Live Conflict Iran-Israel Conflict (2025)

ah but they didn't see the October 7th attacks coming from across the most watched wall in the world.

GoatsMilk said:

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ah but they didn't see the October 7th attacks coming from across the most watched wall in the world.

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Bazinga!

sup_lol said:

Real stealth drones like the RQ-180 or the lijian or the ch-7 or the s70 are infinitely superior to the shahed. At the end of the day shahed is a kamikaze drone. It doesn't even need to work in tandem with a stealth craft, it needs to be damn good.

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Russia begins producing turbofan-powered Shahed-238 drones​

The Ukrainians suggest that these drones are equipped with a twin-spool turbofan engine, giving them a range of up to 2,500 km and a top speed of 600 km/h. This makes them extremely difficult to intercept for Ukraine’s mobile air defense teams, which rely on anti-aircraft machine guns and autocannons.

The first recorded use of the Shahed-238, likely a test launch, took place in January 2024, but no further strikes have been reported since. Leaked documents from Russia’s Alabuga SEZ industrial hub reveal plans for domestic production of various Shahed-238 variants.

The Shahed-238 kamikaze drone represents a significant evolution in Iran’s unmanned aerial vehicle [UAV] technology, particularly noted for its integration of a jet engine over traditional propeller systems.

Unveiled in November 2023 by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps during an aerospace exhibition, this drone has sparked considerable interest due to its potential military applications and its implications for international security dynamics.

The Shahed-238 is essentially an advanced variant of the Shahed-136, which has been widely used in conflicts, particularly by Russian forces in Ukraine.

What sets the Shahed-238 apart is its turbojet propulsion system, which significantly boosts its speed and maneuverability compared to its piston-engine predecessors. The drone’s design is streamlined, maintaining a delta-wing shape but adapted for the increased airflow demands of jet propulsion.

This drone is powered by either the Toloue-10 or Toloue-13 micro-turbojet engines, which enable it to reach speeds of up to 500 km/h, although there are claims from Russian sources suggesting it can achieve speeds up to 800 km/h during a dive.

This substantial increase in speed over the Shahed-136, which tops out at about 180 km/h, poses a new challenge for air defense systems. However, this speed comes at the cost of reduced range and increased thermal signature, making it potentially more vulnerable to infrared-guided missiles.

Three distinct variants of the Shahed-238 have been observed, each tailored for different operational profiles. The first variant employs a basic GPS and GLONASS-based inertial navigation system, similar to that of the Shahed-136, primarily for striking fixed targets. This model focuses on cost-effectiveness, aiming to deliver precision strikes with minimal guidance technology.

The second variant introduces an electro-optical/infrared [EO/IR] camera system. This allows the drone to engage moving targets with greater accuracy, using either autonomous heat-seeking capabilities or operator-controlled guidance via video feed. This feature can significantly enhance its effectiveness against mobile military assets or in scenarios requiring last-minute target adjustments.

The third variant is equipped with a radar-detection system, intended for suppression of enemy air defenses [SEAD]. This model can detect, track, and attack radar installations or other electromagnetic signal sources, providing a strategic advantage in penetrating defended airspaces.

The Shahed-238’s use of Western components, despite international sanctions, is a notable aspect of its construction. Analysis of downed drones has revealed parts like the Czech-made PBS TJ150 turbojet engine, electronic chips from Intel and Texas Instruments, and satellite navigation components from Tallysman Wireless. This has raised questions about sanction evasion and the global supply chain’s role in military technology.

In terms of deployment, there’s unconfirmed evidence from early 2024 suggesting Russia used at least one Shahed-238 in an attack on Ukraine. However, the Ukrainian Air Force has been cautious in confirming these incidents, indicating a possible ongoing assessment of the drone’s capabilities and countermeasure development.

The Shahed-238’s introduction into active conflict zones could shift tactical approaches, given its speed, which challenges conventional anti-aircraft gun engagements, and its diverse guidance systems, which could overwhelm certain defense mechanisms.

Nonetheless, its higher production cost compared to the Shahed-136 might limit its deployment scale, leading to strategic considerations where quality might be prioritized over quantity.

sup_lol said:

Iran did a horrendous job with its defense aquisition(hell they were even worse than our old men which is an achievement) and their air defence was practically non existent and unequipped to deal with anything isreal threw at them. I'm sure isreal would have whopped iran to kingdom come with only f16Is if needed.



