TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

I feel like tolun EW would be much more interesting pairing for airbases specifically. Having stand-in drfm jamming combined with low rcs and iir signature of Tolun would complicate the job of shorad a lot. Ideally adding stand off jamming from Koral/hava soj would increase the potential even more.

Even the package of 2 tolun EW/6 tolun p released from single Anka-3/ Kızılelma would create serious problems that would multiply with each added aircraft

That's a whole different game and you're absolutely right about Tolun EW in a scenario like that for hangars, and possibly reinforced hangars. I was more thinking about frontline fortifications, like how Russians have been using their FABs. Tolun's range means a low observability drone like KE or Anka 3 should be far safer than the jets they've been using and the combined low cost of Tolun and drone flight times, would make attacking any frontline far easier and economical. These different variants are really great options to have.

If there are any left to clean up bro!
If you notice this test was done with the test platform‘s bottom parts’ sides open. And how devastating that was. In real life, inside concrete tunnels or totally enclosed spaces, the explosive force is going to be more destructive.
An explosion in a restricted or confined space produces exponentially higher peak pressures, severe shockwave reflections, and a drastically higher mortality rate than the same blast in an open space, due to trapped energy and structural confinement.

You're absolutely right about the fortification itself mate, I was more thinking about the area around the fortification after it is hit, making sure the road is absolutely clear. Let's say we sent 2 Tolun P each towards two frontline bunkers, then sent 2 Tolun F each after those, that pretty could potentially clear a section of a defensive line both from fortifications and possibly combatants (obviously, it wouldn't be just that easy, I know) and that is just 1 drone.

But, I am really waiting for the tests of Roketsan's new smaller cruise missile. 125 kg with 250km range, if I recall correctly, and supposed to be cheap for a cruise missile. If they can deliver on that, it is going to give even TB3 a true stand off missile, let alone our bigger drones. That could allow us to saturate the fuck out of any air defence combined with kamikaze drones and more expensive missiles.

 

[boredaf]

IMHO this mini cruise missile from Roketsan will be the main weapon of ANKA-3 and KE. Both should be able to carry at least two in their IWB already. AFAIK there is no AD System which can hit a stealth platform at 250 km range. We could literally spam this combo.

06 May 2026

SAHA EXPO 2026: ROKETSAN Unveils Mini Cruise Missile | TURDEF

ROKETSAN has unveiled its low-cost mini cruise missile to provide a stand-off range, but at a far smaller size and weight compared to its other cruise missiles.

turdef.com

This is the one, yeah. If both of them can carry 8 Tolun inside, which means they can carry 2 Sadak 4T, they should be able to fit 4 I think. These are the dimensions of Sadak: 3210 mm x 356 mm x 212 mm; two of them gives 712 mm width, without taking into account any empty space before or after them. Tolun P's diameter is 164 mm, Tolun F 185 mm. Çakır is 275, and since this one is supposed to be a "mini" cruise missile, it is going to be closer to Tolun's diameter for sure, even if not as slim.

I think both KE and Anka-3 should be able to hold 4 of these, assuming its diameter is closer to 200mm than 250. It could be a brilliant missile to spam, as you said.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Footage of Roketsan Eren intercepting RSF CH-95

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2089331995969040850

 

[TR_123456]

Footage of Roketsan Eren intercepting RSF CH-95

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2089331995969040850

Check if it is already posted.

 

[dBSPL]

Precision deep strike

Bunker-penetrating TOLUN P, a battlefield force multiplier against armored and reinforced concrete-protected targets, is mission-ready.

Fantastic educational video, showcasing in 4K the progress we've made in smart munitions' sequential penetration principles and advanced warhead fuses.

It's clearly evident that one precise shot or two consecutive Tolun-P munitions have the power to demolish a 4-5 story building constructed with C-30/35 civilian concrete standards. A truly significant tactical achievement in this 250 lb weight class!

 

[MonteCarlo]

Footage of Roketsan Eren intercepting RSF CH-95

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2089331995969040850

Check if it is already posted.

It was the footage from Eren's own optical system which never has been shared before AFAIK but seems to be deleted. I have the video but don't know how wise it would be to share it again after how fast it was deleted

 

[Samba]

It was the footage from Eren's own optical system which never has been shared before AFAIK but seems to be deleted. I have the video but don't know how wise it would be to share it again after how fast it was deleted

Please do

 

[MonteCarlo]

seeker technology from Tayfun block 3 will also be integrated into aeroballistic missiles like Iha-122, 230 and 300-Er.

