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Demirtas is a PKK shitbag
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nurettin demirtaş older brother of selahattin demirtaş, he is a PKK manager in kandil whom after PKK suicide bombing attack said "i wish i was a suicide bomber"

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selo visiting PKK leadership


general hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu former chief of general staff after 28 şubat and the general who said " if irtica is gonna last for 1000 years so does 28 şubat ", explains the foreign supports for PKK and they do terrorism under the name of human right !
 

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nurettin demirtaş older brother of selahattin demirtaş, he is a PKK manager in kandil whom after PKK suicide bombing attack said "i wish i was a suicide bomber"

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selo visiting PKK leadership


general hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu former chief of general staff after 28 şubat and the general who said " if irtica is gonna last for 1000 years so does 28 şubat ", explains the foreign supports for PKK and they do terrorism under the name of human right !

This is how the european-anglo-american agenda works. They support the terrorists against the Turkish state, while at the same time their religious orders like FETO bring Islamists into power of the nation. Whichever direction you move in, your in trouble. This mode of thinking will move across the entire political spectrum, if i had to gamble maybe 90% of all influential political entities within Turkiye are long since compromised. Its the only real way to explain how the nation was brought to this point. The army must have already been compromised enough that they sat back and back until it was too late.

You see a true Islamist would find his blood boiling towards the western backed marxist pkk terrorists. A Muslim would find more urge, more purpose to fight and destroy the western backed terrorists then simply a patriot/nationalist. Because a Muslim would perceive that the PKK as part of the devils game against the Ummah. Its not simply a bunch of terrorists, or a bunch ideologically misguided morons, its a tool of the infidel used to harm the Muslim civilisation. A true Muslim would understand that the Western backed PKK and all of her offshoots must be destroyed.
 

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Allowing millions of kurds to flee into Turkiye as refugees and settle as we can see is bad news for the harmony of the nation.
Could you enlighten us about how many Kurds fled to Türkiye and settled? How many of them are still in here?
 

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Could you enlighten us about how many Kurds fled to Türkiye and settled? How many of them are still in here?

google it, its not hard to find. I get your Kurdish and these issues are sensitive to you, but as Turks its a reality we got to recognise. Turks kept ignoring it and now we got hundreds of thousand if not millions of Kurds sympathetic to the PKK terrorists and undermining the sovereignty of the Turkish nation. In England Kurds in general are all open about their love of the PKK and their hate of the Turkish nation.

Bad news however you look at it. Their general strategy is always the same, run to the nation begging for help. Once in that nation play the oppressed victim while claiming the lands they were welcomed into as "historical kurdistan". They done this in all regions they have ran to in any substantial numbers.

Syria was a good example recently, PKK shit heads from Iraq moving into Syrian lands backed by america killing the local people and claiming the lands were theirs. In general Turks are starting to see the game being played against them, their tired of these enemies of the republic playing the victim in order to subdue Turkish national resolve. I think we can all see those days are coming to an end.

Graham Fuller if you and you CIA instigating shitheads are browsing this forum, step by step the Turks is waking up to your demonic games.
 
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One of the big signs your dealing with enemies of the republic is when they use terms like "secularist, Kemalist" as slurs. For the most part when this is taking place your dealing with non-Turk minorities who are transgressing on your identity while pretending to be of you.

They also generally try to interfere and demean your history and culture. They hate patriotic minded people, nationalist minded people. They hate Turk centric identity but love to push and elevate the minority identities above that of the conqueror.

Instead of identifying as Turkish they identify as Anatolian. Anything Turkish related they try to minimise or undermine. They rush to side with negative accusations against Turkiye, for example the feto boys pushing armenian allegations against Turkiye hiding behind "it wasn't the Muslims, it was the Young Turks."

I could go on and on, but recognise your dealing with low level bastards whose power and influence is derived from the anglo-american leash around their necks. Even if the agenda succeeds against the Turks, these groups do not become masters they become the next Palestinians.
 

