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It will obviously change. It's an iterative design, they have multiple prototypes lined up.

Considering design phase still continues and phase 2 was only signed for 2 weeks ago, I expect 2032 at the earliest. Wish they go for a private interim design that won't need the Istanbul shipyard to be built as a stopgap between Istif and TF2000.

Ironically aside from the delay on TF2000 production timeline and confirming that MUGEM is still very much in the preliminary design process, we didn't learn anything new from the seminar so far.

Turkey, not being a member of EU, EEA, EFTA or Ukraine, is not eligible for SAFE funds. This just opens the avenue for low interest loans that will be paid by EU to be funneled to purchase of Turkish weapons and systems by these countries. Many EU countries already opted for Turkish products...

This project was signed in 2022. We are still yet to see any ship other than Adas, Istanbul or Oruçreis MLU with Atmaca. Deliveries in the program are to be concluded by 2027.

I really don't think TB2 is <90% Turkish, but yes. It's unclear if Turkey (still) being a candidate country puts us in a better spot than say Korea and whether we should sign a defence treaty with EU.

EU's new 150bn defence fund SAFE is now online. Turkish companies as I understand it will still require EU partners, but this will open the door to Turkish companies to get contracts with direct EU funding of low interest loans, both for EU and for Ukrainian needs. "The eligible activities...

Istanbul was delayed by years because design and foreign components were changed considerably while it was built. TF2000 doesn't have the same problem.

While we are talking about SLBMs on 3000 ton subs, TF-2000 design process is still not complete and production is seemingly a long while away from beginning in phase 2. "TF-2000 Phase-1 activities continue at the Project Design Office of the DZKK. Within the scope of the project, model...

I'm not really sure if this is to scale.

STM500 was something navy or SSB never asked for. STM went it thinking they could either get funding for more studies or bag a customer. Neither happened. It wasn't a "project" to be funded however.

I think this was expected. Nothing for now, but we'll see some contracts being dished out for Syrian needs. How the times change. Syria to possibly buy up to 400 Vuran APCs, obviously with a pretty favorable credit line.

I think we can do a bit better than simple whataboutism in a forum of peers.

He probably had some issues relating to having the okay to talk about it publicly, but he said that it is concrete in another comment.

Isn't that basically what happened with Trisula? I didn't want to say it outright but what do you expect. Aselsan being lacking in that claim, Havelsan lacks the capability to design and build its own radars by itself. Someone has to supply it. Maybe wait 5-10 years :)

That's interesting to say the least. I'm sure there's a Czech company out there to supply the radar. This would be a very interesting program, we haven't heard anything about it. Surely not a joint project, as we have no radars for an airborne platform for now and and there's no way they choose...

Gotta love that "diplomatic tone".

They aren't, raw material is the ore. What they are probably supplying is much, much more complicated and is a product in itself.

Our best look yet to an air force T70 CSAR helicopter with its LWR, MWR, RWR, RF jammer, FLIR and winch. Not sure about the winch, but rest are Aselsan products. Such a complete, great package. I do hope T70 issue is soon resolved and we can continue production.