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Erdogan’s legacy is defined by the hollowed-out remains of Turkey’s agriculture, education, and health systems. These were not casualties of foreign interference, but sacrifices made to build a network of cronyism designed to ensure absolute loyalty. His unorthodox approach to interest rates, justified by religious rhetoric rather than economic reality, has plunged the country into turmoil. Under his rule, dissent is met with imprisonment, silencing journalists and students alike. He has consolidated all power, yet refuses to accept responsibility for any of the consequences

Crazy watching the state collapse on the chp whilst the pkk dems basically run untouched

duveil said:

Erdogan’s legacy is defined by the hollowed-out remains of Turkey’s agriculture, education, and health systems. These were not casualties of foreign interference, but sacrifices made to build a network of cronyism designed to ensure absolute loyalty. His unorthodox approach to interest rates, justified by religious rhetoric rather than economic reality, has plunged the country into turmoil. Under his rule, dissent is met with imprisonment, silencing journalists and students alike. He has consolidated all power, yet refuses to accept responsibility for any of the consequences

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That may be partly true, but it’s not unique to the AKP; nepotism will always exist—it has always been there and will continue to be there in the future, no matter who comes to power; nobody does anything for free, and inflation isn’t a phenomenon that affects only the AKP either. I don’t need to remind you what Turkey was like in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when there were 1,000,000-lira bills that were worth about as much as toilet paper.

If the parties that preceded the AKP were so good and competent—and I include the CHP in that—then why did Turkey stagnate for nearly half a century in areas such as dual-use technology, infrastructure, water and electricity grids, road networks, healthcare, and so on—that is, in areas that should be a given nationwide? Instead, during my childhood vacations in Turkey, I constantly suffered from diarrhea caused by a gastrointestinal virus in the middle of summer because something as basic as clean tap water wasn’t available. Public restrooms stuffed with feces, expired food in supermarkets that was sold anyway. There was absolutely no regulation in healthcare, the food industry, or marketing, nor was there a proper cold chain—as if we were a Third World country in Africa.

CHP has been to turned to a sh1t circus, riddled with theft, employment of terrorists, nepotism, favouritism, embezzlement, corruption, insider trading, sexual scandals, neglect, blatant lies, empty promises, ridiculing their own constituents, opportunism, money laundering to say the least!
All this after Deniz Baykal was ousted, KK is a clown, ÖÖ is a fvcking scumbag!
I can't believe any supporters if either one of these cvnts! Worse than that, Eko's supporters!
How about some men to lead Atatürk's party?
CHP can't survive with this type of opposition. Some yigit should take the reigns, not these clowns!
It's like watching chimps in a circus, throwing faeces at each other! What an embarrassment!

IC3M@N FX said:

That may be partly true, but it’s not unique to the AKP; nepotism will always exist—it has always been there and will continue to be there in the future, no matter who comes to power; nobody does anything for free, and inflation isn’t a phenomenon that affects only the AKP either. I don’t need to remind you what Turkey was like in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when there were 1,000,000-lira bills that were worth about as much as toilet paper.

If the parties that preceded the AKP were so good and competent—and I include the CHP in that—then why did Turkey stagnate for nearly half a century in areas such as dual-use technology, infrastructure, water and electricity grids, road networks, healthcare, and so on—that is, in areas that should be a given nationwide? Instead, during my childhood vacations in Turkey, I constantly suffered from diarrhea caused by a gastrointestinal virus in the middle of summer because something as basic as clean tap water wasn’t available. Public restrooms stuffed with feces, expired food in supermarkets that was sold anyway. There was absolutely no regulation in healthcare, the food industry, or marketing, nor was there a proper cold chain—as if we were a Third World country in Africa.

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Healthcare and education used to be accessible. Before the 1990s, even a child from a remote Anatolian village could realistically dream of getting a degree. That was possible once. It isn’t anymore.
Today, this country is deeply divided. Around 15% live like they’re in Europe, while the majority struggles at a level far closer to poverty. This didn’t just happen—it was created.
Look at homeownership. It used to be around 67%. Now it’s closer to 47%. That’s not progress—that’s decline. Every time this government “gives” something, it quietly takes far more back.
They constantly promote build-operate-transfer (YİD) projects—roads, bridges, hospitals—as if they’re miracles. Fine, investment is necessary. But where is the transparency? Who calculated the real cost? Why are we, as citizens, paying several times over for these projects? Who benefits from that difference?
We’re told to be proud of international deals, yet we pay significantly more for natural gas than neighboring countries. When journalists ask why, the answer is always the same: “state secret.” Convenient.
For over 20 years, the same leadership has held power—longer than most in our history. And what do we get? The same recycled promises. Remember when we were told the dollar would drop from 5 lira to 2? Now look where it is. And still, no accountability.
Instead, people prefer to attack the opposition while ignoring what’s happening right in front of them. Corruption is overlooked, excuses are made, and loyalty replaces reason.
This isn’t a success story. It’s a system that survives on repetition, distraction, and blind support—and it continues because too many people choose not to question it.

