Pompeo warns Turkey that Huawei threatens US military presence

[Bogeyman]

Pompeo warns Turkey that Huawei threatens US military presence


Turkey’s growing reliance on Huawei and other Chinese companies could complicate U.S. military cooperation with the major NATO ally, according to Mike Pompeo.

“They make it more difficult,” the Secretary of State told the Washington Examiner. “The fact that you have a significant amount of data in Turkey now, in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party, means that we have to be ever more careful.”

Huawei and ZTE have emerged as telecommunications heavyweights in Turkey in recent years, even as Pompeo has warned other NATO allies that such partnerships could force American troops to withdraw rather than risk exposure to companies linked to Beijing’s spy agencies.

Their expansion in Turkey has added a cybersecurity irritant to military ties strained already by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s foreign policy disputes with Washington.

“We have to make sure that our networks are secure — that is, our defense networks, our security networks,” Pompeo said. “It’s not only military and security networks that will be impacted by increasing activity inside of Turkey or any other country from Chinese networks. We're gonna make sure and protect American data.”

President Trump's administration already has expelled Turkey from the F-35 stealth fighter jet program, citing Erdogan's insistence on purchasing advanced Russian anti-aircraft missile systems. Pompeo's warning about the telecommunications companies comes just weeks after Wisconsin Sen. Ron Johnson’s, the top Republican on the Foreign Relations subcommittee for Europe, revealed that U.S. strategists are preparing for a potential removal of American forces from Turkey’s Incirlik Air Force base. “The path that Erdogan is on is not good,” Johnson said. “Our presence, quite honestly, in Turkey, is certainly threatened.”

China’s telecommunications companies represent just one aspect of Turkey’s increasing economic entanglements with Beijing, which seeks to run the communist power’s vaunted Belt and Road Initiative through Ankara.

“China has invested $3 billion in Turkey between 2016 and 2019 and intends to double that by the end of next year,” Stanford University’s Ayca Alemdaroglu and the University of Chicago's Sultan Tepe observed in a recent Foreign Policy magazine analysis. “And the cash keeps coming: This year, China’s Export and Credit Insurance Corp. committed up to $5 billion for Turkey’s Wealth Fund, to be used for BRI projects. The fund’s limited transparency and accountability raise further concerns about where the money is going and Turkey’s ability to repay.”

Pompeo, who has described the Belt and Road Initiative as “a treasury-run empire-build” that allows the Chinese Communist Party to use “predatory” lending as a way to gain political influence at strategic junctures, expressed similar misgivings about Turkey’s deals.

“There's a real cost, not an upfront cost, but a real cost to accepting these resources from the Chinese Communist Party,” Pompeo said. “And the people in those countries will be worse off as a result … That applies not only to Southeast Asia and to Turkey, but it's true here in the United States as well.”

Pompeo, who acknowledged the need to "get the American house in order” as well, emphasized that China is trying “to create hegemony through using these state-owned enterprises” to gain assets in foreign countries.

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Turkey’s growing reliance on Huawei and other Chinese companies could complicate U.S. military cooperation with the major NATO ally, according to Mike Pompeo.“They make it more difficult,” the Secretary of State told the Washington Examiner. “The fact that you have a significant amount of data...

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[Kaptaan]

“to create hegemony through using these state-owned enterprises” to gain assets in foreign countries.

And USA does not? Blimey ....

 

[TR_123456]

And USA does not? Blimey ....

Its just an excuse,you'll see soon.

 

[Kaptaan]

I know there is certain amount of aversion toward Chinese on account of the Uighurs. But as anybody who has been to Kazakstan [I spent 2 weeks in Alma Aty] will know the Chinese literally are flooding Central Asia with their economic pull. The trade on the Kazak/Chinese border alludes to that. And thi is just the starting. Anybody with modicum of reaing on world history will know China was a hyperpower for 6,000 years of the 8,000 years of human recorded history. USA is like a transient blip on the vast contour of human history.

The world order is going through change. From a Atlantic centred world we are heading to the region described by Mackinder as the "pivot". USA can do what it can but that will not change. And that pivot is abreast of Turkey, Russia and China. Edo probably knows this and can play with this.

