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I think it requires the attacked country to invoke the clause first to be aided. Which Saudi didn't do so far afaik.
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I don't know how Turkiye, Pak and SA will work jointly on Kaan. There is nothing to develop anymore other than the engine, and the engine has already completed the PDR phase and the CDR phase has started. Saudis might get a local assembly if they order a huge amount. Pakistan won't get block 10 or 20 because of F110 engine(I'm %100 sure the US won't give an export license) and earliest date for the national engine is by the end of 2032-Q1 2033. I guess Pakistan can send its own national weapons for integration to block 30 after 2030
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Because of a technical problem on my side, I can’t post as much as I like recently but all I wanna say is Saudi Arabia never seeks alliances. it simply buys protection even maybe more than other GCC countries. So, no matter what it says on any paper signed, just be cautious when defining it as an alliance.
Turkey dealt a blow to Israel's "Abraham Accords" plan.
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Pakistan i understand, nuclear tech, there's some cooperation regarding training/production etc going on, plus a friendly nation.
Saudi though? Produces nothing but oil, sex offenders and traitors to the ummah, spreads the disease of wahabism/salafism across the globe, helping drag Islam into the mud globally, can't protect itself against Iran because it's dependent on its white masters for arms/defence and got slapped around by some spicy Houthi lads for the last 11 years in a war they themselves started.
When they swallow a load more Iranian ballistics are we going to die for them because they're functionally useless at warfare and defence? WHAT A DEAL
Saudi though? Produces nothing but oil, sex offenders and traitors to the ummah, spreads the disease of wahabism/salafism across the globe, helping drag Islam into the mud globally, can't protect itself against Iran because it's dependent on its white masters for arms/defence and got slapped around by some spicy Houthi lads for the last 11 years in a war they themselves started.
When they swallow a load more Iranian ballistics are we going to die for them because they're functionally useless at warfare and defence? WHAT A DEAL
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Türkiye and Pakistan have excess defence capability that they can sell to Arabia. Arabia has excess buying power that they can use to buy defence capabilities from whoever but they are fed up with fraudster and incapable vendors.
Global firepower ratings, less is more, it shows capability shortcoming, 0 (zero) is optimal
Global firepower ratings, less is more, it shows capability shortcoming, 0 (zero) is optimal
US | 0.0741 |
China | 0.0919 |
Türkiye | 0.1975 more like 0.17 today |
Pakistan | 0.2626 |
Saudi Arabia | 0.4473 |
TR+SA+PK | 0.1000 my estimate, 90% self reliant, 382 million population 5% of world, 6.7% income |
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There weren't any attacks on Saudi oil facilities for quite a few days prior. Probably not a coincidence that this is happening now.
Iran is using its Houthi proxies to test the new alliance.
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Saudi Arabia has drawn two of the Muslim world’s most formidable military powers into its defense as the Iran war moves closer to the kingdom
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Last few days were interesting.
"Mecca Agreement", is not a military pact at this stage. It's clearly a framework agreement with specifics to be covered in the future. But, this shouldn't make one think that it's something ordinary. It is monumental in its own right. There will be many naysayers from multiple parties of course, from atlantic, Israel, Russia, Iran, subcontinent, but making these three countries to put out an agreement and asking others to join in is very important.
I actually agree with the politicians that it is neither anti Iran nor anti Israel. In an ideal world both Israel and Iran would also join the pact in the next decade, this probably won't happen.
Turkey won't send aircraft to Pakistan to fight India when India is fighting "terrorists" next time, nor will it send commandos to Yemen. Pakistan won't deploy fighters to Aegean, Saudi won't cut its hefty relationship with India. But in time we will probably see more TR/SA support to Pakistan both financially and in ISR, Turkey will probably send assets to Red Sea, Saudi will probably invest more heavily in Syria, help curtail Iran in Iraq and support development road and not IMEC. I wouldn't call IMEC dead just yet, but its importance is lowered considerably starting from this week.
"Mecca Agreement", is not a military pact at this stage. It's clearly a framework agreement with specifics to be covered in the future. But, this shouldn't make one think that it's something ordinary. It is monumental in its own right. There will be many naysayers from multiple parties of course, from atlantic, Israel, Russia, Iran, subcontinent, but making these three countries to put out an agreement and asking others to join in is very important.
I actually agree with the politicians that it is neither anti Iran nor anti Israel. In an ideal world both Israel and Iran would also join the pact in the next decade, this probably won't happen.