Murat ikinci also calls it a "imaging" seeker while correcting the reporter saying laser seeker.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090717701819846768

 

[Yasar_TR]

seeker technology from Tayfun block 3 will also be integrated into aeroballistic missiles like Iha-122, 230 and 300-Er.

Murat ikinci also calls it a "imaging" seeker while correcting the reporter saying laser seeker.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090717701819846768

That video looks like the old one that was discussed here in detail about “moving target” issue.
But nevertheless it makes every Turk proud to see it over and over again.
Great news that they are delivering more and more of them to the forces.

Tayfun, with all of it’s blocks, is a weapon that is a deterrent in it’s own right.

But the 300ER missile launched from air is going to be a real game changer weapon. Especially if it is going to have the capability to hit moving sea targets like the block 3 in the video. With it’s over 500 km range it will be an air launched stand off supersonic ballistic AShM.
Kaan, F16s and Typhoon jets (once integrated) will be able to launch these in multiple quantities from stand off distances to take out AD systems, radar centres and disable enemy ships.

 

[MonteCarlo]

That video looks like the old one that was discussed here in detail about “moving target” issue.
But nevertheless it makes every Turk proud to see it over and over again.
Great news that they are delivering more and more of them to the forces.

Tayfun, with all of it’s blocks, is a weapon that is a deterrent in it’s own right.

But the 300ER missile launched from air is going to be a real game changer weapon. Especially if it is going to have the capability to hit moving sea targets like the block 3 in the video. With it’s over 500 km range it will be an air launched stand off supersonic ballistic AShM.
Kaan, F16s and Typhoon jets (once integrated) will be able to launch these in multiple quantities from stand off distances to take out AD systems, radar centres and disable enemy ships.

It is from recent interview in Teknofest. I linked the wrong source sorry

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090717289910079803

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090447912220426460

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090489160360427798

"Drone Submunitions - rocket delivered drone swarms While we are currently worried about individual drones, the future threat imo will be drone submunitions delivered by missiles.

A GMLRS rocket could deliver 100 of these Drone40 sized munitions to a target 80-150km away. Operating autonomously with image recognition, they could perform a grid search of a square kilometer or more, exterminating any soldiers or vehicles they encounter.

Traditional drone defenses (other than netting) would be ineffective because the missile delivers them all at once, right on top of you. If these aren't already in testing they will be soon."

The idea of firing mini Çakır cruise missiles from the Gezgin cruise missile to increase saturation power.

Or, transforming the Atmaca anti-ship missile into a platform carrying around 100 FPV kamikaze UAVs. Crazy ideas are coming to mind.

 

[UkroTurk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090447912220426460

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2090489160360427798

"Drone Submunitions - rocket delivered drone swarms While we are currently worried about individual drones, the future threat imo will be drone submunitions delivered by missiles.

A GMLRS rocket could deliver 100 of these Drone40 sized munitions to a target 80-150km away. Operating autonomously with image recognition, they could perform a grid search of a square kilometer or more, exterminating any soldiers or vehicles they encounter.

Traditional drone defenses (other than netting) would be ineffective because the missile delivers them all at once, right on top of you. If these aren't already in testing they will be soon."

The idea of firing mini Çakır cruise missiles from the Gezgin cruise missile to increase saturation power.

Or, transforming the Atmaca anti-ship missile into a platform carrying around 100 FPV kamikaze UAVs. Crazy ideas are coming to mind.

What about delivery of Sonobuoys or mini USV?

 

[Bogeyman]

What about delivery of Sonobuoys or mini USV?

We could actually convert any type of missile or torpedo into a carrier platform. Imagine a mini kamikaze unmanned submarine emerging from inside the Akya. Even 3-4 of them could engage multiple ships simultaneously. Moreover, torpedoes travel fast. If we launched kamikazes 2 km from the target, we would practically create a new terminology: "underwater saturation."

@Anmdt
What do you think? Is something like this possible?

 

[Anmdt]

We could actually convert any type of missile or torpedo into a carrier platform. Imagine a mini kamikaze unmanned submarine emerging from inside the Akya. Even 3-4 of them could engage multiple ships simultaneously. Moreover, torpedoes travel fast. If we launched kamikazes 2 km from the target, we would practically create a new terminology: "underwater saturation."

@Anmdt
What do you think? Is something like this possible?

Roketsan initially has worked on propelled carrier capsule for delivery of anti ship missiles, later changed to typical capsule launch.
It makes sense but the torpedo itself, if it manages to get a few km close, is sufficiently and more deadlier. It makes more sense to create a low-cost loitering torpedo / owa-uuv with aforementioned kamikaze drones, or submunitions to saturate.