The Geographical Pivot of History - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ps. I think my battery on the wireless keyboard is fading and I am ending up missed typos. So do excuse until I fix that.

 

[Yoyo]

I wish the US for once in its "long" 400 or so year history mind its own fukcing business.

 

[Saithan]

Wait it sounds like ppl believe that China is a nice guy ?

 

[Gary]

with modicum of reaing on world history will know China was a hyperpower for 6,000 years of the 8,000 years of human recorded history. USA is like a transient blip on the vast contour of human history.

You make it sounds like China has been a continuous power for straight 6000 years, looking at a history of China it's more like a succession of Dynasties rising and falling with time charazterized by life cycle of :

-conquest and rise of Dynasties
-rule
-stability
-ended with a political chaos resulting in million's of death
-repeat

 

[Gary]

The only country to ever achieve Hyperpower status is the US right after the end of the cold war up until as recently as the mid 2010's where the US and it's Allies enjoy unprecedented influence,might and power militarily and economically so unchallenged they run the world order.

Nothing of China's 6000 years or so history ever came close to what the US has achieve globally, China at best is a great power with another power on the far side of the world equal to it (the Roman's, The Arab's etc)

 

[Kaptaan]

You make it sounds like China

When I said China I mean't the geography coterminous to that country. That way CCP China is only 70 years old, Japan only 65 years old [the old order was quashed by USA post 1945 defeat], Germany only 70 years old [post war] and Italy only 150 years old. No nation state existed few centuries ago. However the peoples, the geographies that burnished them have existed for millenia barring USA which is entirely migrant construct.

And it's position in the world history [in all it's permutations] was dominant over 6,000 years of 8,000 years of human recorded history. Give a take few centuries and excuse me for talking in general terms.

 

[Kaptaan]

Nothing of China's 6000 years or so history ever came close to what the US has achieve globally, China at best is a great power with another power on the far side of the world equal to it (the Roman's, The Arab's etc)

You got to factor in the timeframe. In the ancient world definition of superpower was differant. No planes, no vehicles, no modern ships thus it's ability to impose it's power would be curtailed. With advent of modern technology it is now possible to influence the entire globe.

At 57 I will not see it but certainly by middle of this century China will boast largest economy and by end of this century very probably dominate the world order. Well you do the calculation. At the moment barely 25% of that country is developed. Huge swathes are being developed. With a population of 1.4 billion even if the aging problem kicks in means China will be a hyperpower.

The Chinese are being coy. They are busy working on their economy and ducking/diving but as we move forward you will see a more aggressive posture. Indeed some people argue it already has began. I find it hilarious that US challanges China in South China Sea which is literally a Chinese pond like say Florida Bay is.

On the other hand I remember USAF knocked out Libyan fighters in Mediteranean Sea in Gulf of Sidra. Talk of imperial over reach.

 

[Kaptaan]

You got to factor in the timeframe. In the ancient world definition of superpower was differant. No planes, no vehicles, no modern ships thus it's ability to impose it's power would be curtailed. With advent of modern technology it is now possible to influence the entire globe.

At 57 I will not see it but certainly by middle of this century China will boast largest economy and by end of this century very probably dominate the world order. Well you do the calculation. At the moment barely 25% of that country is developed. Huge swathes are being developed. With a population of 1.4 billion even if the aging problem kicks in means China will be a hyperpower.

The Chinese are being coy. They are busy working on their economy and ducking/diving but as we move forward you will see a more aggressive posture. Indeed some people argue it already has began. I find it hilarious that US challanges China in South China Sea which is literally a Chinese pond like say Florida Bay is.

On the other hand I remember USAF knocked out Libyan fighters in Mediteranean Sea in Gulf of Sidra. Talk of imperial over reach.

And please don't think I am Sinophile. I find Chinese at the point of being open to charges of racism disgusting. They have particularly vulgar way of snorting food. They are not particularly good looking people. My son at university got part time job as tutor to Chinese students and I became aware that he was getting to comfy with this 'girlfriend' who was Chinese. I told him he could have his fling no way did I want my grandchildren to half Chink. No way. And he eventually dumped her.

But I believe I am being objective about the unmistakable rise of China.