Turkey won't send aircraft to Pakistan to fight India when India is fighting "terrorists" next time, nor will it send commandos to Yemen. Pakistan won't deploy fighters to Aegean, Saudi won't cut its hefty relationship with India. But in time we will probably see more TR/SA support to Pakistan both financially and in ISR, Turkey will probably send assets to Red Sea, Saudi will probably invest more heavily in Syria, help curtail Iran in Iraq and support development road and not IMEC. I wouldn't call IMEC dead just yet, but its importance is lowered considerably starting from this week.
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Yeah. Well put!
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Seems so. But Iran is extremely experienced to know better than thAt at such an early stage of “alliance “, they might only get maybe de escalation statements.
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Any retaliation for the Houthis attacks by the KSA airforce would be enough IMHO. The alliance may not be invoked.
May 18, 2026
Pakistan has deployed 8,000 troops, a squadron of fighter jets and an air defence system to Saudi Arabia under a mutual defence pact, ramping up military cooperation with Riyadh even as Islamabad serves as the main mediator in the Iran war.
All five sources said the deployment includes around 8,000 troops, with a pledge to send more if needed, as well as a Chinese HQ-9 air defence system.
One of the government sources, who has seen the text of the confidential defence pact, said it provides for the possibility of up to 80,000 Pakistani troops being deployed to Saudi Arabia, to help secure the kingdom's borders alongside Saudi forces.
As soon as the ceasefire was signed in the 40-day war, Pakistan indicated it could potentially deploy 80,000 troops to Saudi Arabia. They have already deployed 1-2 squadrons of JF-17s.
Therefore, it wouldn't be surprising if Türkiye undertook a similar initiative. Yesterday, Hakan Fidan emphasized this precisely. If Saudi Arabia expects support from its partners in the event of an attack, that support will not go unreciprocated. If the same call comes from Türkiye and Pakistan, other countries will provide support.
You cannot create deterrence against your enemies without an agreement that will be implemented like Article 5 of NATO. At its core, this requires believing that the agreement will be activated when you need help; and your enemies must see this belief reflected in defense purchases/technology sharing, the establishment of permanent bases, and military exercises.
If this agreement remains only on paper, as you say, you cannot intimidate anyone (neither Iran nor Israel).
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Pakistan deployed a major combat contingent—including up to 13,000 troops, a squadron of JF-17 fighter jets, drone units, and Chinese-made HQ-9 air defense systems—to Saudi Arabia's King Abdulaziz Air Base. This deployment operates under a bilateral mutual defense agreement signed by the two nations. [1, 2]
Deployment Overview
- Troop Strength: Roughly 8,000 to 13,000 active military personnel deployed to forward positions in the kingdom's Eastern Province. [1, 2, 3]
- Air Power & Hardware: Around 16 JF-17 fighter jets, support aircraft, drone squadrons, and HQ-9 air defense units operated entirely by Pakistani personnel. [1, 2]
- Financing & Context: The mission is funded by Riyadh and shifts Pakistan's historic training and advisory presence into a direct combat-ready defense posture amid regional tensions. [1, 2, 3]
- The Defense Pact: Stemming from a strategic mutual defense framework, the agreement treats an attack on one nation as an attack on both, with provisions allowing for even larger force deployments if required
Israeli Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli: The Mecca Alliance is a very dangerous and very troubling development. Saudi Arabia was essentially sitting on the fence.
It already had a defense agreement with Pakistan, but the moment it goes with the Turks—who are in a direct confrontation with us, one that could develop to dimensions that may have extremely serious consequences, both in the Mediterranean and on the Syrian front—this is a development that is very, very bad for us, for Israel.
It requires us to deepen our alliances with Greece and Cyprus, the United Arab Emirates, and Somaliland.
If you threaten Israel but fail to back it up on the ground, Israel will both dismantle the alliance you've built by sowing seeds of distrust through its agents and undermine your dominance by further arming your enemies and sabotaging your investments in Syria and Cyprus.
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So what can we deploy on fast track in Saudi Arabia;
- Kızılelma + various munitions
- Siper1 & Siper2
- Hisar family
- Sungur Manpads
- Radar systems
- Anti-drone systems
- More of defensive systems that we want to push to the field
- 3000 troops
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currently nothing of that as we either dont have enough or they are simply not ready yet.
The saudis face two threats one way attack drones and ballistic missiles with our capacity we could defend against the drones
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We want our new systems to prove their worth, they can gain valuable experience in the field. More reasons to speed up development. They can do their first job earlier if we deploy them abroad first.
