Defending Ourselves In Worlds Public Opinion

[Glass🚬]

The opinion of the west is irrelevant and global opinion ≠ western opinion.

 

[Vaggos]

I agree with you in many things. I am an atheist and I believe religion, in general, is this planet's cancer. But in some regions of the world being Muslim is hard (like the US). As far as the genocide is concerned the only thing I have to say is that each country writes its own history depending on its interests.

 

[Ardabas34]

I agree with you in many things. I am an atheist and I believe religion, in general, is this planet's cancer. But in some regions of the world being Muslim is hard (like the US). As far as the genocide is concerned the only thing I have to say is that each country writes its own history depending on its interests.

You may outright say genocide is real it is okay.

Another Armenian propaganda is that we forbade accepting Armenian genocide in Turkey.
They are trying to label us as a banana country with no freedom of speech!

There is literally a political party within the assembly that recognises Armenian genocide: HDP!!!

In 2010 an Armenian who believed in the genocide Sevan Nisanyan and the head of Turkish History Institution: Yusuf Halacoglu discussed the genocide for hours. In fact at some points Sevan straight out insulted Halacoglu and Halacoglu remained calm. They even made a round 2 two weeks later. They at the end finished friendly with opposing views. By agreeing to disagree.

9 March 2010

25 March 2010

In Armenia on the other hand, they would crucify any Turk who denies.

Even in France, where Armenian diaspora is very strong, they literally excommunicated Bernard Lewis a much respected historian and charged him for 1 pound symbolically.

They label us Turks as savages who cant take a different opinion. Hell, we are way more democrat people than France for this instance and France is a third party here!

I insist we must be the only country who tolerate a party like HDP(who constantly praises PKK, foundation period traitors and insults Ataturk) within our assembly. I say within our assembly, not just a political party!

 

[CAN_TR]

You may outright say genocide is real it is okay.

Another Armenian propaganda is that we forbade accepting Armenian genocide in Turkey.
They are trying to label us as a banana country with no freedom of speech!

There is literally a political party within the assembly that recognises Armenian genocide: HDP!!!

In 2010 an Armenian who believed in the genocide Sevan Nisanyan and the head of Turkish History Institution: Yusuf Halacoglu discussed the genocide for hours. In fact at some points Sevan straight out insulted Halacoglu and Halacoglu remained calm. They even made a round 2 two weeks later. They at the end finished friendly with opposing views. By agreeing to disagree.

9 March 2010

WOW, how he tries to link 1915 with the Turkish Republic founded 8 years later until now and still accuses us with crimes against Armenians.

Cleaning operations against Armenians and Greeks (probably forget the population exchange 1923), how he tries to rename the crushing of Armenian Revolts in Adana as a massacre by Turks against Armenians.

 

[Ryder]

This thread got watered so quickly this wasnt my intention for this thread.

@Vaz, @Tek7, @Combat Master, @Bogeyman, @Blackeyes90
Can any of you moderators remove all the posts here except the OP please?

Please guys stay on the topic.

@Vag
1- Muslim religion hardly matters anymore since we live in a secular World. Not only Europeans but even young Turks are shifting to deism and atheism. Polls show only %34 of Generation Z is still Muslim in Turkey.
2- I agree with you on Hagia Sophia that was a bad move. Ataturk made it a museum as a gesture to foreigners.
3- S400's are a fresh topic, I dont think public opinion cares about this.

4- In 2015 there was a lawsuit between Dogu Perincek and Switzerland. Previously, it was illegal in Switzerland to deny Armenian genocide. In 2015 due to the lack of any evidences regarding it was a genocide, European Court of Human Rights decided that saying there was no genocide is within the frame of freedom of speech.

In academy many historians, for example just a month ago a French historian came into same conclusion with Turkish side:

No basis to define 1915 events as genocide: French historian Gauin

French historian Maxime Gauin said that the events of 1915 cannot be identified as genocide as there was no systematic massacre and at least 350,000...

www.dailysabah.com

Here is an interview of Prof. Justin McCarthy:

Bernard Lewis, who is regarded as the father of Middle East historianism:

For some reason public opinion in west completely believes Armenian Genocide is an established historical fact and denying it is sth similiar to denying Holocoust.