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if i had to gamble maybe 90% of all influential political entities within Turkiye are long since compromised
they are since 90s hence the 28 şubat's 18 demand from civilian government ! adnan oktar pedophile sex tarikat wasn't for show according to rahmetli adil serdar saçan's right hand man in interview with veryansın tv ( saçan was head of combating organized crime ) "its easier to say who wasn't compromised by adnan oktar "! from actors to singers to university professors to judges to rich people everyone was involved and adnan oktay video tape them when having sex with 10 years old girls the volume of CDs and DVDs are as large as whole back of a truck and those videos exited te country beside this oktar demanded blood simples from his followers which was in volume of 1 million blood simple in 2 different category of turks and kurds exited the country !! adnan oktar was truly the jeffrey epstein of turkey. only army was not compromised since they live separately from civilians and their name and pictures are hidden its a crime to take picture or publish them.

in veryansın tv interview, the right hand man resist to give specific name but in the end gave 3 names. tansu çiller prime minister of the time meral akşener the interior minister of the time and mehmet eymür head of MIT which explains why MIT never give fetö's member's name to army after 2000s and why army needed to create parallel intelligence service inside the army headed by general çevik bir and general çetin doğan.

fatih erbakan for the long time defended adnan oktar and in past years he suggested that the law that stop people marrying 12 years old need to be removed ! i can guess he is compromised. not only this but i can guess the coalition that lead erbakan to power actually were build on blackmails before coalition erbakan kept saying i have alot of evidence that çiller has committed crime etc but suddenly they become best buddy and make a coalition and this is how erbakan came to power in first place with what erbakan was blackmailing çiller ?? back than fetö was right hand of erbakan and adnan oktar was the left hand of erbakan ofc after 28 şubat fetö was angry that army fired their member and blame erbakan that if he wasn't that radical army wouldn't respond and they would have more time to get to higher positions. also remember back then adnan oktar was among the top 50th islamic figures in the world

one of the first thing erdogan did when he came to power in 2003 was to remove rahmetli adil serdar saçan from head of combating organized crime. then he was tried in ergenekon and balyoz trails. nagehan alçi everyday brought some randowm guy in TV who said i was Tortured by police by adil serdar saçan without even proving in the end adil serdar saçan won all the trails and yet there was no apology from so called journalist class !

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Şebnem Korur Fincancı former president of the Turkish Medical Association with imamson and Özgür Özel


in the end i need to say this otherwise it would be disservice to the adil serdar saçan and his police forces. during trails the medical evidence came to court so this is how it is categorized i dont remeber it fully but its was something like this


1) level 1 cant be prove of Torture since it can be from stress or some other reasons
2) level 2 not prove but person is in high stress
3) level 3 .......
4) level 4 person is indeed Tortured



Şebnem Korur Fincancı as president of the Turkish Medical Association wasin court to testified despite the medical evidence said its a level 1, Şebnem Korur Fincancı falsely testified against adil serdar saçan that the adnan oktar's members were Tortured by him. you may remeber Şebnem Korur Fincancı as woman who accuse TSK using chemical weapons in afrin without any evidence !

hence all those girls were condemned to more gang raped by adnan oktar's pedophile sex tarikat. i also need to remaind you these girls were daughter of islamist family who see adnan oktar as holy man and offer their daughter to him and the girls were told that they are doing sex jihad against kafir Kemalist regime.

all of this was one of the reason that army generals put 18 demands in front of erbakan and forced him to sign it to stop republic's fall
 
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@GoatsMilk today seeing fetö and oktar as evil is a normal thing but back then they were untouchable. i upload some picture and videos just to make you understand the atmosphere

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alparsalan türkeş being best buddy with fetö


look how alp arsalan türkeş praising fetö

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and ofc ecevit who saved gulen from turkish army !!

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after 28 şubat when all fetö's memebers fired hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu become next chief of general staff and army was forcing civilian government to take action, kıvrıkoğlu wanted to arrest gulen but all the political class gatherd to save him. it was people close to ecvit that write to US government that gulen have health problem and only in usa he can be treated and there was need 2 US citizins to be reference for this guy in order for visa to be issued one of the referance was graham fuller former head of cia in turkey !

