Montreux and Ataturk declaration from 103 retired Turkish admirals

[Xenon54]

Unity means force. Unity means network. In that case network of sects acting in a coordinated way as a terrorist network which have always been. A network trying its best to change the secular character of the country.

There is no other country in the world that is jailing its best warriors on charges of terrorism while using their work and legacy at the same time. There is no other country that is calling its Chief of Staff a terrorist. There is not another country in the world where senior military staff that dedicated its whole life in order to give fear to enemies and calmness to its friends to be unlawfully accused of anti-democratic behavior, arrested by persecutors because they expressed their security concerns.

Look at what a laughing stock Turkey have become. Look at that rezalet. Our enemies are cheering!
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Each passing year my hope for Turkey is deminishing and now reading such insanity from AKP and its uneducated supporters, who even struggle to speak two sentences, i really think Turkey is doomed beyond repair.

Never underestimate stupid people in masses i guess.

 

[Zafer]

You just admitted that Erdogan only came to power thanks to CIA.
You are voting and supporting a traitor who serves foreign intests, let that sink in for a moment.

Such a bullshit you are saying. Some many of their followers didn't have a clue what they were doing.
It is only a few tens of thousands who probably knew that they had a hidden agenda.
Your hate against Turkish hegemony blinded your eyes.

 

[Saithan]

@Nein2.0 fyi we get paid for every passage, but unfortunately the wording makes it per vessel and not related to tonnage or anything else. So as sea trading picked up speed the value of goods increased but this didn’t benefit us in anyway.

Also as I remember from Yasar Büyükanit has written a book on the montreux and explains the problem. You find the interview on youtube too.

We did change the amount charged at one point but had to change it back as I recall.

Problem is the amount is fixed and not following development of time and such.

As it is a natural straigth it’s Considered international waters as explained. Which is why RTE wants to make a canal like suez, panama.

If you want to do something you should build brdiges much lower. E.g same size/height as croatia is building effectively cutting off SB from free access to sea trade.

So if you build a bridge 20 sbove sea surface you’ve effectively cut off any larger vessel from ever sailing through the straight including navy vessels

 

[Deliorman]

Such a bullshit you are saying. Some many of their followers didn't have a clue what they were doing.
It is only a few tens of thousands who probably knew that they had a hidden agenda.
Your hate against Turkish hegemony blinded your eyes.

People who call themselves Türkiyeli instead of Türk are talking about Turkish hegemony.

 

[Xenon54]

Such a bullshit you are saying. Some many of their followers didn't have a clue what they were doing.
It is only a few tens of thousands who probably knew that they had a hidden agenda.
Your hate against Turkish hegemony blinded your eyes.

Ohh yeah i hate Turkish hegemony.
And erdogan clearly didnt know about Gülen and his intentions sure sure....

He is only fooling his blind supporters like you, i really wish that you will one day aquire the ability to think yourself.
I wish that from my whole heart for the whole bunch of you.

 

[Ryder]

@Nein2.0 fyi we get paid for every passage, but unfortunately the wording makes it per vessel and not related to tonnage or anything else. So as sea trading picked up speed the value of goods increased but this didn’t benefit us in anyway.

Also as I remember from Yasar Büyükanit has written a book on the montreux and explains the problem. You find the interview on youtube too.

We did change the amount charged at one point but had to change it back as I recall.

Problem is the amount is fixed and not following development of time and such.

As it is a natural straigth it’s Considered international waters as explained. Which is why RTE wants to make a canal like suez, panama.

If you want to do something you should build brdiges much lower. E.g same size/height as croatia is building effectively cutting off SB from free access to sea trade.

So if you build a bridge 20 sbove sea surface you’ve effectively cut off any larger vessel from ever sailing through the straight including navy vessels

Panama and the Suez Canal bankrupted both Egypt and Panama.

Mega Projects come at a enormous cost.

Honestly its interesting how the Ottomans planned to build a Canal in the Suez and the Volga. Only to backtrack due to money and technology reasons.

Don Volga Canal plan was interesting the Ottomans were fully deep into making it a reality. As I said lots of factors doomed the project.

 

[Turko]

Someone has turned his face again US , igniting Montreux dispute.
Now again AKP supporters forgot Türkiye's economy.

 

[Zafer]

Ohh yeah i hate Turkish hegemony.
And erdogan clearly didnt know about Gülen and his intentions sure sure....

He is only fooling his blind supporters like you, i really wish that you will one day aquire the ability to think yourself.
I wish that from my whole heart for the whole bunch of you.

I have been thinking for myself from age 10 and I haven't seen a mere glimmer of wisdom from your kind.

 

[Zafer]

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Someone has turned his face again US , igniting Montreux dispute.
Now again AKP supporters forgot Türkiye's economy.

When you want to lead a country you have to meet everyone.
It is what you do when you see their intentions that count.

 

[Ryder]

1994’te Ecevit ortaya attı, manşetlere ‘mega proje’ diye yansıdı

Başbakan Tayyip Erdoğan’ın dün açıkladığı “Kanal İstanbul” projesini, 17 Ocak 1994’te o dönem DSP Genel Başkanı olan Bülent Ecevit’in gündeme getirdiği...

www.hurriyet.com.tr

So Istanbul Canal idea is nothing new the idea has been floating for centuries while Ecevit himself flirted with this idea.

