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I know, the topic was about export potential, which is not possible withour your own domestic engine.

To be totally honest Hurjet doesn't need to be successful in exports, being able to export it is always a nice bonus but the current goal is to become as self sufficient as possible, and we won't be able to achieve that without mastering jet engine production.

Okay i was right for not trusting it, should i just delete it? I got hyped for no reason man. :(

My friend, although your intentions are good and you have some good points, you are trying to fix a ground prototype that wasn't even supposed to fly. Wait for the actual fly prototypes that will be built in 2025, you are comparing a ground and first prototype to already finished and flying...

You are mostly right but let's not forget 1 very important point. Israel, Republicans are even more pro Israel than Democrats, with the current anti Israel sentiment/policy going on in our country, we may even face harsher conditions than before. I hope Erdogan stops the popular sentiments for...

So, what exactly are we gaining by giving YPG time to prepare and arm up? I just can't seem to understand that part.

This is also what i've been hearing from experienced users in twitter that follow the Syrian conflict for a very long time. Although there are multiple signs and hints that there will be a new operation, they do believe that there will be nothing important on our side. Can experienced people...

Just don't answer to him mate, he thinks he is being clever by using Altay as an example non stop, i would explain why he is wrong but i will not entertain a troll. I wish a moderator deletes all this nonsensical off-topic argument. He is under propulsion systems and compares jet engine...

The main limitation with Hurjet is it's engine, you can't sell it to anyone outside of US allies, and there is no program or even any slight talk or hint about a domestic engine for Hurjet(at least not yet) so even if it has the possibility of selling like hot cakes, Turkey won't be able to sell...

Waiting means delaying the first flight of Kaan to 2032 in best case scenario, and that is for test flights only, i don't think that's acceptable, they want to start flying Kaan block early 2028 due to some geopolitical reasons of our neighbors.

Germany will eventually have to give in, it already pissed off all the consortium members, due to their blockage of sales for no reason. Hence the reason they don't want to include Germany in any joint production stuff anymore. Consortium wants to keep the EF production line alive and we are the...

I personally think we may try to get the WS-15 engine but the question is, would China give us that very advanced engine? Maybe if the ties with USA gets torn so badly that they may consider it. Another option is EJ-200 would the Germans let us produce and use that engine in our Kaan? In worst...

I also think similarly, which it was my main question, i wonder what we are going to do if USA denies us those engines.

Because you are comparing an end product to a prototype that is not even a fly prototype. Kaan will get many iterations and changes with the upcoming fly prototype(s) in 2025, it will get shorter and will have a more compact design close to production prototype after installment of the...

Ah yeah, you were talking about the same rumors for red lines, yeah i totally misunderstood that part, my bad.

I also saw tweets from good defence industry channels that deny that. Turkey has 2 very strict red lines, they don't accept any conditions on where to fly whatever they buy and the most important part is the integration of our indigenous systems. This is not a rumor, Eurofighter...

I guess that was my mistake, i guess i remember wrong that the deal also includes the engines, thanks for the correction. This correction brings another question though, it seems that USA is not keen to sell us the engines for Hurjet and Kaan unless CAATSA is lifted, what our other options for...

Eurofighter acquisition is totally seperate of F16V package deal, one doesn't cancel the other one. In fact, the f16 package is more important because it contains jet engines which Turkey needs both for Kaan and Hurjet and hudreds of missiles.

What baffles me since a very long time is that what we are going to do if we fail to acquire more F110 Engines for Kaan until we manage to develop TF-35000 into operational state? We have some alternatives(WS10, WS15, AL41/51) but i really doubt that we will try to get those unless we get...

Most of the islands are so close to Turkish Mainland that no country can hold/defend these if Turkey decides to attack to be totally honest, but i don't think Turkey will attack unless it's really cornered and has no other option to dictate some of it's terms.