Turkey’s Air Force Is Obsolete, Warns New Study

[Ardabas34]

I think all this dropping from F-35 project thing was a sign of a major turn in our modern history.

In fact you might think a major turn in World history as well.

1- This means the US no longer controls TuAF. What do I mean? They were going to give those F-35s because it was actually going to be themselves they were going to give, never us: the gladio, gulenist soldiers. The ones who shot down the Russian plane just to make sure Turkey falls off with Russia and the US becomes the only wall for Turkey to lean.

2- We were eventually going to break our chains from the US global web. Fighter jets being the most essantial weapons of modern armies, dropping from this project actually symbolises Turkey dropping from this global web. There was eventually going to be a period where Turkey remains desperate but it is a transition process.
Just like how a newborn bird would first free fall from the home then start flying, we are in that free falling period right now. With our national fighter jet we will be flying. Free falling might be the most dreadful time in a birds life but it marks the beginning of independence in a birds life.

I just remembered our first planes name is hürkuş.

3- Turkey has always been one of the most essantial ally in Nato. The US has successfully established its hegemony over Turkey with coups, military sales so on so forth. So this not only means sth for Turkey but for the US as well. We already know they are a declining superpower. Now, they are also losing their capacity to extend their muscles.

 

[Sinan]

Come on bro, don’t tell me that this video doesn’t make your heart beat faster like in the good old days.

The F-35 is like the girl you loved with all of your heart and who knew how to make you lose your mind... but who cheated on you. You hate her, you try to always tell yourself how much better you are without her, what a bitch she was... but deep inside yourself you know that you are addicted to her.

Yaktın beni Ameriga...

Yeah, but... the most discussed subject on the aviation "Kil Switch" is real on this one. You can't fly an F-35 without username/password and it can be changed remotely from US. If we had been a country like UK or France i wouldn't mind the kill switch. But we are talking about a country who tries to install a PKK terrorist state at our southern border, harboring Gülenists in their country, siding with our enemies on East Mediterranean.

And we want to invest tens of billion dollars on aircraft that can be grounded by pressing a button with this state?

 

[Nutuk]

F35 is a fine aircraft IF you use it like the US wants you to (purely defensive and against Russia), a scenario that probably never will happen and so you will have an expensive aircraft that is never used in battle. Probably they will turn a blind eye to bombing missions against terrorist.

But Turkey want's an aircraft she can use as she like, if needed in Libya and in Somalia (to protect Turkish interest, not US interests only). As controversial as it may sound, not having the F35 is pity and a blessing at the same time.

The best thing, the absense of it is pushing Turkey to stand on her own feet.

 

[Saithan]

My greatest hope is that we can get Hürjet up and flying along with Hürkus, I want them with domestic engines and very soon. Because that's when we can continue with the next step of R&D.

Whilst they'll be used actively on missions and for training.

 

[Zafer]

US would give the F35 to Turkey dirt cheap if they could as it is a Trojan horse which would defeat Turkey from inside. One US general once said "We desperately need to give the F35 to Turkey".

 

[Combat-Master]

• F16 Özgür avionic + structural upgrade program
• Hürjet light fighter aircraft
• TfX 5th generation aircraft program
• 3 different 4+Mach A2A missile program
• Various type of AG munition and cruise missile programs
• 3 AESA radar program for different platforms
• Aksungur long endurance naval drone + Akinci long endurance bomber drone
• 2 unmanned fighter drone and 1 wingman drone program
• Hisar-A+, O+, Rf, U(100km), Siper(~150km) and anti-ballistic missile defence programs and Land based Gokdoğan missiles
• Land based long range and very long range radar programs

How can the inventory of a country developing all these items will be obsolete, while developing all of them simultaneously? Some of these programs came to end of their development period and we will see their roll-out or delivery ceremonies.

AFAIK Peace Eagle is still one of the best AEW&C systems out there along with HAVASOJ and SIGINT aircrafts on their way - Turkey would be one of the few countries in the region to have such airborne capabilities.. Can Kasapoglu, does not take these into consideration unfortunately - hope he doesn't become another Burak Bokdil..