The only lesson I can see looking forward for any nation with hostile neighbours is to have a well equipped airforce even if it is of a smaller size and to not solely rely or air defence unless you have a death wish

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Iran's air defense systems failed because traitors inside hit the air defense units with kamikaze UAVs. Iran's air defense units were also caught unprepared for war. They were hit while en route, before the systems were activated. Another shortcoming may be Iran's electronic warfare capabilities. It is certain that they do not stand much of a chance against the electronic warfare capabilities of the F-35s.

Bogeyman said:

Russia begins producing turbofan-powered Shahed-238 drones​

The Ukrainians suggest that these drones are equipped with a twin-spool turbofan engine, giving them a range of up to 2,500 km and a top speed of 600 km/h. This makes them extremely difficult to intercept for Ukraine’s mobile air defense teams, which rely on anti-aircraft machine guns and autocannons.

The first recorded use of the Shahed-238, likely a test launch, took place in January 2024, but no further strikes have been reported since. Leaked documents from Russia’s Alabuga SEZ industrial hub reveal plans for domestic production of various Shahed-238 variants.

The Shahed-238 kamikaze drone represents a significant evolution in Iran’s unmanned aerial vehicle [UAV] technology, particularly noted for its integration of a jet engine over traditional propeller systems.

Unveiled in November 2023 by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps during an aerospace exhibition, this drone has sparked considerable interest due to its potential military applications and its implications for international security dynamics.

The Shahed-238 is essentially an advanced variant of the Shahed-136, which has been widely used in conflicts, particularly by Russian forces in Ukraine.

What sets the Shahed-238 apart is its turbojet propulsion system, which significantly boosts its speed and maneuverability compared to its piston-engine predecessors. The drone’s design is streamlined, maintaining a delta-wing shape but adapted for the increased airflow demands of jet propulsion.

This drone is powered by either the Toloue-10 or Toloue-13 micro-turbojet engines, which enable it to reach speeds of up to 500 km/h, although there are claims from Russian sources suggesting it can achieve speeds up to 800 km/h during a dive.

This substantial increase in speed over the Shahed-136, which tops out at about 180 km/h, poses a new challenge for air defense systems. However, this speed comes at the cost of reduced range and increased thermal signature, making it potentially more vulnerable to infrared-guided missiles.

Three distinct variants of the Shahed-238 have been observed, each tailored for different operational profiles. The first variant employs a basic GPS and GLONASS-based inertial navigation system, similar to that of the Shahed-136, primarily for striking fixed targets. This model focuses on cost-effectiveness, aiming to deliver precision strikes with minimal guidance technology.

The second variant introduces an electro-optical/infrared [EO/IR] camera system. This allows the drone to engage moving targets with greater accuracy, using either autonomous heat-seeking capabilities or operator-controlled guidance via video feed. This feature can significantly enhance its effectiveness against mobile military assets or in scenarios requiring last-minute target adjustments.

The third variant is equipped with a radar-detection system, intended for suppression of enemy air defenses [SEAD]. This model can detect, track, and attack radar installations or other electromagnetic signal sources, providing a strategic advantage in penetrating defended airspaces.

The Shahed-238’s use of Western components, despite international sanctions, is a notable aspect of its construction. Analysis of downed drones has revealed parts like the Czech-made PBS TJ150 turbojet engine, electronic chips from Intel and Texas Instruments, and satellite navigation components from Tallysman Wireless. This has raised questions about sanction evasion and the global supply chain’s role in military technology.

In terms of deployment, there’s unconfirmed evidence from early 2024 suggesting Russia used at least one Shahed-238 in an attack on Ukraine. However, the Ukrainian Air Force has been cautious in confirming these incidents, indicating a possible ongoing assessment of the drone’s capabilities and countermeasure development.

The Shahed-238’s introduction into active conflict zones could shift tactical approaches, given its speed, which challenges conventional anti-aircraft gun engagements, and its diverse guidance systems, which could overwhelm certain defense mechanisms.

Nonetheless, its higher production cost compared to the Shahed-136 might limit its deployment scale, leading to strategic considerations where quality might be prioritized over quantity.

Russia begins producing turbofan-powered Shahed-238 drones

According to Ukrainian intelligence, Russia has begun local production of Iranian Shahed-238 kamikaze drones, rebranded as Geran-3 with turbofan engine.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Iran's air defense systems failed because traitors inside hit the air defense units with kamikaze UAVs. Iran's air defense units were also caught unprepared for war. They were hit while en route, before the systems were activated. Another shortcoming may be Iran's electronic warfare capabilities. It is certain that they do not stand much of a chance against the electronic warfare capabilities of the F-35s.