People believe it because their parliaments(composed of politicians who cant even show Armenia on the map or recognise its flag) recognise it solely due to political reasons, fall offs with Turkey.
For example Biden will probably recognise it in 24 April this year. Because US is completely at odds with Turkey right now.

Well, deny Holocoust and see if European Court of Human Rights will decide if it is within the freedom of speech like they did with us. Of course they will not. Because the evidences are all over the place and there are no historians in the academy that deny it.

Not just that there is no evidence there is also evidence for the opposite. We have numberless telegraph examples from the military and administrational bureucratic organs' command chains about how the bureucratic organs of the state did its best to avoid any Armenian losses in the mass deportations.
Here are some of the photos of such telegraphs along with their English translation word by word:
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-th...nd-if-orders-did-exist-how/answer/Ayse-T-Dogu

Hagia Sophia became a mosque again which I say is the right move.

We own the place. Spoils of war.

Plus Hagia sophia is a religious building you have people coming in with miniskirts in a religious building.

 

[Ardabas34]

Hagia Sophia became a mosque again which I say is the right move.

We own the place. Spoils of war.

Plus Hagia sophia is a religious building you have people coming in with miniskirts in a religious building.

Technically it is Ataturks spoil of war then.
The Constantinople which Mehmet II conquered was occupied by British.
Ataturk is the last commander that captured the city.

So it is technically Ataturks spoil of war and his desicion on the matter was for Hagia Sophia to be a museum.

''Plus Hagia sophia is a religious building you have people coming in with miniskirts in a religious building.''

Hagia Sophia doesnt have a special situation in none of the religions. Even if it had, it is none of your business to interfere with peoples dressing choices.

Hagia Sophia is a relic of the humankind and every people from every belief with every dressing choice has the right to go and see there.

I bet you also go around and complain about how universities didnt use to take women with headscarf in 90s. Hypocrisy, hypocrisy , hypocrisy.

 

[Anmdt]

Wikipedia is not an open encyclopedia, it is managed and governed by a small group of elites (elites in terms of concent creating)
Moreover, it is a pile of trash on sensitive matters. Only a few of those elites actually rightful and would really look for trustworthy and acknowledged sources.

The remainin uses the sources as they like, crops the sentences, never obeys to intactness of a paragraph while quoting according to their taste regardless of the quality or trustworthiness
I served my time in wikipedia up to a time which i encountered one of those elites on a scientific page linked to my area, and meanwhile i was writing my thesis i started to correct the page with reliable sources, books, articles. He was a moderator and he simply blocked me from writing claiming i was a troll and conducting.
I have also tried to modify some sensitive pages related with Turkey using international sources, articles and such all edits were eventually reverted claiming it was a vandalism/rogue editing.
Meanwhile i respected the guideline by first creating a discussion regarding to the edit and doing the edit when they didn't care to answer for the request.

So, in short wikipedia is an encylopedia in all the ways written and overseen by a small group of the elites who does the most contribution (somehow, due to the fact that keeping other contributors out).

 

[Anmdt]

every belief with every dressing choice has the right to go and see there

I dont agree, everyone should respect belief of others. It was wrong for people to not respect other's sensitiveness. If a church or mosque can not be visited with mini skirt. Then hagia sophia shouldn't as well.
Hagia sophia should have had a special status, apart from being a mosque, church or museum, it should have had a religious/sacred place status without emphasizing any religion.

And now it is part of a political show. Everyone has known they would make it entirely a show.

 

[Sinan]

I am so angry right now, so angry!!!

Anyone who has a brief experience of reddit or wikipedia or internet in general will know what I am talking about!
That ass-legged Greece, Cyprus, Armenia and Pkk accounts completely dominated a 83 million country Turkey in public diplomacy!!!

Look at this, LOOK AT THIS!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyfo (Seyfo allegedly means Assyrian genocide, you know because it is such an established historical fact(!) that it even has a nickname!)

The so called Greek genocide also allegedly includes the so called Pontic genocide the article warns(!)

What they refer to is basically Greeks of Trebizond founding a commitee(Pontus Rum Cemiyeti) to bind Trebizond to newly found Greek state/Greek mainland by taking advantage of the turmoil the empire is in. Keep in mind they are planning this as the minority of the city. They are %40 whereas the city is %60 Turkish. So they have to be the majority of the city first. They get armed and they start genociding Turks. Turks dont stay empty handed, they arm too to defend themselves so, a civil war begins. At the end Sakalli Nureddin Pasha arrives and supresses the civil war and the Greek rebellion.
So it is themselves who did/attempted the genocide but they shamelessly come and today accuse us of genocide!!!