 

[Era_shield]

Turkey is also surrounded by nations with ballistic missiles, including Syria, Armenia, Iran and Russia. Even here, losing the F-35 is a problem: the stealth jet and its advanced sensors could play a vital role in missile defense, both as an interceptor and by conducting strikes against missile launchers, the study says.

Intercepting ballistic missiles with an F-35? This guy has been spending too much time in the sun.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

AFAIK Peace Eagle is still one of the best AEW&C systems out there along with HAVASOJ and SIGINT aircrafts on their way - Turkey would be one of the few countries in the region to have such airborne capabilities.. Can Kasapoglu, does not take these into consideration unfortunately - hope he doesn't become another Burak Bokdil..

Yep I forgot to mention these strategic electronic warfare and optic projects.

IHA-SOJ
IHA-AEWC
IHA SIGINT
Hava-SOJ
Multi-INT SIGINT/IMINT
MEHPOD
EA/ES PODS
AselPod-2
SARPod

 

[Nutuk]

Intercepting ballistic missiles with an F-35? This guy has been spending too much time in the sun.

The writer is talking about the DAS (Distributed Aperture System), which is basically a set of high resolution IR sensors and IRST placed around the aircraft that can detect missiles and their launch up to 30km.

We should apply the DAS system on AKINCI drones that would be able to detect enemy launch sites and destroy them with MAM-T

 

[Nutuk]

Aselpod-2?

 

[Era_shield]

The writer is talking about the DAS (Distributed Aperture System), which is basically a set of high resolution IR sensors and IRST placed around the aircraft that can detect missiles and their launch up to 30km.

We should apply the DAS system on AKINCI drones that would be able to detect enemy launch sites and destroy them with MAM-T

30km is not useful for ballistic missiles, which are launched from much further. F-35 doesn't have any relevance to ballistic missile defence at all.

 

[Quasar]

30km is not useful for ballistic missiles, which are launched from much further. F-35 doesn't have any relevance to ballistic missile defence at all.

I have no feeling for F 35 any longer but still guess we have to be fair

From Northrop Grumman

''Unlike other sensors, DAS detects and tracks the rocket at horizon-break without the aid of external cues. DAS algorithms continuously track the rocket through first-stage burnout, second-stage ignition, across DAS sensor boundaries, and through the rocket's second-stage burnout at a distance of more than 800 miles. The video also shows DAS' detecting and tracking the rocket's first-stage re-entry. Designated the AN/AAQ-37 and comprising six electro-optical sensors, the full EO DAS will enhance the F-35's survivability and operational effectiveness by warning the pilot of incoming aircraft and missile threats, providing day/night vision and supporting the navigation function of the F-35's forward-looking infrared sensor.''

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Aselpod-2?

SSB Mustafa Şeker (02.2020): Project work has been initiated to develop "Next Generation EO / IR Targeting Pod"

YENİ NESİL EO/IR HEDEFLEME PODU GELİŞTİRİLMESİ ÇALIŞTAYI - SSB

www.ssb.gov.tr

 

[Era_shield]

''Unlike other sensors, DAS detects and tracks the rocket at horizon-break without the aid of external cues. DAS algorithms continuously track the rocket through first-stage burnout, second-stage ignition, across DAS sensor boundaries, and through the rocket's second-stage burnout at a distance of more than 800 miles. The video also shows DAS' detecting and tracking the rocket's first-stage re-entry. Designated the AN/AAQ-37 and comprising six electro-optical sensors, the full EO DAS will enhance the F-35's survivability and operational effectiveness by warning the pilot of incoming aircraft and missile threats, providing day/night vision and supporting the navigation function of the F-35's forward-looking infrared sensor.''

This is very good for self-defence but useless for practical ballistic missile defence. You can't have a fleet of F-35s in the air 24/7 flying within DAS range of enemy ballistic launch positions and hoping the weather is good enough so the DAS can see anything at such range.

 

[Khagan1923]

Air Defence weak?

2023 onward Turkey will have the best Air Defence Umbrella together with Israel in the region. I would include West Europe in it too.