duveil said:

Healthcare and education used to be accessible. Before the 1990s, even a child from a remote Anatolian village could realistically dream of getting a degree. That was possible once. It isn’t anymore.
Today, this country is deeply divided. Around 15% live like they’re in Europe, while the majority struggles at a level far closer to poverty. This didn’t just happen—it was created.
Look at homeownership. It used to be around 67%. Now it’s closer to 47%. That’s not progress—that’s decline. Every time this government “gives” something, it quietly takes far more back.
They constantly promote build-operate-transfer (YİD) projects—roads, bridges, hospitals—as if they’re miracles. Fine, investment is necessary. But where is the transparency? Who calculated the real cost? Why are we, as citizens, paying several times over for these projects? Who benefits from that difference?
We’re told to be proud of international deals, yet we pay significantly more for natural gas than neighboring countries. When journalists ask why, the answer is always the same: “state secret.” Convenient.
For over 20 years, the same leadership has held power—longer than most in our history. And what do we get? The same recycled promises. Remember when we were told the dollar would drop from 5 lira to 2? Now look where it is. And still, no accountability.
Instead, people prefer to attack the opposition while ignoring what’s happening right in front of them. Corruption is overlooked, excuses are made, and loyalty replaces reason.
This isn’t a success story. It’s a system that survives on repetition, distraction, and blind support—and it continues because too many people choose not to question it.

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And you think this will change with a new government?
Can you also tell us how?
I heard in Izmir and Istanbul the CHP fucked up,is this true?
Which parties might be going to work together to change everything for the better?
I ask this information for our foreign members to understand the Turkish political climate so they can have a better picture.

duveil said:

Healthcare and education used to be accessible. Before the 1990s, even a child from a remote Anatolian village could realistically dream of getting a degree. That was possible once. It isn’t anymore.
Today, this country is deeply divided. Around 15% live like they’re in Europe, while the majority struggles at a level far closer to poverty. This didn’t just happen—it was created.
Look at homeownership. It used to be around 67%. Now it’s closer to 47%. That’s not progress—that’s decline. Every time this government “gives” something, it quietly takes far more back.
They constantly promote build-operate-transfer (YİD) projects—roads, bridges, hospitals—as if they’re miracles. Fine, investment is necessary. But where is the transparency? Who calculated the real cost? Why are we, as citizens, paying several times over for these projects? Who benefits from that difference?
We’re told to be proud of international deals, yet we pay significantly more for natural gas than neighboring countries. When journalists ask why, the answer is always the same: “state secret.” Convenient.
For over 20 years, the same leadership has held power—longer than most in our history. And what do we get? The same recycled promises. Remember when we were told the dollar would drop from 5 lira to 2? Now look where it is. And still, no accountability.
Instead, people prefer to attack the opposition while ignoring what’s happening right in front of them. Corruption is overlooked, excuses are made, and loyalty replaces reason.
This isn’t a success story. It’s a system that survives on repetition, distraction, and blind support—and it continues because too many people choose not to question it.

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My approach is critical, and by no means blind: a philosophy has taken root in the current political landscape that leaves me deeply doubtful. It is not enough to simply express a desire to replace the incumbent government; I am missing a concrete, substantial election platform. There are no well-developed milestones, no KPIs, and no tangible strategies to effectively combat rampant inflation and the price spiral. Instead of genuine economic expertise that is explained to the population step by step, I see a frightening deficit in this very economic and industrial competence within the opposition, especially the CHP.

When they fail even at the fundamental reform of urban infrastructure—such as sewage systems, waste management, or stable power supply—which is in the news daily and which I experience firsthand at my summer house in Antalya that I visit every year, how can they succeed in leading an entire country that is far more complex? I am by no means saying that the current government is flawless; they make also mistakes but also success too. Yet, for me, the opposition simply represents an absolute downgrade under these circumstances. It does not help when politicians spout empty rhetoric in front of the cameras and appeal to their devotion to Atatürk, as that is completely and 100% meaningless to me.