Interesting to be honest. More I learn.

 

[Xenon54]

I have been thinking for myself from age 10 and I haven't seen a mere glimmer of wisdom from your kind.

Then keep going, you guys managed wonders that Turkey has never seen before, god bless your wisdom.

 

[Turko]

Look in 2004 how you ignored national security decision in order to devastate the Turkish Army.

 

[Combat-Master]

Unity means force. Unity means network. In that case network of sects acting in a coordinated way as a terrorist network which have always been. A network trying its best to change the secular character of the country.

There is no other country in the world that is jailing its best warriors on charges of terrorism while using their work and legacy at the same time. There is no other country that is calling its Chief of Staff a terrorist. There is not another country in the world where senior military staff that dedicated its whole life in order to give fear to enemies and calmness to its friends to be unlawfully accused of anti-democratic behavior, arrested by persecutors because they expressed their security concerns.

Look at what a laughing stock Turkey have become. Look at that rezalet. Our enemies are cheering!
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379053757514801156

 

[Costin84]

The Greeks are having a good laugh about the architect of Mavi Vatan being in jail.

 

[mulj]

Panama and the Suez Canal bankrupted both Egypt and Panama.

Mega Projects come at a enormous cost.

Honestly its interesting how the Ottomans planned to build a Canal in the Suez and the Volga. Only to backtrack due to money and technology reasons.

Don Volga Canal plan was interesting the Ottomans were fully deep into making it a reality. As I said lots of factors doomed the project.

Today machinery is much more developed and such projects are easier to built, despite sacrificies you mentiined both canals are lifeblood veins for those countries.

 

[Xenon54]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379053757514801156

Akar is Erdogans puppy, he first needs to show his alibi for the coup night.
I dont believe their BS story.

 

[Turko]

How did they promote the FETÖ member upto general while 624 colonel retiring last month.


More than five times the number of colonels retired in previous years, this year were retired. This is against the normal course of life. Those who were retired were in critical positions such as brigade commander, deputy brigade commander, chief of staff, Special Forces pilot and Operations Head. The deputies commented, "The retirement of these personnel, who are considered to be distinguished by the TSK, although their terms have not expired, does not meet the criteria of the YAŞ and the TSK."

Bir yanda terfi eden FETÖ’cü, bir yanda emekli edilen 624 albay

www.sozcu.com.tr

 

[Xenon54]

The Greeks are having a good laugh about the architect of Mavi Vatan being in jail.

And their buddies AKP in Turkey.

 

[Deliorman]

 

[Khagan1923]

Have fun trying to stop the US from swarming the Black Sea with warships and nuclear subs, have fun trying to stop them from building naval bases in Hungary and Romania and station permament Warships and Subs there, have fun trying to evade sanctions from Russia for opening the strait to the West to come and leave as they please.

I'm sure there won't be any retaliatory actions more severe from the russians for opening their backyards to the americans.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1379027435153465347

I'm sure this is all coordinated too just to make the poor akp look bad, just as the Greeks were celebrating when Cihat Yayci was pushed out by FETÖ from the Navy.

Everybody is faking their reactions guys. In reality US,Greece and France are trembling out of fear.

Imaging thinking you can negotiate a better agreement in the state your country is in, you have zero leverage. Economy in tatters, Terror statelet on your southern border, 6 million syrians in your country another 3 millions waiting in Idlip to enter.

What are you gonna threaten the Americans with? Please enlighten me. I really want to know how you are gonna get the americans to sign an document that would be even more to their disadvantage.

How are you gonna get the russians to do the same? Or other Black sea nations? Why should Ukraine, Georgia, Bulgaria, Romania sign it if the non existens of such agreement means free passage of American and British warships and more security for them?

A nice naval base here and there, a couple destroyers and subs, tada Romania, Georgia, Ukraine and Bulgaria are safer than ever from the russian menace. I'm sure the americans wouldn't salivate at the thought of parking destroyers right at Russia's ass.

I'm also sure the russians won't take it out on us when it inevitably happens and won't start carpet bombing our troops and refugees in Idlip who will pour into Turkey and tada, 15% of the country will be made up by people who don't speak one word of turkish, who have zero respect towards the culture of their host country and who I'm sure won't be taking up arms in two decades and demand part of the country for themselves or worse to merge with Syria.

And I'm sure the US and the west won't be using those people to destabilize Turkey, nooo they wouldn't do such a thing.

Lets add the sanctions by russia to it, no tourists, economic partnership, maybe even turn up the price of gas, why not? Turkey rips apart agreements as it fancies why should other countries do the same towards us?

I'm sure the S-400 will work well with missiles past their shelf-life and without any spare parts for maintance.

I'm also sure you will be able to deport them back to their home country when Russia closes all roads to syria and blocks any bus coming from Turkey, not at all.


Here in Turkey we don't think of the consequences, we just do it and change our opinion every three days. Just as we were defending the agreement in 2018, now we HATE IT! And then some wonder why this country has such a bad foreign policy.