TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

Yasar_TR · Aug 21, 2026

MonteCarlo said:
seeker technology from Tayfun block 3 will also be integrated into aeroballistic missiles like Iha-122, 230 and 300-Er.

Murat ikinci also calls it a "imaging" seeker while correcting the reporter saying laser seeker.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090717701819846768

That video looks like the old one that was discussed here in detail about “moving target” issue.
But nevertheless it makes every Turk proud to see it over and over again.
Great news that they are delivering more and more of them to the forces.

Tayfun, with all of it’s blocks, is a weapon that is a deterrent in it’s own right.

But the 300ER missile launched from air is going to be a real game changer weapon. Especially if it is going to have the capability to hit moving sea targets like the block 3 in the video. With it’s over 500 km range it will be an air launched stand off supersonic ballistic AShM.
Kaan, F16s and Typhoon jets (once integrated) will be able to launch these in multiple quantities from stand off distances to take out AD systems, radar centres and disable enemy ships.

MonteCarlo · Aug 21, 2026

Yasar_TR said:
That video looks like the old one that was discussed here in detail about “moving target” issue.
But nevertheless it makes every Turk proud to see it over and over again.
Great news that they are delivering more and more of them to the forces.

Tayfun, with all of it’s blocks, is a weapon that is a deterrent in it’s own right.

But the 300ER missile launched from air is going to be a real game changer weapon. Especially if it is going to have the capability to hit moving sea targets like the block 3 in the video. With it’s over 500 km range it will be an air launched stand off supersonic ballistic AShM.
Kaan, F16s and Typhoon jets (once integrated) will be able to launch these in multiple quantities from stand off distances to take out AD systems, radar centres and disable enemy ships.

It is from recent interview in Teknofest. I linked the wrong source sorry

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090717289910079803

Bogeyman · Aug 21, 2026

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090447912220426460

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090489160360427798

"Drone Submunitions - rocket delivered drone swarms While we are currently worried about individual drones, the future threat imo will be drone submunitions delivered by missiles.

A GMLRS rocket could deliver 100 of these Drone40 sized munitions to a target 80-150km away. Operating autonomously with image recognition, they could perform a grid search of a square kilometer or more, exterminating any soldiers or vehicles they encounter.

Traditional drone defenses (other than netting) would be ineffective because the missile delivers them all at once, right on top of you. If these aren't already in testing they will be soon."

The idea of firing mini Çakır cruise missiles from the Gezgin cruise missile to increase saturation power.

Or, transforming the Atmaca anti-ship missile into a platform carrying around 100 FPV kamikaze UAVs. Crazy ideas are coming to mind.

UkroTurk · Aug 21, 2026

Bogeyman said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090447912220426460

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090489160360427798

"Drone Submunitions - rocket delivered drone swarms While we are currently worried about individual drones, the future threat imo will be drone submunitions delivered by missiles.

A GMLRS rocket could deliver 100 of these Drone40 sized munitions to a target 80-150km away. Operating autonomously with image recognition, they could perform a grid search of a square kilometer or more, exterminating any soldiers or vehicles they encounter.

Traditional drone defenses (other than netting) would be ineffective because the missile delivers them all at once, right on top of you. If these aren't already in testing they will be soon."

The idea of firing mini Çakır cruise missiles from the Gezgin cruise missile to increase saturation power.

Or, transforming the Atmaca anti-ship missile into a platform carrying around 100 FPV kamikaze UAVs. Crazy ideas are coming to mind.

What about delivery of Sonobuoys or mini USV?

Bogeyman · Aug 21, 2026

UkroTurk said:
What about delivery of Sonobuoys or mini USV?

We could actually convert any type of missile or torpedo into a carrier platform. Imagine a mini kamikaze unmanned submarine emerging from inside the Akya. Even 3-4 of them could engage multiple ships simultaneously. Moreover, torpedoes travel fast. If we launched kamikazes 2 km from the target, we would practically create a new terminology: "underwater saturation."

@Anmdt
What do you think? Is something like this possible?

