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Could anyone please help me regarding Özgür F16? I tried really hard to spot any distinctive features to distinguish Özgür F16s from any other in TurAF service (other than that horrible, outdated pixelated camo anppearance) and couldn’t find anything to that end. Are there any and if so, could...

So far, almost everybody agrees that it was a batch manufactured for BD. I also remember, however, one or two disagreeing and claiming they were a BD batch and destined for BD.

I’d say I knew that and it just came out like that but it’s too late for that now I guess :LOL: Stand corrected uncle (y)

Sweet music to my ears

Top of my head, they can stay in Turkish or other friendly nations ports indefinitely 🤔

Just for clarification, are you referring to Milgem project ships or defense contracts with Malaysia when you say “more”?

This is good enough to get @Fuzuli NL going 😁

There you said it yourself. They have soul! They are pieces of craftsmanship whereas modern ones are mass manufactured utilitarian machines.

Citroen! A real automobile icon! I still remember what 007 ordered for breakfast: Toast, fresh figs (when in Turkey do as Turks do! Duh!) and Turkish coffee! Oh Mr. Bond, how more can you get Turkish :LOL:

With all due respect sir, the vintage Cuban cars actually happen to be “Turkish style” :cool: Seriously though, when I was a kid, my favorite among those vintage “dolmuş” cars was the De Soto For the simple reason of this most beautiful hood ornament That figure head mesmerized me for...

Es Es and Fethi Heper! They completed each other so well. 1/2 century later whenever someone says EsEs I remember Fethi Heper. Beautiful city, good local culture and huge football town. Respect 🫡

This guy, whoever he is, my hero. We all know that Turkish football is dominated by the “Three Bigs of Istanbul” but also oddly enough the entire population of all different geographic regions of the country despite their unique cultures are somehow devoted fans of one those “Three Bigs” So...

Ah you Canucks, always have to remind Americans that Kirk is actually one of you, heh? :LOL: BTW funny you brought this up TurAF personnel call Phantom affectionately as “Baba” literally meaning “Pops”. It has dual meaning in Turkish, though. first one of course as one’s own father and an...

And the name being uttered by the “Khan” of ham acting himself, Mr. Shatner makes it more iconic imo :LOL: @Sanchez , @Nilgiri

TF100. I thought it has been left on the ash heap of history a long time ago which I never understood why, btw. So, you’re thinking of something around 6000 tons with 16-32 cells VLS. Could they work around TF2000 to create a lighter weight hull from it, a TF2000 series of ships like Milgem...

Then it’s official now. Turkish Navy really needs a 4000 - 5000 tons ship between Istif and TF200. If the TF2000 designed with the criteria of “Unconditional operation at sea state 5 and conditional operation with speed and heading limitations at sea state 6” then it’s fair to assume that...

I think we need to revisit the moniker issue. I had posted about it a while back then. F= Fighter ==> Savaşçı (TR literal tranlatio) F= Avcı (TurAF designation) Its usage is almost identical to “Jagd” by Germans, meaning “Hunter” B= Bomber ==> Bombacı (TR literal translation) B= Bombardıman...

Other than the pronunciation difficulties I like this better. And it defines the odyssey of Turkish aviation industry, MMU in particular. English translation sounds nice, too. Born Free!

I doubt whether he missed the meaning there. He simply tried to refer the status ”as is”. He didn’t say it was a testbed iirc. In fact, that’s why I quoted it as “a good test bed” as it is currently, not “the test bed” and as a prototype it’s lacking many components obviously and even maybe...

There was this *contributor at trmilitary forum who suggested that this was “a good test bed”, not Atak 2 itself. Well, looking at this bare-bone “aircraft” stripped of fuselage parts and lack of many components, I’m beginning to believe that is the case. *EDIT: I would gladly share his name...