Assyrians ally with French and get armed and rebel(genocide Turkish villages) to carve their nation state, fail, leave with the French for the bad blood they created, they call it Assyrian genocide.
Armenians form Tashnak and Hinchak commitees to seperate themselves, ally with Russians in east and French in south(even form legion d' orientale), genocide Turkish villages to be the majority(they were the majority in nowhere even in Van where they were the most populous they were only %40), backstab Turkish army, cut its supply lines and give result to catastrophe of Sarikamish in Caucasus front and state moves you to Syria for you to be away from Russian front and you call it genocide!

Greeks: I explained the Pontus one above, for the other Greeks they literally invaded Anatolia with their army and Hellenic people in Anatolia completely sold their 1000 old neighbours and cooperated with the invading army. They got defeated and escaped with the defeated invader army and they call it Greek genocide.

The real genocide was done to Turks! %40 of Yerevan was Turkish today %0 what happened to them? Why dont we pressure countries to recognise Turkish genocide by Armenians? What happened to Turks of Yerevan? I am asking somebody respond please?

In May 1821 Greeks genocided 300.000 unarmed civilian Turks in Greece including women and children. Why does nobody ask for reperation? Why does nobody ask for recognition? Even we Turks ourselves call it ''massacre'' what f***ing massacre? They literally killed 300.000 Turks without differating children and women. What the hell is genocide then? This is straight out genocide?
Why dont we demand reperations? Why dont we ask for recognition from Greece? Why dont we lobby in US for recognition? Why dont we lobby in Germany with our huge Turkish minority for recognition?

Even their priests recorded the humanity crimes they committed against Turks, even their priests!!!

The common nature/characteristic of all the Balkan countries ''revolutions'' of the 19th century was the genocide of their Turkish populations. All of a sudden 2.5 million Turks were genocided.

Today when I type ''Turkish genocide'' to google I see: ''list of massacres in Turkey'' : still about our alleged warcrimes!!!

YOU WOULD THINK THERE WAS NO TURK THAT WAS EVER MISBEHAVED WTF WIKIPEDIA?

About the 3 alleged genocides above in wikipedia. Those hardworking pricks translated each of them to 9 LANGUAGES including TURKISH.

There is not even ONE article in wikipedia about ''Turkish genocide'' EVEN IN TURKISH.

Back then they were limited with the so called Armenian genocide and only with 1915. Today they even ATTACK ATATURK saying he was responsible for the latter parts too!!!
and now they think we genocide Kurds!!!

What the hell have we been doing for the last 30 years? How could our state completely neglect such a vital topic?

Banning wikipedia obviously wasnt the way to go, the government was like an OSTRICH burying its head to the sand!

If you only hired only 1/50 the Aktrolls you have hired to defend yourself, maybe we wouldnt have lost the entire world public opinion right now! Change their public opinion if you can now! In subreddit of Turkey they still share Times cover with Ataturk picture and feel proud over it. It is from F***ING 1927! Is there anyone still alive that have read it I wonder? Or how many are there that reads the Times archives? I bet even the current Times employees are unaware of this cover.

So stop mast*****ing to newspaper covers from a century ago and feel worried about the current public diplomacy war that we have lost worse than the first Balkan War!!!

One of the many consequences for being ruled by a autoratic one man regime.

In a country where NGOs and associations is limited, being treaited as organizations of traitors. There won't be a group to challenge these issues. Also Turkey being a lawless country most of the groups are "rights" groups. No effort remain for these issues.

 

[Ryder]

Technically it is Ataturks spoil of war then.
The Constantinople which Mehmet II conquered was occupied by British.
Ataturk is the last commander that captured the city.

So it is technically Ataturks spoil of war and his desicion on the matter was for Hagia Sophia to be a museum.

''Plus Hagia sophia is a religious building you have people coming in with miniskirts in a religious building.''

Hagia Sophia doesnt have a special situation in none of the religions. Even if it had, it is none of your business to interfere with peoples dressing choices.