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watch this 1 min video as you can see in year 2000 , 3 years before Erdogan come to power, general hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu were putting in the list of human right violator in US foreign ministry for trying to arrest fetullah gulen


3-4 years later erdgoan in his famouse " bitsin bu sıla hasreti " speech called ,by then, former chief of general staff hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu the zalim who forced hoca efandi to live in exile !!

and if you want to know who was hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu, he was the general who said " if irtica is gonna last for 1000 years so does 28 şubat " he suffered an assassination attempt in 1997 during Toros-2/97 military exercise in Cyprus by unknown forces the bullet pass near his head and killed Albay Vural Berkay behind him. he was also one of the forces who pervent US force to land in turkey in order to attack iraq and after the attack he put a red line that if there is going to be an autonomus kurdish region then there must be a Turkmen one as well !! and secretly gave turkmens weapons as well as gather sensative information including iraqi's government data on number of population of kurds arabs and turkmens and their names in the region but when tarikat member hilmi özkok become chief of generals staff he sold all of hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu's men during the hood event !! and Erdogan help US to destroy Turkmen population in the region. when kozmik oda opened by erdgoan the name of 848 turkish spy and all those turkmens who worked with 28 şubat generals in iraq were reveled and later killed



tribute to hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu protector of republic
 
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It's mostly about ethnic resentment of the non-Turk elements within that party; as for MHP they're the Gladio so I expect nothing else from them. There are dozens of proclamations about Turkish oppression of Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, etc. by most of the prominent members of Ak party (incidentally mostly non-Turks), esp. before they had to get into the nationalist clothing after losing in 2015 and the infighting of 2016 to garner enough votes again after their first experiment in dismantling the republic backfired electorally.

The Turkish part of their base (which is the lower educated part of ethnic Turks in this country) doesn't understand that their imperial nostalgia for a greater Turkey as in the days of Ottoman empire's height and the religious identity of that empire, can easily be abused by propagandists to break apart the nation-state as this is not the era of empires and national identities are at the heart of national interest for all modern nation-states; they cannot imagine that, in this era of nation-states, any con-federalism which may bring a greater geography under Turkish dominion (a far-fetched fantasy but it does inform their political outlook in ignoring evident corruption and contradictory actions) will only open up the country to further breaking up down the line in the future along old and new ethnic lines.

The reason such a project as EU has been possible for the past 30 years gives some people delusions about possibility of such projects in the age of nation-states. That project has only been possible due to the highest levels of welfare ever achieved in human history; the second that prosperity is in jeopardy (cf. Brexit as a minor deviation) all those nation-states will be at each-other's throats for the slightest of historical grievances (of which they have plenty).

In empires which united various ethnic groups and even nations under the auspices of the imperial family, lack of modern conceptions of nationhood, lack of widespread public education to ingrain national identity, and lack of a bourgeois class blocked any other potential allegiances competing with the allegiance to the empire. Today religion, imperial ambitions, even pan-ethnic conceptions have shown to be incapable of blocking divergence of allegiances in cases of federations and such.

Any double or triple identity opens the floodgates of dual allegiances and dual loyalty leading to inevitable schisms. Sunni Arabs of the same madhab, and even mostly the same tribes (Qahtani and Adnani tribes) in the gulf region are at each other's throats even with new-found prosperity and only now are starting to learn to get along somewhat as any divergence of interests should be dealt with much lower level of emergency as they all have free oil money and they jeopardize it when they fight. But as soon as a crisis rears its head they will be back at each other's throats again. Today's religious brothers are tomorrow's 'Syrian Arabs' vs 'Kurdish nation' vs Turkish nation free for all; demanding overdue interests and nationhood ambitions once the idyllic landscape of religious or geographic unity is history due to a crisis.

Our republic's biggest failure was the fact that it couldn't bring its nation-building to its eastern-most parts, due to capitulations, the two worst wars in history and the modern world's worst economic depression right in between. We should have done it quickly after the second world war like Italy, but due to many factors we failed. Instead of picking up where we left, and gradually achieve the nation-building in four corners of our country through the secular educational system and energized cultural institutions in the age of digital possibilities and credit expansion during the aughts, this admin has dismantled what was left of the nation-building ethos and has replaced it with posturing about imperial nostalgia and religious unitarian approaches against uniqueness of the nation (as evident by recent remarks about Malazgirt, etc.) further weakening national identity.


