(Pontus Rum Cemiyeti) to bind Trebizond to newly found Greek state/Greek mainland by taking advantage of the turmoil the empire is in. Keep in mind they are planning this as the minority of the city. They are %40 whereas the city is %60 Turkish. So they have to be the majority of the city first. They get armed and they start genociding Turks. Turks dont stay empty handed, they arm too to defend themselves so, a civil war begins. At the end Sakalli Nureddin Pasha arrives and supresses the civil war and the Greek rebellion.
So it is themselves who did/attempted the genocide but they shamelessly come and today accuse us of genocide!!!

Assyrians ally with French and get armed and rebel(genocide Turkish villages) to carve their nation state, fail, leave with the French for the bad blood they created, they call it Assyrian genocide.
Armenians form Tashnak and Hinchak commitees to seperate themselves, ally with Russians in east and French in south(even form legion d' orientale), genocide Turkish villages to be the majority(they were the majority in nowhere even in Van where they were the most populous they were only %40), backstab Turkish army, cut its supply lines and give result to catastrophe of Sarikamish in Caucasus front and state moves you to Syria for you to be away from Russian front and you call it genocide!

Greeks: I explained the Pontus one above, for the other Greeks they literally invaded Anatolia with their army and Hellenic people in Anatolia completely sold their 1000 old neighbours and cooperated with the invading army. They got defeated and escaped with the defeated invader army and they call it Greek genocide.

The real genocide was done to Turks! %40 of Yerevan was Turkish today %0 what happened to them? Why dont we pressure countries to recognise Turkish genocide by Armenians? What happened to Turks of Yerevan? I am asking somebody respond please?

In May 1821 Greeks genocided 300.000 unarmed civilian Turks in Greece including women and children. Why does nobody ask for reperation? Why does nobody ask for recognition? Even we Turks ourselves call it ''massacre'' what f***ing massacre? They literally killed 300.000 Turks without differating children and women. What the hell is genocide then? This is straight out genocide?
Why dont we demand reperations? Why dont we ask for recognition from Greece? Why dont we lobby in US for recognition? Why dont we lobby in Germany with our huge Turkish minority for recognition?

Even their priests recorded the humanity crimes they committed against Turks, even their priests!!!

The common nature/characteristic of all the Balkan countries ''revolutions'' of the 19th century was the genocide of their Turkish populations. All of a sudden 2.5 million Turks were genocided.

Today when I type ''Turkish genocide'' to google I see: ''list of massacres in Turkey'' : still about our alleged warcrimes!!!

YOU WOULD THINK THERE WAS NO TURK THAT WAS EVER MISBEHAVED WTF WIKIPEDIA?

About the 3 alleged genocides above in wikipedia. Those hardworking pricks translated each of them to 9 LANGUAGES including TURKISH.

There is not even ONE article in wikipedia about ''Turkish genocide'' EVEN IN TURKISH.

Back then they were limited with the so called Armenian genocide and only with 1915. Today they even ATTACK ATATURK saying he was responsible for the latter parts too!!!
and now they think we genocide Kurds!!!

What the hell have we been doing for the last 30 years? How could our state completely neglect such a vital topic?

Banning wikipedia obviously wasnt the way to go, the government was like an OSTRICH burying its head to the sand!

If you only hired only 1/50 the Aktrolls you have hired to defend yourself, maybe we wouldnt have lost the entire world public opinion right now! Change their public opinion if you can now! In subreddit of Turkey they still share Times cover with Ataturk picture and feel proud over it. It is from F***ING 1927! Is there anyone still alive that have read it I wonder? Or how many are there that reads the Times archives? I bet even the current Times employees are unaware of this cover.

So stop mast*****ing to newspaper covers from a century ago and feel worried about the current public diplomacy war that we have lost worse than the first Balkan War!!!

It wont work we are seen as the bad guys.

Forget tayyip and his incompetent aktrolls.

When this bias and racism against Turks has been for centuries a part of Europe and the West. Its interwoven into the fabric of life.
 

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There was no Greek Genocide, Pontic irregular forces pushed during the Independence War for a Pontic state it was something like a civil war but they were crushed by Topal Osman and (Sakalli) Nurredin Pasha and male population was deported to Amasya, 450+ people were executed after a tribunal.
The Greeks also made atrocities! Thing like that, were normal in wars. Unfortunately. 😞😞
 

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People like you is the reason the whole planet is laughing in your country's face

Ahh yeah I think more people are laughing at greeks and their stupid victimhood mentality and how they believe the world owes them something due to Muh ancient Greece.

Also you lost cyprus 🤣🤣🤣🤣
 

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The Greeks also made atrocities! Thing like that, were normal in wars. Unfortunately. 😞😞

Most greeks either justify the atrocities or knowingly ignore it because it counters their bullshit genocide claims.
 