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The shahed 238 indeed looks a lot better than the 136 but at the same time it is more vulnerable to IR and mass producing might be an issue with all the western components involved(probably why we haven't seen it being used a lot).

Ah yes well if your gonna have a military the first thing is to have sufficient intelligence capablities and Enough intelligence to realize that a country whose been saying they're gonna bomb you for half a century will have sleeper agents and for you to take measures against such agents.

And well at the end of the day, the f35 is still the f35, probably has the best ew on the planet. Although I'm not really a fan of the planes looks it's still probably the best fighter on the planet for this sorta role

GoatsMilk said:

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ah but they didn't see the October 7th attacks coming from across the most watched wall in the world.

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Who said?..

Bogeyman said:

Russia begins producing turbofan-powered Shahed-238 drones​

The Ukrainians suggest that these drones are equipped with a twin-spool turbofan engine, giving them a range of up to 2,500 km and a top speed of 600 km/h. This makes them extremely difficult to intercept for Ukraine’s mobile air defense teams, which rely on anti-aircraft machine guns and autocannons.

The first recorded use of the Shahed-238, likely a test launch, took place in January 2024, but no further strikes have been reported since. Leaked documents from Russia’s Alabuga SEZ industrial hub reveal plans for domestic production of various Shahed-238 variants.

The Shahed-238 kamikaze drone represents a significant evolution in Iran’s unmanned aerial vehicle [UAV] technology, particularly noted for its integration of a jet engine over traditional propeller systems.

Unveiled in November 2023 by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps during an aerospace exhibition, this drone has sparked considerable interest due to its potential military applications and its implications for international security dynamics.

The Shahed-238 is essentially an advanced variant of the Shahed-136, which has been widely used in conflicts, particularly by Russian forces in Ukraine.

What sets the Shahed-238 apart is its turbojet propulsion system, which significantly boosts its speed and maneuverability compared to its piston-engine predecessors. The drone’s design is streamlined, maintaining a delta-wing shape but adapted for the increased airflow demands of jet propulsion.

This drone is powered by either the Toloue-10 or Toloue-13 micro-turbojet engines, which enable it to reach speeds of up to 500 km/h, although there are claims from Russian sources suggesting it can achieve speeds up to 800 km/h during a dive.

This substantial increase in speed over the Shahed-136, which tops out at about 180 km/h, poses a new challenge for air defense systems. However, this speed comes at the cost of reduced range and increased thermal signature, making it potentially more vulnerable to infrared-guided missiles.

Three distinct variants of the Shahed-238 have been observed, each tailored for different operational profiles. The first variant employs a basic GPS and GLONASS-based inertial navigation system, similar to that of the Shahed-136, primarily for striking fixed targets. This model focuses on cost-effectiveness, aiming to deliver precision strikes with minimal guidance technology.

The second variant introduces an electro-optical/infrared [EO/IR] camera system. This allows the drone to engage moving targets with greater accuracy, using either autonomous heat-seeking capabilities or operator-controlled guidance via video feed. This feature can significantly enhance its effectiveness against mobile military assets or in scenarios requiring last-minute target adjustments.

The third variant is equipped with a radar-detection system, intended for suppression of enemy air defenses [SEAD]. This model can detect, track, and attack radar installations or other electromagnetic signal sources, providing a strategic advantage in penetrating defended airspaces.

The Shahed-238’s use of Western components, despite international sanctions, is a notable aspect of its construction. Analysis of downed drones has revealed parts like the Czech-made PBS TJ150 turbojet engine, electronic chips from Intel and Texas Instruments, and satellite navigation components from Tallysman Wireless. This has raised questions about sanction evasion and the global supply chain’s role in military technology.

In terms of deployment, there’s unconfirmed evidence from early 2024 suggesting Russia used at least one Shahed-238 in an attack on Ukraine. However, the Ukrainian Air Force has been cautious in confirming these incidents, indicating a possible ongoing assessment of the drone’s capabilities and countermeasure development.

The Shahed-238’s introduction into active conflict zones could shift tactical approaches, given its speed, which challenges conventional anti-aircraft gun engagements, and its diverse guidance systems, which could overwhelm certain defense mechanisms.

Nonetheless, its higher production cost compared to the Shahed-136 might limit its deployment scale, leading to strategic considerations where quality might be prioritized over quantity.