I'm afraid even a change of admin to chp will not be able to reverse the damage as that would require revolutionary spirit and mobilization to erect the second republic, not piecemeal temporary solutions. Such mobilization I don't see anywhere else either, just bravado and nationalist populism from mhp residues, which I don't trust the intentions and intellect of (and some eurasianist intelligence operations). Nobody is writing about it, there's no discussion, a very low social dynamism exists in this regard as the existential threat to the nation-state is not a tangible one, but it's no less real. Pamphlets, tracts, lectures and discussions should have been all flying in the air of public discourse but alas ... crickets.

Such lack of social dynamism has nothing to do with economic situation btw as one of my friends was trying to justify; highest levels of social dynamism have been achieved by nations in crisis, through war and famine. So that's not an excuse I'm willing to entertain. There should have been manifestos and white books by political parties about how the republic's judiciary and educational agenda has been eroded and what their proposals are for reversing the damage but I haven't seen any. Zero intelligentsia activity, and this is mostly a function of low levels of education and intelligence among the electorate gravitating towards populist one-liner parties and intelligentsia and those parties are always allergic to each other.
In case people thought I'm rambling about imaginary stuff in this post; here's proof about the nature of the plan from the mouth of Gladio vice chair himself:

 

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Why are CHP municipalities withdrawing from the Union of Turkish World Municipalities?
 

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zalim islam strike again ALEYNA TİLKİ's consert is canceled after online Islamist trolls espacially hacı yakışıklı the write of yeni akıt and journalist of AKP attacked it and the Erdogan chosen rektor excuse rain to cancel the consort while graduation ceremony continues. since when we become Afghanistan ??? i remember all of consort during my graduations were canceled by 10 islamist guys protest !


remember islamist we wont forgive those who burned our youth years and will take our revenge on islam itself !

Gök Tengri, Allah’ın zulmüne son versin. Gök Tengri, bir daha zalim İslamî Türkleri yaşatmasın
 

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Still stupid to withdraw, they are giving AKP and AKPian media literally an assist to throw shit on them.
 

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One thing you have to give the Japanese is their intelligence in spotting the clear difference between these PKK types and Turks. In europe they don't do this, infact they tend to do the opposite they promote these PKK types and shit on the common law abiding Turks since its serves their geopolitical agenda for the middle east region. In much of europe when the pkk commits a crime, they throw it at the feet of the Turkish people.
 

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Love how he described them as what they truly are. Some Turks here would do well to remember that being polite about traitors and seditious separatists does not fix the problem of them dismantling the social fabric and civil society of the nation.
 

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Time to remember.

"CHP leader Kılıçdaroğlu also shared a message on his Twitter account under the title 'Our clear and direct call to the government,' stating:

'The Government of National Accord in Libya is a government with international legitimacy according to UN Resolution 2259. Therefore, in order to end the civil war and stop the bloodshed in the country, the United Nations Peacekeeping Force must be deployed to the region without delay. Turkey should take the lead in establishing stability in the region and put all its diplomatic efforts toward this goal.'"


"As CHP, we warn once again that steps taken in the Eastern Mediterranean will not have the desired effect unless our relations with Egypt, Israel, and Syria improve. Therefore, Turkey should first initiate dialogue with the Syrian Administration and promptly send its ambassadors to Egypt and Israel. In addition, the AKP Government must immediately stop being a party to the war in Libya. As long as Turkey remains a source of tension among the parties in Libya, peace and stability will not come to Libya, and this will negatively affect Turkey’s policy in the Eastern Mediterranean."

 
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@GoatsMilk this is a protest against refah party demanding refah party to be closed ! remember back in that time erbakan fetö and adnan oktar were walking hand in hand. everything she said will happen did happened ! she also said americans are behind them just like that general that i showed you whom said some of them with black turban and beared with green flag some of them under the name of revolutionary with yellow flag and red star all of them are drinking water from same source and have one purpose to beat the nation that couldn't beat in çanakkale
 

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