Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

Lordimperator said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750319536476504194

Another Sigma-esque corvette made by local shipyard PT Karimun Anugrah Sejati.
1st cutting steel and keel laying on 25th January 2024.

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Looks like based on vvip corvette, it is logical to derive one lightly armed patrol ship from that, also the shipyard is same afaik.

Gary said:

I mean yeah I'd imagine buying Atamaca for 41 ships (each with no less than 2 or even more launchers) would cost a lot of $$$ as well.

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Maybe 1/5th considering amount of man-hour and fitted electronics and less integration time.

For an AD system there will be a need for 3D search radar (NS50 minimum), mediocre tracking radar (at least one but can be omitted) added personnel (the weapon officer will be someone with knowledge of AD) at least 3 consoles - one for search radar, one for tracking, target information, commander etc - one for missile control interface and there can be more plus the CMS will be 'included in packet'.
Atmaca is; 1 operator console, not necessarily need of a CMS, same guy who earlier done ASuW on that boat, same commander.
If you desire to have an AD system on those ships, Mistral is way to go. One console and 2 of 4 tube launchers on forward and aft positions. You can likely shift the guy who has worked with manpads earlier as well. Low cost, ease of integration, ease of personnel rotation.

Lordimperator said:

Will FMP have the BMD capability? Or it must be the Cafrad full suite?

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Instead of radar, does HISAR/SIPER have at least ATBM capabilities just like Aster 30 block 1?

obviously, Indonesia will have a BMD capable ship if it buys the Italian PPA (Aster 30 NT, MRBM).

Anmdt said:

Looks like based on vvip corvette, it is logical to derive one lightly armed patrol ship from that, also the shipyard is same afaik.

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Yep, its KRI Bung Karno sistership

Lordimperator said:

Yep, its KRI Bung Karno sistership

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The size and duty of the ship makes it perfect for experimentation. They should try domestic CMS and radar on this. I remember of seeing a medium to short range mobile radar somewhere in forum that should do it.

norman88 said:

Instead of radar, does HISAR/SIPER have at least ATBM capabilities just like Aster 30 block 1?

obviously, Indonesia will have a BMD capable ship if it buys the Italian PPA (Aster 30 NT, MRBM).

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If someone claims for one to receive BMD capability at the rumored price range, that is likely a scam. To utilize aster you need L or lower frequency band radar and a capable CMS to coordinate with other resources.

And neither hisar or siper b1 is not BMD missiles. Nor the aster 30 NT will give you BMD capability alone.

norman88 said:

obviously, Indonesia will have a BMD capable ship if it buys the Italian PPA (Aster 30 NT, MRBM).

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Is this a sign?

From picture, new corvette litte diferent design and longest than before





seems to me like opv 90 design

Lordimperator said:

Will FMP have the BMD capability? Or it must be the Cafrad full suite?

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It's not always about the radar. It's also about the missile you plan to use for BMD role. AFAIK even some AEGIS ships are not BMD capable.

Norwegian Nansen class FFGs for example are equipped with both the AEGIS combat suite and AN/SPY/1F. But this is no ship for BMD role as the size of the radar antenna is smaller and they don't have SM-3/6 for BMD role, rather only ESSM. AFAIK our Southern neighbor's 3 ship strong Hobarts are not even BMD ships, but more of area air defense ships.

BMD is another different animal, and among BMD ships itself BMD tasks are divided against what type of BM's they're facing, a ship that is capable of defeating SRBM are in no way guaranteed capable of intercepting MRBM, IRBMs or even ICBMs.

For the likes of China you would need something like a Full AEGIS suite and SM-3/6 missile or Aster 30 B2 BMD which doesn't exist yet

Anmdt said:

If someone claims for one to receive BMD capability at the rumored price range, that is likely a scam. To utilize aster you need L or lower frequency band radar and a capable CMS to coordinate with other resources.

And neither hisar or siper b1 is not BMD missiles. Nor the aster 30 NT will give you BMD capability alone.

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During the US-led multinational exercise Formidable Shield 2017, the KRONOS Grand Naval radar, installed on board of Italy’s “Luigi Rizzo” FREMM Frigate, demonstrated the ability to detect, classify and track with outstanding accuracy the tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs) launched during the live exercise.
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And it is known that the weapons system of PPA is more advanced than Fremm.