Russia begins producing turbofan-powered Shahed-238 drones

According to Ukrainian intelligence, Russia has begun local production of Iranian Shahed-238 kamikaze drones, rebranded as Geran-3 with turbofan engine.

bulgarianmilitary.com

Iran's air defense systems failed because traitors inside hit the air defense units with kamikaze UAVs. Iran's air defense units were also caught unprepared for war. They were hit while en route, before the systems were activated. Another shortcoming may be Iran's electronic warfare capabilities. It is certain that they do not stand much of a chance against the electronic warfare capabilities of the F-35s.

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It’s a classic counter job for ‚Korkut‘ or ‚Cirit/Sungur‘.

Retired Rear Admiral Cihat Yaycı explains the geopolitical and economic importance of this key strait on a map and evaluates possible scenarios.

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Iran’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei has issued a prerecorded message claiming victory over Israel.

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claiming in a televised speech that his country had secured a victory over Israel and delivered a "slap in the face" to Washington.
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What sort of a leader can be so faraway from truth and in such dreamworld?
More over what kind of people in a country can believe and entertain such crap?

I guess being at the age 86 and having been fed with religious ideology all his life, he has lost touch with reality altogether. But the people???

May Turkiye be saved from such leadership.

Yasar_TR said:

Iran's supreme leader claims 'victory' in his first comments after U.S. strikes

Iran's government also voted to suspend cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which will stymie efforts to monitor its uranium enrichment.

www.nbcnews.com

Iran’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei has issued a prerecorded message claiming victory over Israel.

quote:
claiming in a televised speech that his country had secured a victory over Israel and delivered a "slap in the face" to Washington.
unquote.

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I think he talks about "the animation war". Imo they won that "battle of imagination".

Why America's giant bunker-busting bombs may have failed to reach their target​

The infographics were everywhere in the run-up to Sunday's early-morning strike on Iran's nuclear facilities by American stealth bombers.

They depicted America's bunker-busting bomb, known as the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, or GBU-57. It was being dropped from high above the Earth by a B-2 Spirit bomber. Then, the graphics showed it plowing a narrow channel deep beneath the ground — around 60 meters, or 200 feet — and erupting in an illustrated explosion.

Only America had this 30,000-pound weapon. Only America could hit Iran's most deeply buried uranium enrichment site at a place called Fordo. It was buried beneath nearly 90 meters (around 300 feet) of rock, far deeper than Israeli bombs could penetrate.

There was only one problem — I wasn't entirely sure it would work.


Now it appears it may not have. According to a still-classified assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the bombs did not "obliterate" Iran's Fordo enrichment site as President Trump initially claimed. Instead, the strike did only limited damage to the advanced centrifuges kept there. At most, the program was set back "a few months," according to a U.S. official who confirmed the assessment's existence to NPR but remained anonymous because they were not authorized to speak to the press.

Yesterday, the White House disputed that claim.

"The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said on the social media platform X. "Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000 pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration."

Well ... not necessarily.

Decades ago, I covered another effort to create a powerful Earth-penetrating weapon. In the aftermath of Sept. 11, with an eye toward the caves of Afghanistan, where Osama bin Laden was believed to be hiding, then-President George W. Bush's administration looked at whether a nuclear weapon could be dropped from a plane into the ground. The Robust Nuclear Earth Penetrator, as the concept was known, would deliver a powerful shock to underground tunnels and bunkers.

But when scientists got involved, they found there was no way to get a nuclear weapon nearly deep enough to contain the blast and radioactive fallout, and the program was eventually abandoned.

I went back to take a look at the math from those early studies, and I found it actually was fairly straightforward. The so-called penetration equations have existed since the 1960s and depend on a limited number of factors, including the shape of the nose cone, the weight and diameter of the weapon, the speed at which it hits the ground, and — crucially — the type of earth it gets dropped on.

"It depends enormously on the kind of rock," says Raymond Jeanloz, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley and one of the original authors of the 2005 National Academies Study on earth penetrators.

When I ran the calculations, using a key equation from that study, I found out that the GBU-57 could go up to 80 meters (262 feet) underground if it was dropped in silty clay.

In medium-strength rock, things looked far different. The GBU-57 could only go around 7.9 meters (about 25 feet) beneath the earth — far short of the 60 meters claimed by the infographics.

This may be an important part of the reason the weapon failed to destroy its target — if indeed the bombs did fail as the DIA assessment claims.


The administration continues to dispute the reporting that the bombs failed to hit Fordo, although it has shifted its stance. "The intelligence was very inconclusive. The intelligence says, 'We don't know, it could have been very severe' — that's what the intelligence says," President Trump told reporters travelling with him today in the Hague.

