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Last week Germany 🇩🇪 announced the procurement of 120,000, 122mm artillery shells for Ukraine. Today German news source Spiegel, citing sources inside the German Defense Ministry, found the source of those shells. They will be procured from Bulgaria 🇧🇬, with some of the shells shipped immediately and the rest supplied throughout the year. All 120,000 shells will be delivered in 2024.

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It became known where Germany will get 120 thousand shells for Ukraine

The details of the agreement on the supply of more than hundreds of thousands of artillery munitions to Ukraine, announced by Germany, have become known
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Do you remember those days how Russians were threatening Sweden and Finland? :))

Welcome 🇸🇪 Together Stronger.
 
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UkroTurk said:
Do you remember those days how Russians were threatening Sweden and Finland? :))

Welcome 🇸🇪 Together Stronger.
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All noise aside, if this war ends with Ukraine giving up 20% of its territory to Russia, but...

1. Finland joins NATO.

2. Sweden joins NATO.

3. 80% of Ukraine joins The EU and NATO.

4. Russia's Soviet stockpile is eliminated.

5. $350 Billion usd worth of Russian funds held in foreign countries is confiscated, liquidated and given to Ukraine to rebuild.

That's among the most pyrhic "victories" imaginable. Russia would actually end the war in a worse geostrategic position than when they started.
 
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Speaking of 1000s of drones when will the west provide Ukrainians with countermeasures against them? Using your brain does not count as cheating.
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No idea on how many they are producing.
 
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almogaver said:
Useless Russian anti drone EW portable device :ROFLMAO:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762094887954968950
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for 5 minutes wouldn't the drone collided with him or someone would have shot the drone with gun? Or they are coping with not having any EW systems since the Ukrainians already have reputation getting themselves encircled like morons and then claiming afterwards they killed 1000s of vatniks.

that doesn't even look like their EW systems with the antennas not sticking out :ROFLMAO:
 
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Germany 🇧🇪 announced that a new military aid package was delivered to Ukraine today. The contents of the package include the following...

- 14,000x 155mm artillery shells.
- 4x WISENT 1 mine clearing tanks.
- 3x remote controlled, mine clearing vehicles.
- 250x tool kits with blasting materials.
- 10x VECTOR reconnaissance drones.
- 22x anti-drone jammers and sensors.
- 4x Border protection vehicles.

www.bundesregierung.de

Military support for Ukraine | Federal Government

War in Ukraine: This list provides an overview of Germany’s lethal and non-lethal military support for Ukraine.
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FiReFTW said:
Macron just said that he doesn't rule out sending NATO soldiers into Ukraine, has this clown lost his mind?
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NATO is not going into Ukraine. This is just Kremlin level fear mongering. NATO is a defensive alliance and Article 5 is only triggered if a NATO member is attacked. Any country that decides to send their troops into Ukraine to help fight the Russians, would be doing so on their own accord, as an individual nation, aside from NATO.
 
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FiReFTW said:
Macron just said that he doesn't rule out sending NATO soldiers into Ukraine, has this clown lost his mind?
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Well since they were the ones that planned Ukraine's last offensive that was supposed to take them to Crimea and maybe those soldiers want to fight for Ukraine more than the Ukrainians themselves, why not? Maybe those bureaucratic soldiers can fight better than those who have already adapted themselves to the war already. They can also use NATO's warfare doctrines that the Ukrainians have used that allowed them to get flanked by the Russians on all sides.
 
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blackjack said:
Well since they were the ones that planned Ukraine's last offensive that was supposed to take them to Crimea and maybe those soldiers want to fight for Ukraine more than the Ukrainians themselves, why not? Maybe those bureaucratic soldiers can fight better than those who have already adapted themselves to the war already. They can also use NATO's warfare doctrines that the Ukrainians have used that allowed them to get flanked by the Russians on all sides
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You and I both know that NATO is not going into Ukraine during a hot war. That's because NATO doesn't send troops anywhere for major conflict, without air supremacy. Now, NATO could easily achieve air supremacy over a much an inferior, constantly disappointing Russian Air Force, but not without destroying targets inside of Russia, which would be a hyper-escalation of the war. Russia would have no non-nuclear answer for hundreds of F-22s, F-35s, F-15s, F-16s and Eurofighters, flying sorties from bases across Europe. But it's not going to happen.

