TR Marine Mavi Vatan (Blue Homeland)

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1363066736459743241

Greek FAC around Kizilhisar

 

[Bogeyman]

The USA is preparing to carry out DEFENDER Europe 2021 exercise in Dedeağaç with Greece. The USA will participate in the exercise with 150 combat helicopters (110 Black Hawk, 25 Apache and 10 Chinook heavy transport helicopters). 1800 armored vehicles, including tanks, will participate in the exercise.

150 Savaş Helikopteri Dedeağaç'a Geliyor

Yunan-Amerikan kuvvetleri İskeçe'de atış eğitim tatbikatları gerçekleştirecek. Apache saldırı helikopterleri de dahil olmak üzere toplam 150'den fazla

birlikgazetesi.org

 

[Bogeyman]

The Ministry of National Defense announced that in November-December 2020, in the north and west of Lesbos Island and in the north of Chios and Ahikerya Islands, the HS Naftilos research ship of the Greek Naval Forces carried out underwater work and the reciprocity requirement was responded in the same way.

Yunanistan'ın Ege'de gerginliği tırmandıran faaliyetleri devam ediyor

Yunanistan'ın, Türkiye ile "istişari görüşmelerin" başladığı 25 Ocak'tan bu yana "Ege'de gerginliği tırmandırmaya yönelik tatbikattan denizaltı görevlerine kadar birçok faaliyeti yerine getirdiği, uzlaşmaz tutumlarına devam ettiği" bildirildi. - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[Turko]

Having watched Cahit Yaycı on Habertürk last night, i start feeling kinda looser. What i understand According to his word , we don't have anything to do but war.

He also underlined that when Greeksn had expanded coast by 6 miles , we shouldn't have accepted it. İt was scandalous act repeating them and making 6 miles. He says we should turn back Lozan treaty which limits coast maximum 3 miles.

Aegean sea seems to be lost for us with 6 miles coasts.

 

[Vaggos]

Having watched Cahit Yaycı on Habertürk last night, i start feeling kinda looser. What i understand According to his word , we don't have anything to do but war.

He also underlined that when Greeksn had expanded coast by 6 miles , we shouldn't have accepted it. İt was scandalous act repeating them and making 6 miles. He says we should turn back Lozan treaty which limits coast maximum 3 miles.

Aegean sea seems to be lost for us with 6 miles coasts.

Immagine what is going to happen if they expand to 12nm, like what we did in Ionian Sea recently. But in my opinion it's not going to happen.

 

[CAN_TR]

12nm is casus belli.

They expanded their coast from 3 to 6nm as a sign of good will from the Turkish side (idiots) Greeks will never declare 12nm in the Aegean, only talk about it.

 

[Glass🚬]

Immagine what is going to happen if they expand to 12nm, like what we did in Ionian Sea recently. But in my opinion it's not going to happen.

I can tell u what could happen if u dont know ur place: The islands in the aegean (every single one) will be under Turkish control.

 

[Vaggos]

12nm is casus belli.

They expanded their coast from 3 to 6nm as a sign of good will from the Turkish side (idiots) Greeks will never declare 12nm in the Aegean, only talk about it.

It's not a legal casus belli, because Greece has every right to do it. Anyway it's not going to happen (exept Crete), so everyone will be happy at the end.

 

[Blackeyes90]

It's not a legal casus belli, because Greece has every right to do it. Anyway it's not going to happen (exept Crete), so everyone will be happy at the end.

Casus belli is casus belli. There is no legality aspect of it. It is " legal " for Turkey , because there is a binding Turkish decision in 1990's if Greece declares 12 NM limit in Agean Sea.

 

[Sinan]

It's not a legal casus belli, because Greece has every right to do it. Anyway it's not going to happen (exept Crete), so everyone will be happy at the end.

Blocking access to open waters is a Casus Belli for every country. UN definition is kind of worthless.

 

[Vaggos]

Blocking access to open waters is a Casus Belli for every country. UN definition is kind of worthless.

I know. that's why it's not going to happen. Aegean is a particular case

 

[Foulgrim]

Blocking access to open waters is a Casus Belli for every country. UN definition is kind of worthless.