Jeanloz says that it's not just the strength of the rock. Changes in the geologic structure can also cause the bomb to change direction even as it moves through the Earth.

"If there's any variations ... including fractures or gaps, that can deflect the trajectory into the ground," he says. Those same variations can disperse any blast from the bomb.

It's clear that American planners were aware of these kinds of challenges. Rather than dispatching one or two GBU-57s, they sent 12 to drop on Fordo. Based on satellite imagery, it looks like they may have been dropped in pairs, with the first weapon fracturing the rock to increase the penetrating depth of the second. The bombers also appeared to target Fordo's ventilation system, a possible weak point.


The weapons likely created a powerful shockwave in the rock that would have traveled deep underground, rattling the facility below.

But Jeanloz says those shockwaves weaken quickly as they move into the rock. Fordo's position directly under the ridge of the mountain probably maximized that protection.

In fact, going deeper is a simple solution to the threat of bunker-busters. A major conclusion from the 2005 study was that "it's cheaper and easier for someone to dig deeper than it is to penetrate through that depth," he says.

Geology, it turns out, may have foiled one of the most audacious American air operations in recent memory.

Early intelligence suggests Iran’s uranium largely intact, European officials say​

Preliminary intelligence assessments provided to European governments indicate that Iran’s highly enriched uranium stockpile remains largely intact following US strikes on its main nuclear sites, two officials have said.

The people said the intelligence suggested that Iran’s stockpile of 408kg of uranium enriched close to weapons-grade levels was not concentrated in Fordow, one of its two main enrichment sites, at the time of last weekend’s attack. It had been distributed to various other locations, the assessments found. The findings call into question US President Donald Trump’s assertion that the bombing had “obliterated” Iran’s nuclear programme.

In an apparent reference to Fordow, Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform on Thursday: “Nothing was taken out of [the] facility. Would take too long, too dangerous, and very heavy and hard to move!”

The people said EU governments were still awaiting a full intelligence report on the extent of the damage to Fordow, which was built deep beneath a mountain near the holy city of Qom, and that one initial report suggested “extensive damages, but not full structural destruction”.

Iranian officials have suggested the enriched uranium stockpile was moved before the US bombing of the plant, which came after days of Israeli strikes on the country.

At a Pentagon press briefing on Thursday, US defence secretary Pete Hegseth sidestepped questions about whether Iran had taken the uranium out of Fordow before the strikes.

When pressed by reporters, Hegseth said: “I’m not aware of any intelligence that I’ve reviewed that says things were not where they were to supposed to be, moved or otherwise.”

The US used bunker-buster bombs to attack Fordow and Natanz, Iran’s other main uranium enrichment facility, on Sunday. It fired cruise missiles at a third site, Isfahan, which was used in the fuel conversion cycle and for storage.

Trump has dismissed a provisional American intelligence assessment, leaked to US media, that said Iran’s nuclear programme had been set back by only a matter of months.

Hegseth lambasted the media on Thursday for focusing on the report, which the US Defense Intelligence Agency had later stressed was a “preliminary, low-confidence assessment”.


The Israel Atomic Energy Commission said this week that it had assessed that US and Israeli strikes had “set back Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons by many years”.

But experts have warned that if Tehran has retained its stockpile of enriched uranium and set up advance centrifuges at hidden sites, it could still have the capacity to produce the fissile material required for a weapon.

Rafael Grossi, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, told French Radio on Thursday that Iran’s nuclear programme had “suffered enormous damage”, though he said claims of its complete destruction were overblown. Iran insists its programme is for peaceful civilian purposes.

Fordow was the main site for enriching uranium up to 60 per cent purity, a small step away from weapons grade. Experts said the 408kg stockpile of uranium enriched to 60 per cent had been stored at Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan before Israel launched its war against Iran on June 13. Iran’s total stockpile of enriched uranium was more than 8,400kg, but most of that was enriched to low levels.

Satellite images of Fordow after Sunday’s bombing show tunnel entrances apparently sealed with earth and holes that may be the entry points of the US’s 30,000lb precision-guided bunker busters. Access roads also appear damaged.

Grossi said this week that Iranian foreign minister Abbas Araghchi had sent a letter to the IAEA on June 13 warning that Iran would “adopt special measures to protect our nuclear equipment and materials”.

Grossi said the UN nuclear watchdog’s inspectors, who have been unable to visit the plants since Israel launched its assault on Iran, should be allowed to return to the sites to “account for the stockpiles of uranium, including, most importantly, the 408kg enriched to 60 per cent”.


