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[Kaan Azman]

Don't we all dream about it every night?

 

[Cypro]

Even it has not been happened the way they are describing it it is getting bad media coverage and hate comments. This is a negative propaganda and reputation killer news but it won't change anything. I don't think a drone AI can choose a target and attack without getting approval, at most autonomy means fire and forget so operator already defined the target which is most probably enemy. This things are more humane than dumb bombs or carpet bombing done by western countries. If they are after human rights they should compare civilian losses in Turkish Operations vs USA RUSSIA FRANCE or Hafter's operations.

"An Autonomous Weaponized Drone "Hunted Down" Humans Without Command For First Time"​

https://www.iflscience.com/technolo...d-down-humans-without-command-for-first-time/

An autonomous drone may have hunted down and attacked humans without input from human commanders, a recent UN report has revealed. As well as being the first time such an attack by artificial intelligence (AI) has taken place on humans, it's unclear whether the drone may have killed people during the attack which took place in Libya in March 2020.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Don't we all dream about it every night? View attachment 22026

No. Not really!
I am dreaming about new version of TB2 and TB3.
Akinci is well known to all by now. Until such time that it can thwart enemy radars and get herself accepted as battle-proven drone like her little brother, we can only wonder what it can do and how efficiently.
There has been too much hype about this drone in the media. They should put the brakes on it a little bit. Unless of course, that the intention is to draw attention away from something else!!
Don’t get me wrong! It will most certainly serve it’s purpose. But I can’t see it being any different if compared to a Reaper (apart from her Aesa radar) . It is big , bulky, expensive and susceptible to enemy AD systems. It will however bring a big force multiplier to our defence forces’ capability.
But to me the TB2 is in such a sweet spot that it is “innovative” , “Deadly” and cheap. We need to play on to it’s strengths and develop it further.

 

[Kaan Azman]

People miss the fact that Akıncı and Aksungur will bypass short range air defenses much better than TB-2 with their standoff weaponry those are recently developed. Don't forget the fact that our current class of UCAVs had extensive support from external jamming sources. If you add Akıncı's own jammers to that, you will be getting a whole new level of protection from air defense systems to compensate for increase in RCS. And no, Akıncı is only similar to Reaper in displacement class. You have many more ways to use it like airspace patrol (Extensive detection and limited shoot down capabilities), Ferrying of various UAVs (It will be capable of carrying and dropping kamikaze UAVs doesnt mean it would be limited to kamikaze only though), SEAD/DEAD (Through the capability to use longer range munitions, not like Reaper which is limited to Hellfire) and the list would go on. I highly doubt, even if it can, Akıncı will be used like Reaper in this case

 

[Bogeyman]

What about contrast seeker MAM-L? Wouldn't that allow fire and forget guidance and be cheap?

Nothing in the fog and rain

SAR/MTI Radar Excels At Where EO/IR Camera Falls Short During UAV Operations

Common Operating Picture or Recognized Picture is a mandatory asset that should be established and maintained on the ground, at the sea and in the air in order to observe current status of friendly and enemy units, to effectively make threat evaluation and to increase planning accuracy before the operations.

How does a SAR/MTI Radar contribute to Common Operating Picture?

Operators try to identify military units in the battlefield through the usage of various types of sensors. Identification Friend or Foe (IFF), Automatic Identification System (AIS) sensors support the identification process for the cooperated targets. On the other hand, EO/IR cameras, Electronic Support Measures (ESM) systems, and radar systems are used in the process of identifying non-cooperated targets. In that sense, SAR/MTI radars could significantly increase the identification performance for the stationary and moving targets by means of evaluation of radar imagery (SAR and ISAR) and moving target indicators. Although EO/IR sensors are the major identification tool for the surveillance platforms, the most of them including Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) carry only EO/IR sensors which remarkably limit the platform’s search capability due to their limited field of view. Radar systems’ MTI feature provides round-the-clock situational awareness by shortening and enhancing the target detection process. If the detection and tracking process is implemented only with EO/IR sensors, it is obvious that the target detection and tracking is degraded due to the high-speed targets, being inside or over the cloud, and low visibility situations. These detection and tracking difficulties could be overcome by collectively using EO/IR sensor and SAR/MTI radar. Theoretically, this type of usage provides a robust solution to the detection and tracking cases for the moving and stationary targets. This theoretical approach comes with some practical limitations including UAV’s payload capacity and budgetary problems. Low SWaP (Size, Weight, and Power), single LRU and lowcost SAR/MTI radars could turn an air vehicle such as a limited-capacity tactical UAV into a highly capable ISR (Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance) platform. MTI Feature As depicted in Figure 1, EO/IR capable UAV has a limited search capability. In contrast, MTI capable UAV has a 360-degree search capability including Ground Moving Target Indication (GMTI) and Maritime Moving Target Indication (MMTI). If these two types of UAVs are jointly operated, detection-tracking-identification process could be implemented even with low-cost tactical UAVs. MTI capable UAV detects the moving targets on the surface and then Ground Control Station (GCS) may automatically directs the EO/IR capable UAV to the detection location for identification. In the second alternative, it is possible to have onboard EO/IR sensor and MTI radar which should be selected in accordance with the tactical UAV’s payload capacity. MTI to EO/IR cueing mechanism is triggered by the sensor operator on GCS.

