Yes, I'm almost certain our agreement with russia has terms that prevent us from getting rid of s400, some other kind of leverage. I mean it was bought to protect president from turkish F16's in another coup attemp anyways, but they aren't being used so whats their purpose now?
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A TEI engineer told me the following at IDEF 2025: The second prototype of the TF6000 will be produced soon, and the third will be built with an afterburner. It was also announced that the TF35000 prototype would be produced in 2026. In this case, they will have begun testing three different turbofan engines.
This means that the second prototype of the TF6000 will be the final design, and then the process for the afterburner will begin.
Another point is that they will have to test and develop three different prototypes simultaneously. They've likely slowed down the TF6000 project and diverted resources to the TF35000.
Our engineer noted that there are significant challenges with raw materials, and this project may not be completed as quickly as we expected, we have the F110 engine to power four or six Kaan engines. The domestic engine may not be ready by 2030. We can probably turn to alternatives to address our fighter jet shortage.
This means that the second prototype of the TF6000 will be the final design, and then the process for the afterburner will begin.
Another point is that they will have to test and develop three different prototypes simultaneously. They've likely slowed down the TF6000 project and diverted resources to the TF35000.
Our engineer noted that there are significant challenges with raw materials, and this project may not be completed as quickly as we expected, we have the F110 engine to power four or six Kaan engines. The domestic engine may not be ready by 2030. We can probably turn to alternatives to address our fighter jet shortage.
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The reported suspension of GE F110 engines - could this be connected with Turkiye buying large amounts of Russian crude? China and India buy the most, followed by Turkiye. Indian exports to the US suffer a 25% penalty tariff due to buying crude from Russia.
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If you listen to Prof Akşit, you will see that they already have 3 TF6000 prototypes. They are conducting different tests on them. The engine has been engineered to provide 6000lbf thrust. They already have attained 3800lbf thrust from the engine. By testing it and gradually increasing its output they will reach the programmed thrust levels.
Today they may have 3800lbf thrust. But they check to see the wear and tear on the engine parts and correct if any parts are not performing to specs and upgrade it accordingly and test it again. By using three prototype engines they are trying to cut down the time needed for the tests.
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Hmm, in this case, more than three prototypes may be produced for the TF6000. The engineer at the fair noted that afterburner is not an easy technology and that significant work has been done on it. Consequently, the TF10000's production schedule will likely take time.
If all goes well, the TF6000 is expected to be produced even sooner, as many prototypes have already been produced.
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Apparently the TF6000 can be used on the Kızılelma if you are OK with subsonic speeds which is acceptable for a first time plane. This will still bring unprecedented capabilities that can patch some of the airforce's shortcomings before Kaan comes online. This engine will be useful for the Kızılelma in case the Ukrainian engine stock runs out, being the second powerful engine down from the Ukrainian afterburner engine. I wish they won't slow down the progress of this engine much while focusing on other engines. It would be fantastic if this engine flies in the next 9 months.
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TF10000 is a different engine. It has to withstand the sudden jolt of the afterburner when it kicks in. Materials and parts used have to be different in places where it matters.
Prof Akşit had mentioned all this before.
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The day Türkiye has Nukes with ICBMs and their own fighter jets should be the day that america gets kicked out of Türkiye. These bastards are anything but allies.
Here in this interview on Kaner’s channel, around 11:45 mark, Özgür Ekşi says that he once asked military technicians in Eskisehir if the F-110 engines in F-16s can be used in dual engine mode for Kaan and they answered they can easily make it work. It was sometimes said here this is not technically possible due to FADEC software and turning direction of the engines but it seems to be technically very feasible. Other obvious problems like legal licensing and F-16 availability notwithstanding of course.
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If enough time and energy is spent on conversion they can be used.
