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Still nothing compared to what Turks spend with their salary on those. Imagine you spent more than 10% of your monthly income just for filling your car. As for food, i thought the prices were quite reasonable for what you get in a high salary country.

If we look at the list following comes to light: Turkey * Asia 38,759 Japan * Asia 48,813 Switzerland * Europe 84,469 So you want to tell me a Japanese with his salary can afford only slightly more stuff than a Turk? Just a comparison of the prices of cars, electronics, energy...

By that logic almost no country has classes anymore...

Rich, poor and the more and more disappearing middle class, the former two are the growing groups. This is the exact situation of a economically dying socieity, it has started in east asia decades ago and Turkey is following their footsteps.

These are based on official statistics such a Tüik's inflation rate which in reality is double the official numbers. They are still trying to fool the public with fabricated numbers but reality kicks in once you visit the market again. This gotta be the most delusional post i have seen of you...

I dont understand why they insist on WWII style soviet tactics while the enemy can watch them 27/4 from the air...

I absolutely understand what you are trying to say in contrary to some people, its really hard to question or critisize anything without getting labeled these days, this is the exact reason why i kept quiet about Kizilelma because some of my questions or criticisms will surely agitate some...

Force of habit, Chinese started the target of competing with the US long ago while Russia struggles against its former subject and not being in position of helping its ally Armenia.

I really hope thats the case.

Prototype is the learning experience, rushing this one might even be worse if you ask me.

The progress and what we saw so far looks really promising and i cant wait to see the first take off yet i am a little bit concerned about the pace of the project. They are rushing it too much imo, pushing the engineers to their limits is a dangerous game that could have bad consequences and all...

Yep, Pakistan can not afford a 5th gen fighter let alone finance its development, they need the money on much more urgent needs right now like a possible war against taliban Afganistan.

Turkey needs more than just financial supporter, i think Malaysia is the most likely candidate, they can assist in electronics for sure, it the part that Turkey is lacking as of now.

People bought cheap stocks with their dollars for short term profit, its like bitcoin, volatile markets have big up sand big downs due to short term investors.

So you dont remember what i said but still assume it was biased, dude, for real..

They never got the publicity from national media. On topic: I would say lets not assume capabilities of a prototype against proven platforms before it has proven itself.

Were you not accusing me of being pessimistic about everything in Turkey when i pointed out exactly this? So you knew and underrstood exactly what i was saying but choose to resort to assumptions, why am i not surprised?

TFX should be called ''Sahin'' and Hürjet should be called ''Kartal''.

People forget that building factories is the easiest part, the hardest is the human ressources, most of these countries have zero experience in building an aircraft, much less a 5th gen and its sub systems. And financially, well yeah, some of them are even on the brink of bankruptcy so i wouldnt...

The beast is taking shape, i love the design. :)