 

[triangle]

At 57 I will not see it but certainly by middle of this century China will boast largest economy and by end of this century very probably dominate the world order. Well you do the calculation. At the moment barely 25% of that country is developed. Huge swathes are being developed. With a population of 1.4 billion even if the aging problem kicks in means China will be a hyperpower.

I don't think the earths biosphere is going to survive China becoming a hyperpower. Not mentioning the amount of energy needed for that to happen, which is out of reach. https://surplusenergyeconomics.wordpress.com/2019/04/05/149-the-big-challenges/

 

[Gary]

You got to factor in the timeframe. In the ancient world definition of superpower was differant. No planes, no vehicles, no modern ships thus it's ability to impose it's power would be curtailed. With advent of modern technology it is now possible to influence the entire globe.

At 57 I will not see it but certainly by middle of this century China will boast largest economy and by end of this century. Well you do the calculation. At the moment barely 25% of that country is developed. Huge swathes are being developed. With a population of 1.4 billion even if the aging problem kicks in means China will be a hyperpower.

The Chinese are being coy. They are busy working on their economy and ducking/diving but as we move forward you will see a more aggressive posture. Indeed some people argue it already has began. I find it hilarious that US challanges China in South China Sea which is literally a Chinese pond like say Florida Bay is.

On the other hand I remember USAF knocked out Libyan fighters in Mediteranean Sea in Gulf of Sidra. Talk of imperial over reach.

No what I mean is relative, as I said the time between the end of the cold war which is the early 90s up to the mid 2010's could only be described as the Golden age of American power. Here's a quote from CSBA https://csbaonline.org/research/pub...d U.S. Strategy,CSBA Senior Fellow Hal Brands.

In the wake of the Cold War, America’s core treaty allies
defined here as the NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) allies and members of Washington’s
hub and spoke alliance system in the Asia Pacific accounted for huge chunks of global military and
economic power: nearly one half of world GDP and more than one third of world military spending.
Close allies such as the United Kingdom, Japan, Germany, and France were among the most
economically and militarily powerful countries in the world after the United States, while America’s
adversaries and potential adversaries were generally weak or in precipitous decline. This enormously
advantageous configuration of power added significantly to the strengths that the United States itself
wielded throughout the 1990s and into the 2000s and enabled the ambitious global strategy that
America chose to pursue after the superpower conflict ended. The early post Cold War era was,
therefore, a kind of golden age not just for American power but for the relative power and influence of
America’s closest allies as well. The United States was not simply the system’s unipolar power; it stood
at the head of a veritable “unipolar concert” made up of strong and vigorous democracies

While it's true the unipolarity of the US is now coming to an end that doesn't mean that we'll have any country to challenge the US and it's achievement (as the world's only Hyoerpower) soon.

China while it's growth for the last 50 years is impressive, one must look at how a country will somehow looses steam.

. China's population is aging at a rate and scale that is historically unprecedented. That nation is expected to lose 400 million working age persons this century, and the number is already falling. There is an 18 percent gender imbalance in the country's population. China's birth rate never recovered from its multi-decade "one child" policy.

.On the military side, China's geographic circumstances can only be described as bottled up and vulnerable. China is almost surrounded by countries that are unfriendly. It only has one ally, North Korea, which is more of a client state. Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, Australia, and India are all on the spectrum from cool to hostile towards China. Most are allies or friendly with the United States. Many are armed with American high-tech weapons.

Has China's Rise Peaked?

Facts to consider: China's population is aging at a rate and scale that is historically unprecedented. That nation is expected to lose 400 million working age persons this century, and the number is a

www.realcleardefense.com

Looking at how Beijing with it's wolf warriors style diplomacy progressing each day, a future where china is "allowed" to be the world no.1 looks bleak, I say allowed because in this globalized world you can't succeed on your own, not with that kind of attitude Beijing is showing.