Hagia Sophia is a relic of the humankind and every people from every belief with every dressing choice has the right to go and see there.

I bet you also go around and complain about how universities didnt use to take women with headscarf in 90s. Hypocrisy, hypocrisy , hypocrisy.

Ataturk did not conquer istanbul he liberated it. Istanbul was a Turkish city under foreign occupation.

Hagia sophia symbolises Turkish power. It cements Turkish rule and Islamic rule in the region.

Turks have made anatolia their home since 1071. Basically we have the will to turn Hagia sophia to whatever we want.

In short i dont care for Tayyip here when I have been saying for ages that it should be a mosque.

Before you start pulling the extremist card. I practice my religion while at the same time i do my best while a lot of times well you know I falter a lot. What can I do im human at the end of the day. Religion is like a 24/7 affair if only you are willing to be devout.

Im not the kind of person who can keep religion 24/7 in their lives.

I still believe religion is important and especially holding beliefs because with beliefs it gives a purpose in life.

By the way the Spanish conquered Cordoba mosque they still use it as a Cathedral despite Spain being a secular country. You know why?? Conquest of Cordoba and turning the Grand mosque symbolised victory and the spoils of war.

So why should we cuck for peoples who dont like us?? Secularism does not mean you bend the knees.

 

[Ryder]

Wikipedia is not an open encyclopedia, it is managed and governed by a small group of elites (elites in terms of concent creating)
Moreover, it is a pile of trash on sensitive matters. Only a few of those elites actually rightful and would really look for trustworthy and acknowledged sources.

The remainin uses the sources as they like, crops the sentences, never obeys to intactness of a paragraph while quoting according to their taste regardless of the quality or trustworthiness
I served my time in wikipedia up to a time which i encountered one of those elites on a scientific page linked to my area, and meanwhile i was writing my thesis i started to correct the page with reliable sources, books, articles. He was a moderator and he simply blocked me from writing claiming i was a troll and conducting.
I have also tried to modify some sensitive pages related with Turkey using international sources, articles and such all edits were eventually reverted claiming it was a vandalism/rogue editing.
Meanwhile i respected the guideline by first creating a discussion regarding to the edit and doing the edit when they didn't care to answer for the request.

So, in short wikipedia is an encylopedia in all the ways written and overseen by a small group of the elites who does the most contribution (somehow, due to the fact that keeping other contributors out).

Explains why my university banned wikipedia.

Even in our classes the teachers did not allow us to use wikipedia as a source. Even when doing the asssesments they said no wikipedia if you use wikipedia as a source you can even cop a fail.

 

[Costin84]

Ataturk did not conquer istanbul he liberated it. Istanbul was a Turkish city under foreign occupation.

Hagia sophia symbolises Turkish power. It cements Turkish rule and Islamic rule in the region.

Turks have made anatolia their home since 1071. Basically we have the will to turn Hagia sophia to whatever we want.

In short i dont care for Tayyip here when I have been saying for ages that it should be a mosque.

Before you start pulling the extremist card. I practice my religion while at the same time i do my best while a lot of times well you know I falter a lot. What can I do im human at the end of the day. Religion is like a 24/7 affair if only you are willing to be devout.

Im not the kind of person who can keep religion 24/7 in their lives.

I still believe religion is important and especially holding beliefs because with beliefs it gives a purpose in life.

By the way the Spanish conquered Cordoba mosque they still use it as a Cathedral despite Spain being a secular country. You know why?? Conquest of Cordoba and turning the Grand mosque symbolised victory and the spoils of war.

So why should we cuck for peoples who dont like us?? Secularism does not mean you bend the knees.

Just for the sake of historical accuracy, the Spanish REconquered Cordoba and REturned the Cathedral to its original purpose.

 

[ekemenirtu]

There are a lot o factors you have to consider. Unfortunately it all starts with religion. Muslim religion was never accepted in the west and converting Hagia Sofia to a mosque makes things worse. Losing WW1 didn't help either and not buying equipment from your allies (for example s400 from Russia) also makes things worse. Not recognizing the Armenian genocide makes things worse. Bullying your neighbors is making things worse. I can go on and on...but it's pointless! Start by changing your government you will be back on track! Love and piece

If that is truly the case, then Turkey has no business being an ally of NATO members.