But remember that KAAN’s motor connections to body and F16’s are in totally different positions. You can’t just swap. Also FADEC as you mentioned needs to be programmed to suit a twin engined performance. FADEC (Full Authority Digital Engine/Electronics Control) controls the engine‘s air and fuel mix, controls pilot’s inputs and makes sure engines work in optimum and most efficient manner during flight when the plane undertakes difficult manoeuvres. These changes from plane to plane a hell of a lot. So specific sensors for specific planes sends info to FADEC. And FADEC makes sure the engine performs as it is required from it.
Rotation direction is wrong info. All f110 engines rotate in counterclockwise when look ed at it from the front, as all GE and P&W engines do ; be it single or twin engined. Yet most RR engines rotate in clockwise direction. That includes the EJ200 on Typhoon.
Legal issue is also a point.
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it feels weird to share the words of opposition leader as a source but he says he was told at TUSAŞ that KAAN will fly with indigenous engines in 2032-2033.
Give it a watch. he pretty much nailed it. some factions of CHP are pretty dumb and have an inferiority complex that runs deep when it comes to national projects. This perspective was a breath of fresh air which I hope could cure some of his followers.
Give it a watch. he pretty much nailed it. some factions of CHP are pretty dumb and have an inferiority complex that runs deep when it comes to national projects. This perspective was a breath of fresh air which I hope could cure some of his followers.
What the guys at TUSAS meant is that serial production of KAAN with the national engine will begin in 2032/2033 which is something all of us knew from the beginning of the year
From what I remember, KAAN's first engine firing by TEI/TR Motor will be in 2026 and after 2-3 years of testing (depending on results), the engine will be incorporated into KAAN during the end of 2028/2029 for more testing till 2032/2033 (depending on test results) followed by serial production
The timeline remains unchanged.
To my recollection, i have never seen any info on TF35000's first firing or the start of a prototype building. What we were told is that some early tests will be conducted in 2026. That doesn't mean a prototype. It will be a test article for early testing before committing to a prototype. So it's a part of the engine that will be tested on a specialized rig. It could belong to the compressor, combustion chamber, turbine section and what not.
When they start to build the prototype, it will take 1.5-2 years before it's completed and perform its first firing. We will be shown its full-scale mock-up before the prototype. But that requires an advanced stage in development. The program is still in preliminary-design phase. I for one would feel ecstatic if they could fire the engine first time by 2028.
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If things work out IMO KAAN will have very good sales prospects when it becomes available with TF35000. Su-75 looks like it will never progress past being a dream. If KF-21 is still stuck with GE F414 in ten years' time, the US will have a veto on who buys it. Same for AMCA, which is unlikely to have a non-US engine until around 2040 IMO.
I you don't want F-35 or cannot buy it, KAAN looks like it will be the best (and perhaps only) 5G choice for you for quite a few years from the early 2030's.
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How tho.
There will lots of pressure and sanctions in the process and currently Turkiye is a member of NPT.
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As we can see around us in the world, intentional agreements and contracts means a fack! Worthless like the paper on they were written.
Yeah they work only if they benefit us and Israel. Since Türkiye getting nukes will work for Israel and us treaties, sanctions will be put onto effect including the last letter.
Kaan may fly with indigenous engines in 2032-2033 for test purpose, similar to other countries' tests, 1 f110 + f1 tf35k, but that does not mean those engines will be ready at 2032-2033.
If the information given is coming from a politician, i would think 10 times before trusting on what the politican said, they are the least educated on these topics, even less than normal citizens.
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Yes, some people act like the 2028/29 date is the date of full maturation and incorporation into a block of Kaans. 2028/29 is the date for incorporation into a Kaan for further testing and maturation, which is still an ambitious timeline for such a project but it has been hinted at that the engine itself will also be a work in progress in terms of technologies and generational capacity, hence the first iteration will probably be more akin to a F110 than to a F135, a factor which would make the timeline more plausible. Even then I think it will be delayed to 2031, with full maturation coming sometime in the second half of 2030s.
