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I see, are those southern chinese are han too? I dated a chinese indonesian before, a couple of them exactly, there are this girl with Tung family name (like mao tse tung) with 175cm height, and theres a girl with Tan family name who is petite (150cm), are chinese family name show us from where...

Are those northern chinese are a Han Chinese or Manchu chinese or Mongolian chinese or mixed of Han+manchu or Han+mongolian? I've seen mongolian have tall and bulky soldiers so i presume mongolian are taller in heights compared to chinese

Older generation (older than me) have smaller height, but the same generation as me, we have similar height, but mostly natives are taller than chinese indonesian by small margin (5cm difference), but the young generation of chinese indonesian are tall, 175-185cm averages perhaps because of...

I have several chinese indonesian friends, most of them are shorter than me or the same height as me, but there's one who have 195cm height, thus he play basketball for my university team, but he sure not as bright as my shorter chinese indonesian friends

Hmm that's funny, i was born in 1979 born from a poor family thus not many consumes "healthy nutrition", my height 179cm and i am average among my same age friends, my oldest son, he is 13 y/o he's 175cm, i am sure he will surpassed me this year and will end up 185cm if not 190cm when he's 17...

We should considered to develop long range cruise missile to balanced it, i remember back in formil theres a guy who tries to design one

How many F-15Ex exactly that we wanted to purchase!? 8,16, 24 or 36 unit

Like you said it your self, if the US don't want to lose those "lucrative" fighter market here in Indonesia, they should let us purchase F-15Ex if they don't want us to own F-35. As long they keep pushing on F-16v that the MoD don't want, I feel better if we just go all the way for Rafale...

We are not gonna cut ties with the US, if the US wanted us to purchases some of their goodies there are plenties US toys that we can buy, like C-130 J and E-7a Wedgetail. And if I am not mistaken, those KF-21 Boromae have two separate production line, one in South Korea and one in Bandung...

Just like i said before, if the US don't want to sell us F-35 and F-15Ex, we better go for Rafale all the way, just add those Rafale contract from 36 to 64 unit, and concentrate on KF-21 Boromae development so we can purchased it before 2028 to replace our aging F-16

Why don't make it all Rafale, just add the quantity of Rafale purchase than adding F-15Ex, or F-16v (that the MOD don't want), so the composition of TNI-AU will be 34 F-16 legacy and let say 48 or 64 Rafale, But if the US wanted to donated used F-16 C/D I won't mind hahhahaah......and it will...

Ask the Korean to develop marine KF-21 then (with folded wing like F-18), they also have plan on building their own aircraft carrier :)

Damn, I hope all the member here can actively join the discussion, with this many Indonesian member it reminds me of formils Kaskus.....

I vote 4 @flogger

08 said no to single engine but wanted F-35 lol, i don't know who whispered in his ear to reject and sideline F-16, perhaps he had a french salesman as his internal staff

A combination of F-15Ex + used F-16 from boneyard or from american allies country that will phassed out their F-16 and upgraded it to V standard to cut the arrival timeframe will be best though

Why would we wanted to replace the weaponry and system to european if the japanese/usa system can communicate to european system as well

If we really interested with used La Fayette class is this meant that there's no large combatan after iver like Fremm or 30FFM!!?? if it is, that would be suck big time

Megavision for home/wifii/cable tv connection, Rp.400k And use Telkomsel simpati for my cellphone internet connection, i spent only Rp 180k (50gb) monthly, my wife use Telkomsel also with bigger data package, she used 100gb package permonth (Rp300k), sometimes more

Banyak kok pemimpin di negara ini yang ga kompeten walau "sekolah tinggi", jadi wajar juga kalau kebanyakan rakyat biasa indonesia cara berfikirnya setengah matang :(