 

[Kaptaan]

No what I mean is relative, as I said the time between the end of the cold war which is the early 90s up to the mid 2010's could only be described as the Golden age of American power

In another post I stated that about 1995 was apogee of American power. And nobody would say Chinese are 'nice guys'. It's a state. But certainly we will have a bipolar world which means the smaller fish in the global order will get a chance to breath. The tension between USA and China will create a geo-strategic balance. What do they say? Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

 

[Kaptaan]

world no.1 looks bleak

What we will have is two poles and lots of smaller powers like Turkey, Pakistan etc trying to extract the best deal out of both poles. So you will have dozens of smaller countries being touted by the great powers. T

 

[Gary]

In another post I stated that about 1995 was apogee of American power. And nobody would say Chinese are 'nice guys'. It's a state. But certainly we will have a bipolar world which means the smaller fish in the global order will get a chance to breath. The tension between USA and China will create a geo-strategic balance. What do they say? Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

True, no country is a saint. It's politics.

But here's where it gets scary. China is loosing steam, while having 4x the US population, it's GDP is only 60% that of the US, and year by year slowing economic growth means they will very unlikely surpasses the US economically like many predicts, with a GDP per capita only a 1/6th of that of the US, trying to create a consumer market to replace the Americans will be hard to achieve, even if Xi himself stated so.

When a country seems to lose to their competition,war is something that many powers come to. That's the case with the Germans when they saw the industrialization and population growth of Russia, fearing that they will somehow (in the future) be swallowed or turn into irrelevance by the Russians, prompting them to start the war earlier, the same is also with the Japanese after they saw they couldn't compete with the US in the long run in the Pacific, prompting them to attack first.

The same could be true to either US or China

 

[Kaptaan]

When you have one power or a unipolar world it leads to imperial hubris. Talk of bleak tell me how has the world benefited from Libya being distablised? Leading to mass migration outlet from Sub Saharan Africa to Europe and a country left in tatters. Or Syria? Or Iraq with it's 'balkanization' and source of chaos right underneath Turkey's underbelly? Or castrating Iran?

Or invading Afghanistan when the fcukin terrorists were all Arabs? Why not sanction trhe countries that birthed the 9/11 terrorists like Saudia, Egypt, Jordan etc

After bombing it for 19 years they are now TALKING peace to the very TALIBAN they declared as evil. Wtf? Afghan war cost nearly half a million dead. Think. Babies, mothers, children and old people. For what? Imperial hubris. This is what happens in a unipolar world.

 

[Gary]

When you have one power or a unipolar world it leads to imperial hubris. Talk of bleak tell me how has the world benefited from Libya being distablised? Leading to mass migration outlet from Sub Saharan Africa to Europe and a country left in tatters. Or Syria? Or Iraq with it's 'balkanization' and source of chaos right underneath Turkey's underbelly? Or castrating Iran?

The mass migrations of Syrian's couldn't be blamed on the US,in syria you have people like Assad who bombs and kills his own people using his armies and gangs like the shabiha, which prompted it's people to rise up and take the weapons instead.

When his military couldn't deliver or afford to expel the militants, he resorted to carpet bomb his own cities and people's, and now you ask why are people fleeing Syria?

The same also applies to the Yugoslavian.

Or invading Afghanistan when the fcukin terrorists were all Arabs? Why not sanction trhe countries that birthed the 9/11 terrorists like Saudia, Egypt, Jordan etc

.

The terrorist are arabs true, but the ruler of Islamic Emirates if Afghanistan is key to enabling and hiding the main mastermind of the operations, hence 2001 Enduring Freedom come's in effect.

 

[Kaptaan]

The same could be true to either US or China

Although I am very cynical but I do hold a optimistic view of the future. I don't think there will be war between the great powers. We must assume that states act within their interests as you stated earlier. Given that fact and the advent of nuclear weapons a war between great powers is non starter. However war on the field will be replaced in 'war' on the economic front and influence. We have the Cold War to inform our thinking. It will be a contest of economics ultimately. In the last Cold War USSR lost in the fight over simple economics. Let's see what happens in the new emerging order.

I take a very positive outlook. Human competition will garner a better world. Think of all the additional economic output and research by China which will compound with USA to create a better world. As a agnostic I believe the best thing is this life. We all have a right to live a full life. And I see that happening in this rivalry between both powers.

 

[Kaptaan]

The mass migrations of Syrian's couldn't be blamed on the US,

I take a differant view. But I am taking a break. Given this is the only life I am doing my darnest to extend it. I just did a incredibly difficut but enjoyable 2 hour training in the gym. I am shattered and need to eat. Over and out boys ..