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SAR/ISAR Features

Unlike MTI, SAR feature provides status of the stationary targets especially for the intelligence personnel regardless of what weather conditions are there. Image resolution of the EO/IR sensor decreases while the range increases. However, SAR radar imagery has a constant resolution which is independent of the range. Submetric resolution for an area of interest tens of kilometers away from the surveillance platform give a great opportunity to the intelligence personnel to gather imagery intelligence in a stand-off range in all weather conditions as seen in Figure 2. The countries with maritime borders have to establish and maintain Recognized Maritime Picture for maritime security. ISAR feature helps the operators identify the ships offshore even in the low visibility conditions where EO/IR sensors fall short.

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METEKSAN’s SAR/MTI Radar MILSAR is capable of operating on unmanned air vehicles (UAVs), helicopters and fixed wing aircraft along with its easy installation feature. This high resolution radar system has the same form-fit mechanical interfaces as standard 15” EO/IR sensor turret to be readily replaced with an EO/IR sensor. Operating MILSAR together with an EO/IR sensor in a “slew-to-cue” fashion improves the effectiveness of the UAV-UCAV joint operations through maximizing wide area surveillance of UAV and increasing UCAV’s attack capability.

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https://www.meteksan.com/files/makaleler/sar_mti_radar_excels_at_where_eo_ir_camera_falls_short_during_uav_operations.pdf

Meteksan's MILSAR solution facilitates laser marking. Rain and fog don't stop us.

 

[Yasar_TR]

People miss the fact that Akıncı and Aksungur will bypass short range air defenses much better than TB-2 with their standoff weaponry those are recently developed. Don't forget the fact that our current class of UCAVs had extensive support from external jamming sources. If you add Akıncı's own jammers to that, you will be getting a whole new level of protection from air defense systems to compensate for increase in RCS. And no, Akıncı is only similar to Reaper in displacement class. You have many more ways to use it like airspace patrol (Extensive detection and limited shoot down capabilities), Ferrying of various UAVs (It will be capable of carrying and dropping kamikaze UAVs doesnt mean it would be limited to kamikaze only though), SEAD/DEAD (Through the capability to use longer range munitions, not like Reaper which is limited to Hellfire) and the list would go on. I highly doubt, even if it can, Akıncı will be used like Reaper in this case

Reaper is not limited to hellfire missiles.
Quote:
Armament: Combination of AGM-114 Hellfire missiles, GBU-12 Paveway II, GBU-38 Joint Direct Attack Munitions, GBU-49 Enhanced Paveway II, and GBU-54 Laser Joint Direct Attack Munitions
Unquote.
Aim92 stinger and MBDA Brimstone missiles have also been tested from Reapers.

MQ-9 Reaper

The MQ-9 Reaper is employed primarily as an intelligence-collection asset and secondarily against dynamic execution targets.

www.af.mil

In my opinion our Akinci will be an upgraded Reaper that we can further upgrade and use, as we please. To have stand off delivery systems that can loiter for hours on end , then release all hell on ground targets 50-60km away is a big advantage.
Due to it’s lower speed and maximum operational altitude with full load, I can’t see our Akinci having more than 50-60km effective ranges. (We will see what the specs of Akinci with 2 x 750 HP engines will be in due course. But today with 2 x PD class engines it is a different story) 50-60 km range is well beyond reach of medium altitude AD systems. But to actually be in the midst of the battlefield with MAM-L under it’s belly and cause havoc among ground forces who are unable to do anything about it, is something else.
I am actually quite excited about what the Aesa radar will add to Akinci.