Then, the West also has no business promoting such contradictory ideas as tolerance, diversity and even multiculturalism. Going so far as shoving it down the throats of much of the developing world.

 

[Ryder]

Just for the sake of historical accuracy, the Spanish REconquered Cordoba and REturned the Cathedral to its original purpose.

Before that it was a temple. The Church only formed a part of the Grand Mosque's complex not the whole thing.

 

[Ryder]

If that is truly the case, then Turkey has no business being an ally of NATO members.

Then, the West also has no business promoting such contradictory ideas as tolerance, diversity and even multiculturalism. Going so far as shoving it down the throats of much of the developing world.

"Secular" Europe even told Turkey it cant be a EU member because its a christiam club.

 

[Vaggos]

If that is truly the case, then Turkey has no business being an ally of NATO members.

Then, the West also has no business promoting such contradictory ideas as tolerance, diversity and even multiculturalism. Going so far as shoving it down the throats of much of the developing world.

After 9/11 Muslims became more isolated in US and people were more suspicious towards them (mostly Republicans). As far as NATO is concerned, it's all about geopolitics. Turkey is the gateway of Asia and is convinient having a friend in such a strategic post.

 

[ekemenirtu]

After 9/11 Muslims became more isolated in US and people were more suspicious towards them (mostly Republicans). As far as NATO is concerned, it's all about geopolitics. Turkey is the gateway of Asia and is convinient having a friend in such a strategic post.

Then, the West has no business telling other societies off and trying to impose its views on diversity, tolerance and even multiculturalism on others.

Its invasion, bombing, killing, maiming of innocents and numerous other crimes against humanity all around the world, but particularly in the Middle East-North Africa-Central Asia corridor (a region without any strong global or regional power) stands in stark contrast to its claims as defenders of humanity, human rights, freedoms and other appealing ideals.

It has been the West - collectively - that has been the greatest purveyor of violence throught humanity's collective history and also, over the last 20 years. By all means, it is the collective West which should be judged on Humanity's "Court of Justice" (rather than in the ICJ, which is based in the West, thus rendering such a hypothetical effort meaningless).

You can not have your cake and eat it too.

If the West is against Islam, they have no business allying with Turkey within NATO, or with despicable monarchies in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and such, or with autocratic rule in Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Bangladesh, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and such.

 

[KKF 2.0]

I am so angry right now, so angry!!!

Anyone who has a brief experience of reddit or wikipedia or internet in general will know what I am talking about!
That ass-legged Greece, Cyprus, Armenia and Pkk accounts completely dominated a 83 million country Turkey in public diplomacy!!!

Look at this, LOOK AT THIS!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyfo (Seyfo allegedly means Assyrian genocide, you know because it is such an established historical fact(!) that it even has a nickname!)

The so called Greek genocide also allegedly includes the so called Pontic genocide the article warns(!)

What they refer to is basically Greeks of Trebizond founding a commitee(Pontus Rum Cemiyeti) to bind Trebizond to newly found Greek state/Greek mainland by taking advantage of the turmoil the empire is in. Keep in mind they are planning this as the minority of the city. They are %40 whereas the city is %60 Turkish. So they have to be the majority of the city first. They get armed and they start genociding Turks. Turks dont stay empty handed, they arm too to defend themselves so, a civil war begins. At the end Sakalli Nureddin Pasha arrives and supresses the civil war and the Greek rebellion.
So it is themselves who did/attempted the genocide but they shamelessly come and today accuse us of genocide!!!

Assyrians ally with French and get armed and rebel(genocide Turkish villages) to carve their nation state, fail, leave with the French for the bad blood they created, they call it Assyrian genocide.
Armenians form Tashnak and Hinchak commitees to seperate themselves, ally with Russians in east and French in south(even form legion d' orientale), genocide Turkish villages to be the majority(they were the majority in nowhere even in Van where they were the most populous they were only %40), backstab Turkish army, cut its supply lines and give result to catastrophe of Sarikamish in Caucasus front and state moves you to Syria for you to be away from Russian front and you call it genocide!

Greeks: I explained the Pontus one above, for the other Greeks they literally invaded Anatolia with their army and Hellenic people in Anatolia completely sold their 1000 old neighbours and cooperated with the invading army. They got defeated and escaped with the defeated invader army and they call it Greek genocide.