The research vessel Cesme through NAVTEX that has been published is doing hydrographic research in international territorial waters, so far there is no irregularity. However, this area belongs to the Aegialitida Zone of Greece and it is forbidden to conduct explorations in the marine subsoil without the approval of the Greek side, so it must remain if it wants in the context of hydrographic research and nothing else. All this, of course, according to the Law of the Sea of 1982. Casus Belli is an irregular and pirate argument of Turkey against Greece. It is absurd for Turkey to threaten Greece with war if it proceeds to exercise its own rights! The 12 nautical miles do not restrict the freedoms of foreign ships in the Aegean as according to the right of free navigation based on the Law of the Sea of 1982 any ship can pass through the safe passage! It is a legal right of any ship, regardless of country, to pass through the territorial waters of the Exclusive Economic Zone of another state with the argument of safe passage. So the argument that with 12 nautical miles Greece will make the Aegean a "Greek lake" does not exist and that is why the USA and Russia no longer object. The problem is not legal but political as Greece does not exercise its own sovereign rights. Why he does this is another conversation.

 

[Turko]

The research vessel Cesme through NAVTEX that has been published is doing hydrographic research in international territorial waters, so far there is no irregularity. However, this area belongs to the Aegialitida Zone of Greece and it is forbidden to conduct explorations in the marine subsoil without the approval of the Greek side, so it must remain if it wants in the context of hydrographic research and nothing else. All this, of course, according to the Law of the Sea of 1982. Casus Belli is an irregular and pirate argument of Turkey against Greece. It is absurd for Turkey to threaten Greece with war if it proceeds to exercise its own rights! The 12 nautical miles do not restrict the freedoms of foreign ships in the Aegean as according to the right of free navigation based on the Law of the Sea of 1982 any ship can pass through the safe passage! It is a legal right of any ship, regardless of country, to pass through the territorial waters of the Exclusive Economic Zone of another state with the argument of safe passage. So the argument that with 12 nautical miles Greece will make the Aegean a "Greek lake" does not exist and that is why the USA and Russia no longer object. The problem is not legal but political as Greece does not exercise its own sovereign rights. Why he does this is another conversation.

How comes you have drawn EEZ which occupies Turkish continental shelf.
I know maritime law so that islands don't generate EEZ.

If you expand coasts by 12 miles, All commercial vessels will have to rise greek flag which means aggressive behavior and violation of international law.
Noway we will allow you.

 

[GoatsMilk]

greece has no power to enfoce anything and Turkish power is only growing.

 

[Foulgrim]

How comes you have drawn EEZ which occupies Turkish continental shelf.
I know maritime law so that islands don't generate EEZ.

If you expand coasts by 12 miles, All commercial vessels will have to rise greek flag which means aggressive behavior and violation of international law.
Noway we will allow you.

When the Exclusive Economic Zone (200 nautical miles from the coast) of Greece occupies (sits above) part of the Exclusive Economic Zone of Turkey then this problem is solved by the middle line method. The territorial waters of Greece can be extended (according to the Law of the Sea of 1982) to 12 nautical miles in the southeastern Aegean regardless of whether they "collide" with the 12 nautical miles of Turkey because in this hypothetical scenario the issue is again resolved with the midline method. I remind you that due to the threat of war from Turkey, Greece is the only country in the world that has not increased its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. It is not possible to say that the Aegean is a special case because there are other cases like the Aegean, but the states find a middle ground between them according to the Law of the Sea. This is the responsibility of the political leadership of Greece, which does not declare the request to increase its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. If this had happened, the issue of the Exclusive Economic Zone as well as the Aegialitida Zone would have been determined. All the problems start with the threat of war from Turkey and the fact that the Greek governments do not recognize the increase of territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. As for the raising of the Greek flag in its territorial waters, I do not think this is a problem. Ships crossing the Bosphorus Straits are also required to fly the Turkish flag. There is no violation of this, a formal procedure is more than substantial. Turkey plays its own geopolitical games in the region, even in a pirated and threatening way many times. The issue is what the Greek governments have done for so many years, that is the question.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Zonmar-en.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/EEZ_el.jpg

 

[Turko]

When the Exclusive Economic Zone (200 nautical miles from the coast) of Greece occupies (sits above) part of the Exclusive Economic Zone of Turkey then this problem is solved by the middle line method. The territorial waters of Greece can be extended (according to the Law of the Sea of 1982) to 12 nautical miles in the southeastern Aegean regardless of whether they "collide" with the 12 nautical miles of Turkey because in this hypothetical scenario the issue is again resolved with the midline method. I remind you that due to the threat of war from Turkey, Greece is the only country in the world that has not increased its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. It is not possible to say that the Aegean is a special case because there are other cases like the Aegean, but the states find a middle ground between them according to the Law of the Sea. This is the responsibility of the political leadership of Greece, which does not declare the request to increase its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. If this had happened, the issue of the Exclusive Economic Zone as well as the Aegialitida Zone would have been determined. All the problems start with the threat of war from Turkey and the fact that the Greek governments do not recognize the increase of territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. As for the raising of the Greek flag in its territorial waters, I do not think this is a problem. Ships crossing the Bosphorus Straits are also required to fly the Turkish flag. There is no violation of this, a formal procedure is more than substantial. Turkey plays its own geopolitical games in the region, even in a pirated and threatening way many times. The issue is what the Greek governments have done for so many years, that is the question.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Zonmar-en.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/EEZ_el.jpg

İt's great finally you acknowledged Greeks are expansionist aggressors who create problem in the region.
While Greece doesn't touch international waters, we have peace in the Aegean sea.
Keep your hand from international waters, the sea belongs to fishes as your former prime minister said.