Anmdt · Aug 22, 2026

Bogeyman said:
We could actually convert any type of missile or torpedo into a carrier platform. Imagine a mini kamikaze unmanned submarine emerging from inside the Akya. Even 3-4 of them could engage multiple ships simultaneously. Moreover, torpedoes travel fast. If we launched kamikazes 2 km from the target, we would practically create a new terminology: "underwater saturation."

@Anmdt
What do you think? Is something like this possible?

Roketsan initially has worked on propelled carrier capsule for delivery of anti ship missiles, later changed to typical capsule launch.
It makes sense but the torpedo itself, if it manages to get a few km close, is sufficiently and more deadlier. It makes more sense to create a low-cost loitering torpedo / owa-uuv with aforementioned kamikaze drones, or submunitions to saturate.

Bogeyman · Aug 22, 2026

Anmdt said:
Roketsan initially has worked on propelled carrier capsule for delivery of anti ship missiles, later changed to typical capsule launch.
It makes sense but the torpedo itself, if it manages to get a few km close, is sufficiently and more deadlier. It makes more sense to create a low-cost loitering torpedo / owa-uuv with aforementioned kamikaze drones, or submunitions to saturate.

However, when kamikaze unmanned underwater vehicles attack you via saturation attacks, it is very difficult to attack them from the surface. Whether due to detection difficulties, their maneuverability, or the problems kamikaze UAVs face in flying at very low altitudes in the open sea, using UAVs for defensive purposes becomes impossible. Therefore, defense against saturation attacks carried out by unmanned submarines/underwater vehicles is only possible from underwater. Torpedoes, on the other hand, will enable rapid deployment and the transport of a large number of kamikaze attack vehicles.

We have seen ASELSAN's swarm logic used on kamikaze attack and reconnaissance vehicles on unmanned mini-submarines/kamikazes. As this becomes more widespread globally, the UAV-UAV warfare that began in the air will evolve into a new form in the seas in the future.

zio · Aug 22, 2026

We have not got orka torpedo,untill than everything on ASW wll be in trouble.

Sanchez · Aug 23, 2026

zio said:
We have not got orka torpedo,untill than everything on ASW wll be in trouble.

Developing torpedos are hard. We still have a very nice number of Mk 54s and older but very potent Mk 46s. If SIPRI is to be believed we have some 700(?) Mk 46s. But yes, we haven't heard anything of Orka for some years.

Mk 46 Mod 5s are old but good weapons. If we really have that many, they'd work wonderfully on swarming USVs, which we already saw some tests for.

Anmdt · Aug 23, 2026

Bogeyman said:
However, when kamikaze unmanned underwater vehicles attack you via saturation attacks, it is very difficult to attack them from the surface. Whether due to detection difficulties, their maneuverability, or the problems kamikaze UAVs face in flying at very low altitudes in the open sea, using UAVs for defensive purposes becomes impossible. Therefore, defense against saturation attacks carried out by unmanned submarines/underwater vehicles is only possible from underwater. Torpedoes, on the other hand, will enable rapid deployment and the transport of a large number of kamikaze attack vehicles.

We have seen ASELSAN's swarm logic used on kamikaze attack and reconnaissance vehicles on unmanned mini-submarines/kamikazes. As this becomes more widespread globally, the UAV-UAV warfare that began in the air will evolve into a new form in the seas in the future.

Before all we should remember that torpedoes are valuable and expendable munitions. It takes quite a lot of effort to keep a submarine stealth, unknown to the adversary and to launch a torpedo at a target - so from payload point of view it takes a lot of effort to bring them close to the enemy ship.
The next matter is torpedo itself is deadly enough and as hard as to evade / counter attack as a saturation attack and if succeeds, usually it eliminates the target as whole.
If we are talking about ship launched torpedoes then why not, but the actual torpedoes carried by a submarine is far more valuable to dispense at a saturation attack. Like i have said, i'd support a loitering and low cost unmanned underwater vehicle for the duty and if launched by ships, uavs. It is easy to replenish those.

Sanchez · Aug 23, 2026

Anmdt said:
far more valuable to dispense at a saturation attack

We could go for cheaper wake homing a la soviets for these, but i doubt that would work in a closed sea like med where traffic is very heavy.