Gary said:

installing Atmaca on 41 ships

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I may have missed something, but when did they say they're going to install Atmaca on all refurbished ships?

norman88 said:

During the US-led multinational exercise Formidable Shield 2017, the KRONOS Grand Naval radar, installed on board of Italy’s “Luigi Rizzo” FREMM Frigate, demonstrated the ability to detect, classify and track with outstanding accuracy the tactical ballistic missiles (TBMs) launched during the live exercise.
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And it is known that the weapons system of PPA is more advanced than Fremm.

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And they don't disclose at which stage, most radars capable of doing that in the terminal phase if the BM is targeting likelihood of the vessel and for the terminal phase you less likely need Aster 30 NT B2 or SM-3/6. Aster 30 B1 and SM2 Block IV is (or would) capable of intercepting BM in the terminal phase, in point defense concept. When it is wide-area air defenses , long range detection, tracking and classification with long range and mid course interception, which is what most refers to as BMD is something else.

APAR, SM400, NS200 would all be capable of tracking a BM in neighbourhood of them.

FPXAllen said:

I may have missed something, but when did they say they're going to install Atmaca on all refurbished ships?

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Gary said:

Oh yeah, I think misread it, not all 41 KRI will be fitted with Atmaca LOLLL.

Fom the 12 FPB-57 in active service, realistically only the last 8 boats (Nav II, III and V) could be equipped with Canister type launchers as the first 4 NAV I have no room for such (helipad take all the room)

So that would make 25 ships (8 FPB-57, 3 Fatahillah, and 14 Parchim) to be re-equipped with Atmaca.

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Anmdt said:

And they don't disclose at which stage, most radars capable of doing that in the terminal phase if the BM is targeting likelihood of the vessel and for the terminal phase you less likely need Aster 30 NT B2 or SM-3/6. Aster 30 B1 and SM2 Block IV is (or would) capable of intercepting BM in the terminal phase, in point defense concept. When it is wide-area air defenses , long range detection, tracking and classification with long range and mid course interception, which is what most refers to as BMD is something else.

APAR, SM400, NS200 would all be capable of tracking a BM in neighbourhood of them.

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I mean, they will not develop missiles with anti-MRBM capabilities without adequate platforms (weapons system).

FPXAllen said:

I may have missed something, but when did they say they're going to install Atmaca on all refurbished ships?

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from Lembaga Keris picture

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satria said:

from Lembaga Keris picture

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Yes, precisely. I couldn't find any source that mentioned all 41 ships would be armed with Atmaca. Only some of them.

Also, the screen picture was one of my sources before writing this.

That's why I wrote there that at least three classes of refurbished warships will be fitted with Atmaca.

I wish we just retire all of those parchim.

NEKO said:

I wish we just retire all of those parchim.

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I think bit by bit OPV-90 and Bung Karno class will replace the Parchims. The PC-40/60 program looks like a huge success and repeat orders keep coming after the initial order. I'm expecting the same for the former.

NEKO said:

They are given chance to build the ship now they should go all not and not fuq this up.
Don't be like the OPV, fate is currently unknown. I think the company should be blacklisted if the OPV program mangkrak.

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If the OPV 90 is "mangkrak", this will repeat the history of LST case, someone in the Mindef should go to jail, and reform the mindef coz there are huge budget they're maintain and it is vulnerable to be misused or corrupt

25 JANUARY 2024

Indonesia awards contract for 45 Atmaca anti-ship missile rounds​

by Ridzwan Rahmat


An Atmaca missile seen here being launched from the Turkish corvette TCG Kınalıada . Indonesia looks set to be the first export customer of the missile. (Roketsan)

Indonesia has awarded local defence company PT Republik Defensindo the contract to procure an initial batch of Atmaca anti-ship guided missiles from Turkey, Janes has been informed by multiple sources close to the matter.

This contract, which covers the procurement of 45 missile rounds and associated launcher units and user terminals, paves the way for the Indonesian Navy to be the first export customer of the Turkish-developed guided weapon.


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