 

[Bogeyman]

Roketsan initially has worked on propelled carrier capsule for delivery of anti ship missiles, later changed to typical capsule launch.
It makes sense but the torpedo itself, if it manages to get a few km close, is sufficiently and more deadlier. It makes more sense to create a low-cost loitering torpedo / owa-uuv with aforementioned kamikaze drones, or submunitions to saturate.

However, when kamikaze unmanned underwater vehicles attack you via saturation attacks, it is very difficult to attack them from the surface. Whether due to detection difficulties, their maneuverability, or the problems kamikaze UAVs face in flying at very low altitudes in the open sea, using UAVs for defensive purposes becomes impossible. Therefore, defense against saturation attacks carried out by unmanned submarines/underwater vehicles is only possible from underwater. Torpedoes, on the other hand, will enable rapid deployment and the transport of a large number of kamikaze attack vehicles.

We have seen ASELSAN's swarm logic used on kamikaze attack and reconnaissance vehicles on unmanned mini-submarines/kamikazes. As this becomes more widespread globally, the UAV-UAV warfare that began in the air will evolve into a new form in the seas in the future.

 

[zio]

We have not got orka torpedo,untill than everything on ASW wll be in trouble.

 

[Sanchez]

We have not got orka torpedo,untill than everything on ASW wll be in trouble.

Developing torpedos are hard. We still have a very nice number of Mk 54s and older but very potent Mk 46s. If SIPRI is to be believed we have some 700(?) Mk 46s. But yes, we haven't heard anything of Orka for some years.

Mk 46 Mod 5s are old but good weapons. If we really have that many, they'd work wonderfully on swarming USVs, which we already saw some tests for.

 

[Anmdt]

However, when kamikaze unmanned underwater vehicles attack you via saturation attacks, it is very difficult to attack them from the surface. Whether due to detection difficulties, their maneuverability, or the problems kamikaze UAVs face in flying at very low altitudes in the open sea, using UAVs for defensive purposes becomes impossible. Therefore, defense against saturation attacks carried out by unmanned submarines/underwater vehicles is only possible from underwater. Torpedoes, on the other hand, will enable rapid deployment and the transport of a large number of kamikaze attack vehicles.

We have seen ASELSAN's swarm logic used on kamikaze attack and reconnaissance vehicles on unmanned mini-submarines/kamikazes. As this becomes more widespread globally, the UAV-UAV warfare that began in the air will evolve into a new form in the seas in the future.

Before all we should remember that torpedoes are valuable and expendable munitions. It takes quite a lot of effort to keep a submarine stealth, unknown to the adversary and to launch a torpedo at a target - so from payload point of view it takes a lot of effort to bring them close to the enemy ship.
The next matter is torpedo itself is deadly enough and as hard as to evade / counter attack as a saturation attack and if succeeds, usually it eliminates the target as whole.
If we are talking about ship launched torpedoes then why not, but the actual torpedoes carried by a submarine is far more valuable to dispense at a saturation attack. Like i have said, i'd support a loitering and low cost unmanned underwater vehicle for the duty and if launched by ships, uavs. It is easy to replenish those.

 

[Sanchez]

far more valuable to dispense at a saturation attack

We could go for cheaper wake homing a la soviets for these, but i doubt that would work in a closed sea like med where traffic is very heavy.

 

[UkroTurk]

If we are talking about ship launched torpedoes then why not

Tuzla-class patrol boats are primarily designed to detect and counter submarine threats. For this purpose, they are equipped with ASELSAN ASW rockets and a powerful commercial sonar system.

Given their mission profile, it seems quite likely that Tuzla-class patrol boats could encounter submarine threats. But in such a situation, are the ASELSAN ASW rockets really sufficient?

These rockets are not designed to destroy an enemy submarine. Their purpose is more to force the submarine away and disrupt its mission. If that is the case, wouldn't it make sense to equip Tuzla-class boats with at least one lightweight torpedo each?

We can even see torpedoes being integrated into Türkiye's unmanned naval platforms. So why are Tuzla-class patrol boats being left without this capability?

For example, autonomous sonar receivers deployed along our coastline could detect an enemy submarine. The nearest patrol boat could then launch a torpedo from a distance of 10–15 km, without having to approach the submarine too closely.

With the current ASW rockets, however, the patrol boat apparently has to get within around 2 km of the detected threat before it can engage it.