What counts for me is measurable performance: Can infrastructure and industrial development, especially in the industrial and defense sectors, be consistently continued? Can Turkey’s defense capability be proactively guaranteed? And are there realistic plans to attract foreign investors for fresh capital and new jobs? These are the answers they fail to provide; instead, I hear only vague promises, with no one really knowing how to execute them. Furthermore, anyone who believes that a change of government will end cronyism or the arbitrary awarding of contracts is being naive. In the end, only the group of beneficiaries would be exchanged, without solving the underlying structural problem. In short, without a clear project plan and demonstrated competence, merely voting out the current government is not a solution, but a massive risk that I, as a voter, am not willing to take.

TR_123456 said:

And you think this will change with a new government?
Can you also tell us how?
I heard in Izmir and Istanbul the CHP fucked up,is this true?
Which parties might be going to work together to change everything for the better?
I ask this information for our foreign members to understand the Turkish political climate so they can have a better picture.

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Discussing which party a citizen votes for, without first understanding the reasons behind their political behavior, will not lead to a productive debate.
Let me state my conclusion upfront: in the most recent election, I voted for TIP. In my youth, I also voted for ÖDP and TKP. However, in the latest elections, I chose to support whichever candidate stood the strongest chance against the AKP. This was entirely my personal choice. I acknowledge that I voted despite certain aspects I did not agree with. Still, I have no doubt that it was the most appropriate move against the current government.
If we start from the beginning, we must first answer the question: why do we vote? As a society, in order to implement organized efforts that ensure fundamental rights, we need a unified system as a country. If medical education took 3 years in Erzincan but 7 years in Istanbul, the system would fall into chaos. That is why, as citizens, we pay taxes, and in return, the people we elect invest in areas such as security, education, healthcare, nutrition, transportation, and communication.
Political parties, in turn, claim that they are best equipped to determine the priorities for these investments in fundamental rights. Some adopt a security-focused approach (such as nationalist parties like ZP and IYIP), while others focus on inequalities in the distribution of wealth along labor-capital lines (such as TIP). Voting behavior, at its core, is this simple.
The AKP, however, disregards fundamental rights and evaluates everything through a religious lens. Are you hungry? Be grateful. Are you unemployed? At least the call to prayer continues and the flag still flies. By shifting attention away from real issues, they occupy themselves with serving their own interests and enriching themselves.
Because, whether one accepts it or not, this is still the secular and democratic Republic of Turkey founded by Atatürk. Yes—secular.
For that reason, I cannot tell you who you should vote for, but I can say with certainty that you should not vote for the AKP.

duveil said:

Discussing which party a citizen votes for, without first understanding the reasons behind their political behavior, will not lead to a productive debate.
Let me state my conclusion upfront: in the most recent election, I voted for TIP. In my youth, I also voted for ÖDP and TKP. However, in the latest elections, I chose to support whichever candidate stood the strongest chance against the AKP. This was entirely my personal choice. I acknowledge that I voted despite certain aspects I did not agree with. Still, I have no doubt that it was the most appropriate move against the current government.
If we start from the beginning, we must first answer the question: why do we vote? As a society, in order to implement organized efforts that ensure fundamental rights, we need a unified system as a country. If medical education took 3 years in Erzincan but 7 years in Istanbul, the system would fall into chaos. That is why, as citizens, we pay taxes, and in return, the people we elect invest in areas such as security, education, healthcare, nutrition, transportation, and communication.
Political parties, in turn, claim that they are best equipped to determine the priorities for these investments in fundamental rights. Some adopt a security-focused approach (such as nationalist parties like ZP and IYIP), while others focus on inequalities in the distribution of wealth along labor-capital lines (such as TIP). Voting behavior, at its core, is this simple.
The AKP, however, disregards fundamental rights and evaluates everything through a religious lens. Are you hungry? Be grateful. Are you unemployed? At least the call to prayer continues and the flag still flies. By shifting attention away from real issues, they occupy themselves with serving their own interests and enriching themselves.
Because, whether one accepts it or not, this is still the secular and democratic Republic of Turkey founded by Atatürk. Yes—secular.
For that reason, I cannot tell you who you should vote for, but I can say with certainty that you should not vote for the AKP.

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This doesnt answer all my questions.
Just answer this one.
Who(alone or in combination with others) stands a chance against the AKP?

TR_123456 said:

This doesnt answer all my questions.
Just answer this one.
Who(alone or in combination with others) stands a chance against the AKP?

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Of course, Mr. Özel

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Of course, Mr. Özel

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Look at his body language.

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Of course, Mr. Özel

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Imagine people who vote for this monkey!

It's pretty clear that some type of game is being played by the US, hence all the strangely accommodating behavior by Tom Barrack.

He's literally said that Türkiye should stop being a nation state, meanwhile other top US officials have said that strong nation states are the biggest threat to Israel.