The US had not provided definitive intelligence to EU allies on Iran’s remaining nuclear capabilities following the strikes, and was withholding clear guidance on how it plans future relations with Tehran, said three officials briefed on the discussions.

EU policy towards Tehran was “on hold” pending a new initiative from Washington on seeking a diplomatic solution to the nuclear crisis, the people said, adding that conversations between Trump and EU leaders this week had failed to provide a clear message. The Trump administration had been holding indirect negotiations with Tehran before the war in the hopes of a deal to curb its nuclear activities.

Trump said on Wednesday that Washington would talk to Tehran next week, but he also suggested a deal might not be needed following the strikes on Iran’s nuclear plants. “It is completely erratic,” said one of the people.
“For now, we are doing nothing.”

What happens if you drop 10 more on the crater with precise enough guidance? I mean what's really stopping them from pounding those further

uçuyorum said:

What happens if you drop 10 more on the crater with precise enough guidance? I mean what's really stopping them from pounding those further

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They don't have a lot of those types of bombs, thus they want to keep some on hand to use against China, in case a war happens.

The Wall Street Journal claims the US only make 20 of them and they have already used 12.

Bogeyman said:

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WTF is with this Gulf counties and Trump? I mean when ther is need for money Gulfs are ready....

Yasar_TR said:

Iran's supreme leader claims 'victory' in his first comments after U.S. strikes

Iran's government also voted to suspend cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which will stymie efforts to monitor its uranium enrichment.

www.nbcnews.com

Iran’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei has issued a prerecorded message claiming victory over Israel.

quote:
claiming in a televised speech that his country had secured a victory over Israel and delivered a "slap in the face" to Washington.
unquote.

What sort of a leader can be so faraway from truth and in such dreamworld?
More over what kind of people in a country can believe and entertain such crap?

I guess being at the age 86 and having been fed with religious ideology all his life, he has lost touch with reality altogether. But the people???

May Turkiye be saved from such leadership.

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The same Iranians who were basically mentally broken after the first few days and continued in that vein until the ceasefire, are now congratulating each other for winning the war. Delusional fools.

Common issue with the natives of the region. Remember all those Palestinians dancing and celebrating Oct 7th?

Even had that one guy here proclaiming victory for Palestinians when Israel stopped bombing them for 10 minutes.

Barry said:

Common issue with the natives of the region.

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I wonder why... /s

GoatsMilk said:

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ah but they didn't see the October 7th attacks coming from across the most watched wall in the world.

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1) Mossad is not responsible for Gaza.

2) The main problem was the concept: that if we let Gaza prosper they wont have any reason to attack us. Israel allowed Gazans to work at fields right near the border.

And Gaza was indeed prospering:


3) Surely no one thought that Gaza will launch a suicidal attack alone, without Hezbollah and Iran (which Israel followed closely).

Yasar_TR said:

Iran's supreme leader claims 'victory' in his first comments after U.S. strikes

Iran's government also voted to suspend cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency, which will stymie efforts to monitor its uranium enrichment.

www.nbcnews.com

Iran’s Supreme leader Ali Khamenei has issued a prerecorded message claiming victory over Israel.

quote:
claiming in a televised speech that his country had secured a victory over Israel and delivered a "slap in the face" to Washington.
unquote.

What sort of a leader can be so faraway from truth and in such dreamworld?
More over what kind of people in a country can believe and entertain such crap?

I guess being at the age 86 and having been fed with religious ideology all his life, he has lost touch with reality altogether. But the people???

May Turkiye be saved from such leadership.

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I guess there is some truth in that statement first two to three days overwhelmed by the killer machine mossad supported by CIA, may be M9, had their top most military leaders, scientists killed, air defences destroyed, industrial institutions destroyed with drones, to come back from such a position, and inflict considerable amount of infrastructure destruction some areas looked like Gaza, to have their nuclear capabilities intact, and sending even symbolic missile attack on the biggest American base on the middle east, to have the last say in the war by attacking and even causing a entire building destroyed woth death casualties, where trump ordered Netenyahu to bring back his pilots, fear of continuing the war, later admitting that Isreal got thrashed last few days of the war, to strike panic in Isrealists that their own defensive systems is at the verge of running out, iron dome, David sling, the three arrows, American thaad system rendering all ineffective, and coming put of the war without any compromise, while the Americans face saving measures are known to the entire world, like their aircraft carriers retreating, and b7s bombings, their laughable thuggery talks of their president, the world is happy to see the Americans Isrealis taste their own medicine.