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@Vag The part in your post that violated the forum rules has been removed.


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Ahh yeah I think more people are laughing at greeks and their stupid victimhood mentality and how they believe the world owes them something due to Muh ancient Greece.

Also you lost cyprus 🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are wrong! We have nothing to prove. We respect our allies, friends and neighbors (EU & NATO). We seek and give help from and to our allies and our community, piecefully and with respect. Go to sleep now and dream of your Mavi vatan 😂😂😂😂
 

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@Vag The part in your post that violated the forum rules has been removed.


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That greek troll is going to turn this forum into their beloved waff.

Greeks cant live their lives without either seething or coping when it comes to Turks.

Cyprus should be recent lessons for us all. Give them an inch they will try to wipe us out.
 

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You are wrong! We have nothing to prove. We respect our allies, friends and neighbors (EU & NATO). We seek and give help from and to our allies and our community, piecefully and with respect. Go to sleep now and dream of your Mavi vatan 😂😂😂😂

Mavi Vatan is enough to trigger greeks.

Our Ships are in your claimed eez 🤣🤣🤣
 

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@Vag The part in your post that violated the forum rules has been removed.


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I don't think I wrote something insulting.
 

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There was no Greek Genocide, Pontic irregular forces pushed during the Independence War for a Pontic state it was something like a civil war but they were crushed by Topal Osman and (Sakalli) Nurredin Pasha and male population was deported to Amasya, 450+ people were executed after a tribunal.

Greeks, Armenians and Assyrians will engage in this sort of stuff when they get slapped they cry.

Only thing they won us is by crying and us Turks not doing anything to counter their claims.

Even if we did nobody will listen to us.
 

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That greek troll is going to turn this forum into their beloved waff.

Greeks cant live their lives without either seething or coping when it comes to Turks.

Cyprus should be recent lessons for us all. Give them an inch they will try to wipe us out

Mavi Vatan is enough to trigger greeks.

Our Ships are in your claimed eez 🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha I can't be trigged my friend. Seems that you are doing that! I am reasonable and I don't offend anyone!
 

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I don't think I wrote something insulting.
Dear @Vag
If you want the report button to work fairly when your country leader is insulted, you should show the same respect to other country leaders.
 

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That greek troll is going to turn this forum into their beloved waff.

Greeks cant live their lives without either seething or coping when it comes to Turks.

Cyprus should be recent lessons for us all. Give them an inch they will try to wipe us out.
Seriously? Why are you having the impression that any non-Turk, that doesn't necessarily agree to what you are saying, is trolling?
 

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This thread got watered so quickly this wasnt my intention for this thread.

@Vaz, @Tek7, @Combat Master, @Bogeyman, @Blackeyes90
Can any of you moderators remove all the posts here except the OP please?

Please guys stay on the topic.

@Vag
1- Muslim religion hardly matters anymore since we live in a secular World. Not only Europeans but even young Turks are shifting to deism and atheism. Polls show only %34 of Generation Z is still Muslim in Turkey.
2- I agree with you on Hagia Sophia that was a bad move. Ataturk made it a museum as a gesture to foreigners.
3- S400's are a fresh topic, I dont think public opinion cares about this.

4- In 2015 there was a lawsuit between Dogu Perincek and Switzerland. Previously, it was illegal in Switzerland to deny Armenian genocide. In 2015 due to the lack of any evidences regarding it was a genocide, European Court of Human Rights decided that saying there was no genocide is within the frame of freedom of speech.

In academy many historians, for example just a month ago a French historian came into same conclusion with Turkish side:

Here is an interview of Prof. Justin McCarthy:

Bernard Lewis, who is regarded as the father of Middle East historianism:

For some reason public opinion in west completely believes Armenian Genocide is an established historical fact and denying it is sth similiar to denying Holocoust.

People believe it because their parliaments(composed of politicians who cant even show Armenia on the map or recognise its flag) recognise it solely due to political reasons, fall offs with Turkey.
For example Biden will probably recognise it in 24 April this year. Because US is completely at odds with Turkey right now.

Well, deny Holocoust and see if European Court of Human Rights will decide if it is within the freedom of speech like they did with us. Of course they will not. Because the evidences are all over the place and there are no historians in the academy that deny it.

Not just that there is no evidence there is also evidence for the opposite. We have numberless telegraph examples from the military and administrational bureucratic organs' command chains about how the bureucratic organs of the state did its best to avoid any Armenian losses in the mass deportations.
Here are some of the photos of such telegraphs along with their English translation word by word:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...nd-if-orders-did-exist-how/answer/Ayse-T-Dogu
 

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