 

[Foulgrim]

İt's great finally you acknowledged Greeks are expansionist aggressors who create problem in the region.
While Greece doesn't touch international waters, we have peace in the Aegean sea.
Keep your hand from international waters, the sea belongs to fishes as your former prime minister said.

The settlement of the Exclusive Economic Zone and the territorial waters with the method of the middle line is an aggressive behavior of Greece? Since when is this absurdity valid? That is, Oruc Reis's unilateral research activity (on the seabed with sonar that is illegal) last summer was not aggressive behavior? And that's where Oruc Reis went to do research in international waters! The former Prime Minister of Greece (Mr. Tsipras) was a state-owned politician like everyone else. The Greek people did not vote for him to say such nonsense. If the Aegean belongs to its fish then we should migrate to mainland Greece!

 

[Melkor]

When the Exclusive Economic Zone (200 nautical miles from the coast) of Greece occupies (sits above) part of the Exclusive Economic Zone of Turkey then this problem is solved by the middle line method. The territorial waters of Greece can be extended (according to the Law of the Sea of 1982) to 12 nautical miles in the southeastern Aegean regardless of whether they "collide" with the 12 nautical miles of Turkey because in this hypothetical scenario the issue is again resolved with the midline method. I remind you that due to the threat of war from Turkey, Greece is the only country in the world that has not increased its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. It is not possible to say that the Aegean is a special case because there are other cases like the Aegean, but the states find a middle ground between them according to the Law of the Sea. This is the responsibility of the political leadership of Greece, which does not declare the request to increase its territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. If this had happened, the issue of the Exclusive Economic Zone as well as the Aegialitida Zone would have been determined. All the problems start with the threat of war from Turkey and the fact that the Greek governments do not recognize the increase of territorial waters from 6 to 12 nautical miles. As for the raising of the Greek flag in its territorial waters, I do not think this is a problem. Ships crossing the Bosphorus Straits are also required to fly the Turkish flag. There is no violation of this, a formal procedure is more than substantial. Turkey plays its own geopolitical games in the region, even in a pirated and threatening way many times. The issue is what the Greek governments have done for so many years, that is the question.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Zonmar-en.svg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/EEZ_el.jpg

Can you please list those other cases you say are like the Aegean?

 

[Turko]

The settlement of the Exclusive Economic Zone and the territorial waters with the method of the middle line is an aggressive behavior of Greece? Since when is this absurdity valid? That is, Oruc Reis's unilateral research activity (on the seabed with sonar that is illegal) last summer was not aggressive behavior? And that's where Oruc Reis went to do research in international waters! The former Prime Minister of Greece (Mr. Tsipras) was a state-owned politician like everyone else. The Greek people did not vote for him to say such nonsense. If the Aegean belongs to its fish then we should migrate to mainland Greece!

You had better investigate internal politics of Greece, while we are dealing with greek agressive expansion.
Yes Mr Tsipras did said " The Aegean sea belongs to fishes"

There won't be any method of drawing EEZ without Turkish government once The 2 countries have coasts of the Aegean sea.
How many miles of coasts does belong to Türkiye ? U know?

 

[Foulgrim]

Can you please list those other cases you say are like the Aegean?

1) Canada-US confrontation over the Gulf of Maine
2) Tunisia-Libya Confrontation(1982)
3) Canada-France confrontation(1992) where the EEZ was limited to a very narrow lane but the 12 nautical miles remained
4) Norway-Denmark confrontation(1993) where the midline was again modified taking into account other criteria
5) Bahrain-Qatar Confrontation (2001)
Very important for the Greek-Turkish dispute is the Court's decision on the Romania-Ukraine dispute in 2009. The court's decision defined the continental shelf ignoring Serpents Island. Almost all of these cases involved disputes between states with islands closer to the opposite state than to the state to which they belong. But no island, regardless of where it was located, was deprived of the right to 12 nautical miles. Turkey is talking about war in case Greece implements the expansion of its territorial waters to 12 nautical miles. If this is not the epitome of absurdity then what is?