These capabilities will be projected onto Warships sooner than later giving Turkey the ability to deny access and create NFZ whereever it wants to in the Aegan, Mediterreanen, Africa, ME.

Korkut SPAAG: 4km
Sungur: 8km
Hisar-A+:20km
Hisar-O+: 30-35km
Hisar-O+RF: 45-50km
Hisar-U: 100km
Siper: 150km

There might be even a couple surpises here that will be revelead when the time is right(Golden Cage, C-RAM, Sapan,G-40).

The author first should inform themself about projects before making uninformed comments in articles. It not only humiliates them but discredits their future career. Why should anyone take this person serious if they can't even research basic information that is accessible to the public with a couple clicks.

Not gonna add the planned upgrades here for the F-16 Fleet (GaN based AESA, Avionics, Self-Protection Suits, EW, Indigenous Munition),
Armed Hürjet, the networking that the TurAF has on its hands that others can only dream about, Aksungur and Akinci, MIUS and Göksungur.

And the fact that the TF-X program is actually ahead of time and there haven't been any serious delays, yet. The fact that the first Block will be mainly 4.5 Gen with 5 Gen capabilities sprinkled in helps with that.

TurAF faces challenges but surely not "obsolete" kind. This is not Iran. In the worst case scenario Turkey has enough options to bolster its Air Force with capable Aircrafts.

 

[Khagan1923]

I have no feeling for F 35 any longer but still guess we have to be fair

From Northrop Grumman

''Unlike other sensors, DAS detects and tracks the rocket at horizon-break without the aid of external cues. DAS algorithms continuously track the rocket through first-stage burnout, second-stage ignition, across DAS sensor boundaries, and through the rocket's second-stage burnout at a distance of more than 800 miles. The video also shows DAS' detecting and tracking the rocket's first-stage re-entry. Designated the AN/AAQ-37 and comprising six electro-optical sensors, the full EO DAS will enhance the F-35's survivability and operational effectiveness by warning the pilot of incoming aircraft and missile threats, providing day/night vision and supporting the navigation function of the F-35's forward-looking infrared sensor.''

Great capability to have but without any real BM Defence shield it won't help you. So trying to add this fact as an disadvantage for a country that wouldn't be able to import a BM Defence system seems pretty how should I say it, disingenuous.

I pointed the same system out here a couple months ago. TF-X needs the same coupled with GUMS.

 

[Nutuk]

30km is not useful for ballistic missiles, which are launched from much further. F-35 doesn't have any relevance to ballistic missile defence at all.

Yes and no

The DAS system is primarily for situational awareness, in which the pilot is warned for missile attack
The system can detect and track through a set of IR and IRST sensors the missile, it can also detect a missile launch of a SAM system, but that means you can also detect launch of other ground missiles like artillery and ballistic missiles (if they are in the detection range)

DAS is not a system designed to take out ballistic missiles but can detect their launch and track their trajectory

 

[Bogeyman]

The French will take a drill in 2023 to participate in 10 thousand soldiers. All units are expected to participate in coordinated. And France Turkey's began to see between countries that can be entered in the war for the next 10 years. In addition, an anonymous African country is also mentioned. Probably a threat scenario to target Libya will be raised.

The French armed forces are planning for high-intensity war

After a decade of counter-insurgency, plans are changing

www.economist.com

When you determine the threat scenario via Greece Scale, existing modernizations for the Air Force may appear adequate. But when the hostile country is France I don't think we can get the same result.

 

[TR_123456]

The best thing, the absense of it is pushing Turkey to stand on her own feet.

The only thing that matters.

 

[Ryder]

Come on bro, don’t tell me that this video doesn’t make your heart beat faster like in the good old days.

The F-35 is like the girl you loved with all of your heart and who knew how to make you lose your mind... but who cheated on you. You hate her, you try to always tell yourself how much better you are without her, what a bitch she was... but deep inside yourself you know that you are addicted to her.

Yaktın beni Ameriga...

Man i do like the F35 a lot to be honest.

Eventhough we cant get it its not end of the world.

Warfare is changing there will be other effective and efficient weapons in the future while at the same time I want the F35.

Man its a dilemma you want the planes while at the same time they come with strings attached.