NATO troops are not going to be sent to the battlefield short of their air support. Any suggestion to the contrary is just Russian fantasy.
 
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Relic said:
You and I both know that NATO is not going into Ukraine during a hot war. That's because NATO doesn't send troops anywhere for major conflict, without air supremacy. Now, NATO could easily achieve air supremacy over a much an inferior, constantly disappointing Russian Air Force, but not without destroying targets inside of Russia, which would be a hyper-escalation of the war. Russia would have no non-nuclear answer for hundreds of F-22s, F-35s, F-15s, F-16s and Eurofighters, flying sorties from bases across Europe. But it's not going to happen.

NATO troops are not going to be sent to the battlefield short of their air support. Any suggestion to the contrary is just Russian fantasy.
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Air superiority huh? Where is NATO going to hide all those aircrafts from Russian missiles in which those aircrafts need to be supplied with fuel and weapons at least a 1000kms away from ukraine right? I lost track of how many NATO made air defenses got destroyed and further proof of that is that russians are indiscriminately dropping FABs which are short range and need high altitudes. A Geran-2 production facility(which are like cruise missiles now that they put minature jet engines in) would result in 6000 a year or 500 a month, went from producing 2 kinzhals to 10 kinzhals a month. initial production of the iskander is unknown but increased to several times to whatever the original number was, 30 kalibrs a month and whatever they had in storage would be enough fire power to destroy runways or bunkers without nukes but thermobaric or fragmentation warheads with huge area destruction coverage. Over 1000 S-300 launchers, 458 launchers based on missiles can hold 1, 2 or 4 each than there are many short and medium range missiles with their modifications that can atleast hold off 1000 aircrafts in the air before they never return again with their fuel and ammunition storages that got destroyed and eventually getting destroyed themselves.

So yeah, I think NATO would sort of be forced in a ground war against their will unless you think Russians are the virtuous type to fight fair? Politicians are mostly fucking morons in military affairs anyways so I would be more concerned about what their defense agents or military officials would say making war statements than them.
 
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blackjack said:
Air superiority huh? Where is NATO going to hide all those aircrafts from Russian missiles in which those aircrafts need to be supplied with fuel and weapons at least a 1000kms away from ukraine right? I lost track of how many NATO made air defenses got destroyed and further proof of that is that russians are indiscriminately dropping FABs which are short range and need high altitudes. A Geran-2 production facility(which are like cruise missiles now that they put minature jet engines in) would result in 6000 a year or 500 a month, went from producing 2 kinzhals to 10 kinzhals a month. initial production of the iskander is unknown but increased to several times to whatever the original number was, 30 kalibrs a month and whatever they had in storage would be enough fire power to destroy runways or bunkers without nukes but thermobaric or fragmentation warheads with huge area destruction coverage. Over 1000 S-300 launchers, 458 launchers based on missiles can hold 1, 2 or 4 each than there are many short and medium range missiles with their modifications that can atleast hold off 1000 aircrafts in the air before they never return again with their fuel and ammunition storages that got destroyed and eventually getting destroyed themselves.

So yeah, I think NATO would sort of be forced in a ground war against their will unless you think Russians are the virtuous type to fight fair? Politicians are mostly fucking morons in military affairs anyways so I would be more concerned about what their defense agents or military officials would say making war statements than them.
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Russia hasn't even managed to destroy Ukraine's air capability, never mind NATO's. When F-16s arrive to Ukraine and continue operating, will you admit that what you just wrote here is nonsense?
 
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