The real genocide was done to Turks! %40 of Yerevan was Turkish today %0 what happened to them? Why dont we pressure countries to recognise Turkish genocide by Armenians? What happened to Turks of Yerevan? I am asking somebody respond please?

In May 1821 Greeks genocided 300.000 unarmed civilian Turks in Greece including women and children. Why does nobody ask for reperation? Why does nobody ask for recognition? Even we Turks ourselves call it ''massacre'' what f***ing massacre? They literally killed 300.000 Turks without differating children and women. What the hell is genocide then? This is straight out genocide?
Why dont we demand reperations? Why dont we ask for recognition from Greece? Why dont we lobby in US for recognition? Why dont we lobby in Germany with our huge Turkish minority for recognition?

Even their priests recorded the humanity crimes they committed against Turks, even their priests!!!

The common nature/characteristic of all the Balkan countries ''revolutions'' of the 19th century was the genocide of their Turkish populations. All of a sudden 2.5 million Turks were genocided.

Today when I type ''Turkish genocide'' to google I see: ''list of massacres in Turkey'' : still about our alleged warcrimes!!!

YOU WOULD THINK THERE WAS NO TURK THAT WAS EVER MISBEHAVED WTF WIKIPEDIA?

About the 3 alleged genocides above in wikipedia. Those hardworking pricks translated each of them to 9 LANGUAGES including TURKISH.

There is not even ONE article in wikipedia about ''Turkish genocide'' EVEN IN TURKISH.

Back then they were limited with the so called Armenian genocide and only with 1915. Today they even ATTACK ATATURK saying he was responsible for the latter parts too!!!
and now they think we genocide Kurds!!!

What the hell have we been doing for the last 30 years? How could our state completely neglect such a vital topic?

Banning wikipedia obviously wasnt the way to go, the government was like an OSTRICH burying its head to the sand!

If you only hired only 1/50 the Aktrolls you have hired to defend yourself, maybe we wouldnt have lost the entire world public opinion right now! Change their public opinion if you can now! In subreddit of Turkey they still share Times cover with Ataturk picture and feel proud over it. It is from F***ING 1927! Is there anyone still alive that have read it I wonder? Or how many are there that reads the Times archives? I bet even the current Times employees are unaware of this cover.

So stop mast*****ing to newspaper covers from a century ago and feel worried about the current public diplomacy war that we have lost worse than the first Balkan War!!!

You sound like a hot blooded youngster who accesses the Internet for the first time in his life and is overwhelmed by the sheer amount of propaganda that he is experiencing. How old are you?

 

[Vaggos]

Then, the West has no business telling other societies off and trying to impose its views on diversity, tolerance and even multiculturalism on others.

Its invasion, bombing, killing, maiming of innocents and numerous other crimes against humanity all around the world, but particularly in the Middle East-North Africa-Central Asia corridor (a region without any strong global or regional power) stands in stark contrast to its claims as defenders of humanity, human rights, freedoms and other appealing ideals.

It has been the West - collectively - that has been the greatest purveyor of violence throught humanity's collective history and also, over the last 20 years. By all means, it is the collective West which should be judged on Humanity's "Court of Justice" (rather than in the ICJ, which is based in the West, thus rendering such a hypothetical effort meaningless).

You can not have your cake and eat it too.

If the West is against Islam, they have no business allying with Turkey within NATO, or with despicable monarchies in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain and such, or with autocratic rule in Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Bangladesh, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and such.

I totally agree! It's just business for the USA. But I wonder, why all these eastern countries you mention accepted the alliance? It's just business for them to! No one cares about Yemen, Syria etc... No one cared about the atrocities of European colonialists. It's just business

 

[ekemenirtu]

I totally agree! It's just business for the USA. But I wonder, why all these eastern countries you mention accepted the alliance? It's just business for them to! No one cares about Yemen, Syria etc... No one cared about the atrocities of European colonialists. It's just business

These Eastern countries are mostly ruled by despots installed by the West at the point of a proverbial gun.

A great example is that of Egypt. Where their first democratically elected government was toppled by a military dictatorship in a coup backed by the West and its regional proxies within a mere 2 years of the election.

It is my understanding that dictators installed by the West are easier for them to control than popularly elected leaders.