 

[TheInsider]

Kargu-2 is not fully autonomous. There are different levels of autonomy. Kargu is highly autonomous but the user gives the engagement order.

 

[Combat-Master]

TB2 has 350 litres of fuel capacity, with the (standard) Rotax 912 engine running at 5,000 rpm (75% power) burning 15.0 litres/h of fuel that gives TB2 roughly 24 hours of endurance.

 

[Test7]

Kargu drones waiting to be delivered

 

[Kartal1]

Kargu drones waiting to be delivered

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I want to see these babies swarming

 

[kimov]

Kargu drones waiting to be delivered

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I assume this is a batch of 200 drones to be delivered.
There is about 165 in the picture.

 

[kimov]

I want to see these babies swarming

I dont think these are designed for swarm operation yet otherwise the packaging would have been containers instead of individual boxes and remotes.

 

[Agha Sher]

I dont think these are designed for swarm operation yet otherwise the packaging would have been containers instead of individual boxes and remotes.

They have swarm capability

 

[Oublious]

ASELSAN'dan F-16 BLOK 30TM uçaklarına Dost Düşman Tanıma Sistemi

Hv. Kuv. K.lığı envanterindeki F-16 BLOK 30TM uçaklarına yeni nesil ASELSAN Dost Düşman Tanıma Sistemi entegrasyon faaliyetleri tamamlandı

www.defenceturk.net

First Drone in the world, Akinci will meet AESA radar next year....


Well done Aselsan.

 

[Era_shield]

ASELSAN'dan F-16 BLOK 30TM uçaklarına Dost Düşman Tanıma Sistemi

Hv. Kuv. K.lığı envanterindeki F-16 BLOK 30TM uçaklarına yeni nesil ASELSAN Dost Düşman Tanıma Sistemi entegrasyon faaliyetleri tamamlandı

www.defenceturk.net

First Drone in the world, Akinci will meet AESA radar next year....


Well done Aselsan.

Ever better - it says Akinci will get it this year, while F-16 will get it next year.

 

[Ryder]

People miss the fact that Akıncı and Aksungur will bypass short range air defenses much better than TB-2 with their standoff weaponry those are recently developed. Don't forget the fact that our current class of UCAVs had extensive support from external jamming sources. If you add Akıncı's own jammers to that, you will be getting a whole new level of protection from air defense systems to compensate for increase in RCS. And no, Akıncı is only similar to Reaper in displacement class. You have many more ways to use it like airspace patrol (Extensive detection and limited shoot down capabilities), Ferrying of various UAVs (It will be capable of carrying and dropping kamikaze UAVs doesnt mean it would be limited to kamikaze only though), SEAD/DEAD (Through the capability to use longer range munitions, not like Reaper which is limited to Hellfire) and the list would go on. I highly doubt, even if it can, Akıncı will be used like Reaper in this case

I know right both will have different roles but fanboys just piss me off.

Hurr durr akinci is better hurr durr aksungur is better. Its so childish.

Thank God none of these fanboys take any decisions because in real life we would all be screwed.

I cant wait for both to be operational.

 

[Zafer]

I know right both will have different roles but fanboys just piss me off.

Hurr durr akinci is better hurr durr aksungur is better. Its so childish.

Thank God none of these fanboys take any decisions because in real life we would all be screwed.

I cant wait for both to be operational.

They are not equal.

 

[Ryder]

They are not equal.

I dont think any weapon system is equal due to different roles.

 

[Zafer]

We need to up our game non stop.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Currently, we use costly products such as CATS and MX15D on TB2s. These make up 50-60% of the cost of TB2. We can use lower cost systems. It seems like Aselsan Kırlangıç can do the marking and reconnaissance missions of the TB2. Of course, there will be a difference in performance, but it can be a good alternative especially when embargo and high production are required.

KIRLANGIC Electro-Optical Reconnaissance And Surveillance System | ASELSAN

KIRLANGIC Electro-Optical Reconnaissance And Surveillance System

www.aselsan.com.tr

https://www.aselsan.com.tr/KUZGUN_ElectroOptical_Reconnaissance_Surveillance_and_Targeting_System_8374.pdf