UkroTurk · Aug 23, 2026

Anmdt said:
If we are talking about ship launched torpedoes then why not

Tuzla-class patrol boats are primarily designed to detect and counter submarine threats. For this purpose, they are equipped with ASELSAN ASW rockets and a powerful commercial sonar system.

Given their mission profile, it seems quite likely that Tuzla-class patrol boats could encounter submarine threats. But in such a situation, are the ASELSAN ASW rockets really sufficient?

These rockets are not designed to destroy an enemy submarine. Their purpose is more to force the submarine away and disrupt its mission. If that is the case, wouldn't it make sense to equip Tuzla-class boats with at least one lightweight torpedo each?

We can even see torpedoes being integrated into Türkiye's unmanned naval platforms. So why are Tuzla-class patrol boats being left without this capability?

For example, autonomous sonar receivers deployed along our coastline could detect an enemy submarine. The nearest patrol boat could then launch a torpedo from a distance of 10–15 km, without having to approach the submarine too closely.

With the current ASW rockets, however, the patrol boat apparently has to get within around 2 km of the detected threat before it can engage it.

UkroTurk · Aug 23, 2026

Sanchez said:
We could go for cheaper wake homing a la soviets for these, but i doubt that would work in a closed sea like med where traffic is very heavy.

We need very light weight torpedoes.
ASW rockets lack an onboard acoustic seeker; if the target moves evasively after launch, the fixed-depth explosion might miss unless the saturation area covers the error margin.

Manufacturing the Very Lightweight Torpedo | Northrop Grumman

Northrop Grumman is driving the vision for a less expensive torpedo design that's also light enough to be carried on new generations of smaller delivery platforms.

www.northropgrumman.com

zio · Aug 23, 2026

Sanchez said:
Developing torpedos are hard. We still have a very nice number of Mk 54s and older but very potent Mk 46s. If SIPRI is to be believed we have some 700(?) Mk 46s. But yes, we haven't heard anything of Orka for some years.

Mk 46 Mod 5s are old but good weapons. If we really have that many, they'd work wonderfully on swarming USVs, which we already saw some tests for.

Mk46 LWT is not good in islands sea and Mk54 numbers are not enough.

Kaan Azman · Aug 24, 2026

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2091945635238797806

Where are you, Akdoğan???

It is just sad that TÜBİTAK SAGE's idea to make a mini air-to-air missile did not go beyond idea stage, it would be especially useful for KIZILELMA and ANKA-III. Imagine KIZILELMA carrying 4+ air-to-air missiles internally with more luxury to get closer compared to KAAN.

UkroTurk · Aug 24, 2026

Kaan Azman said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2091945635238797806

Where are you, Akdoğan???

It is just sad that TÜBİTAK SAGE's idea to make a mini air-to-air missile did not go beyond idea stage, it would be especially useful for KIZILELMA and ANKA-III. Imagine KIZILELMA carrying 4+ air-to-air missiles internally with more luxury to get closer compared to KAAN.

I think KızılElma's internal weapon bay could carry 4x Amraam or Bozdoğan.

Kızılelma longer and larger than this concept fighter.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/prospects-for-a-light-stealth-fighter.41959/

4x AMRAAM and sufficient fuel carried internally in a Gripen sized fighter is absolutely feasible. Check it out here:

Sanchez · Aug 27, 2026

Finally land launched Çakır tests, against a land and a surface target. New booster, folding wings and canister, IIR and radar guided versions tested.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2093020997599330329

Pokemonte13 · Aug 27, 2026

Sanchez said:
and radar guided versions

That’s I think the most interesting part about this test. The last time ÇAKIR was fired with a rf seeker was 3 years ago(they didn’t specify the seeker but it lacked an IIR seeker back then).

Pokemonte13 · Aug 27, 2026

AKINCI UCAV Test Fires Cruise Missile Çakır | TURDEF

President of Defence Industry Agency Professor İsmail Demir stated that Baykar's Akıncı UCAV test fired Roketsan's cruise missile Çakır.

turdef.com

Kaan Azman · Aug 28, 2026

It is possible that this was a test vehicle, and we dont usually see any kind of seeker for first cruising tests

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