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[Sanchez]

Ironically aside from the delay on TF2000 production timeline and confirming that MUGEM is still very much in the preliminary design process, we didn't learn anything new from the seminar so far.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Yes
I would be happy if someone proves otherwise.

Yeah I was as surprised when I was going through whatever was said about Tayfun. Shame that I missed it 2 years ago when listeing to the interview.

Tayfun Serial Production Started | TURDEF

The serial production of the Tayfun missile, which was test fired from Rize-Artvin airport last week, started.

turdef.com

"According to İkinci, Tayfun Block 1 has approximately a range of 1000 km, and Block 2 will have a 1500 km range."

 

[mTT]

They literally say here that after a certain achieved range, they stop giving information about the range. So can you please tell me at which minute and second Mr. Ikinci gives that information about Tayfun? Then they talk about Siper Block-I with 100 km range and Siper Blcok-II with 150 km range.

15:50 ( Let's examine the example he gave mathematically, they reached a maximum of 1500 km. )


Edit:
To lift 100 kg of cargo to 500km altitude, the missile must have a horizontal range of 1000-1500km.

 

[mTT]

At that minute they talk about satellite launching system.
@mTT
What are you trying to tell? First of all TurDef writes like Mr. Iknici gave range information about Tayfun, which looks like just wrong. And what you say is imformation about satellite launching system.

SSB President Tayfun stated that the launch system was developed jointly.

 

[mTT]

@mTT
What are you trying to tell? First of all TurDef writes like Mr. Iknici gave range information about Tayfun, which looks like just wrong. And what you say is imformation about satellite launching system.

SSB and Roketsan have no official range announcement, but there are hidden messages in the statements made.
"Space Program" , "TAYFUN"


I think there will be a 1500km range variant of the Tayfun.

He did not officially provide range information. I think the same as you — I calculated the range based on his comments. TURDEF may have calculated it like I did or obtained the information from other sources

 

[mTT]

Then they have to indicate that. You can't just write that someone said something.

 

[No Name]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1926695504789856611

It seems there are issues with funding of some projects.

I don't think that is the case.

I think he is just sad that STM 500 wouldn't get the contract. The reality is that the STM 500 project's timeline never aligned in a way that would have let STM be part of the procurement process.

The STM 500s timeline states that it will take 6 years to complete, a timeframe that was announced back in 2022. Even if the state gave more funding, it wouldn't have changed anything, most likely.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I don't think that is the case.

I think he is just sad that STM 500 wouldn't get the contract. The reality is that the STM 500 project's timeline never aligned in a way that would have let STM be part of the procurement process.

The STM 500s timeline states that it will take 6 years to complete, a timeframe that was announced back in 2022. Even if the state gave more funding, it wouldn't have changed anything, most likely.

What Kozan means the intrest of the navy and the support is to late or to little as STM started it as their own project but even with goverment support it would still take time because its the domesticly designed and built submarine.

 

[Anmdt]

What Kozan means the intrest of the navy and the support is to late or to little as STM started it as their own project but even with goverment support it would still take time because its the domesticly designed and built submarine.

STM is SSB's company though. Do the logic, state does support STM500, hence it still exists and STM (indirectly SSB) may fund it.

Ironically aside from the delay on TF2000 production timeline and confirming that MUGEM is still very much in the preliminary design process, we didn't learn anything new from the seminar so far.

Safe to tell preliminary is far ahead than MUGEM's current state. It is more of conceptualization, feasilibility stage with little to none human resources being spared for. Same for NUKDEN, they haven't even bothered to do the concept yet.

 

[No Name]

STM is SSB's company though. Do the logic, state does support STM500, hence it still exists and STM (indirectly SSB) may fund it.

Safe to tell preliminary is far ahead than MUGEM's current state. It is more of conceptualization, feasilibility stage with little to none human resources being spared for. Same for NUKDEN, they haven't even bothered to do the concept yet.

So, is the TF 2000 under construction or not? I'm confused.

 

[Pokemonte13]

So, is the TF 2000 under construction or not? I'm confused.

It is but it’s like a learning ship

 

[Huelague]

It is but it’s like a learning ship

He means steal-cut, I guess.

 

[zio]

Hisar class,what isit?

 

[begturan]

Hisar class,what isit? View attachment 75448

DENİZGÖZÜ AHTAPOT - ASELSAN

www.aselsan.com

That is Ahtopot just turned its back.

 

[Sanchez]

Hisar class,what isit? View attachment 75448

Ahtapot EO director. FLIR for ships.

 

[zio]

Is it ku band satcom or aselsan areas ew antenna?

 

[Sanchez]

As it was announced and as I thought, 2 Gabyas, and the 9000 tons TCG Ütğm Arif Ekmekçi will be accompanying Oruçreis to Somalia, forming the "Somalia Naval Task Group". No announcement on the route, but I'm still thinking they will traverse the cape. Both Gediz and Gökova are Genesis ships and are equipped with Smart-S radars and Mk-41 VLS. We will be down 2 capable air defence platforms for an unspecified length of time. TCG Ekmekçi was commissioned this year and I think this will be her first real deployment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841793764026679405

2 old girls and Arif Ekmekçi are returning back to Turkey after more than 8 months. After a much needed maintenance, rest and recuperation, it should make the naval planning a bit easier. Hopefully if there's a second activation of the task group we'll see Hisars instead, though they lack the air defence capabilities Gabyas have.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1934539268677926919

 

[Ripley]

It seems that a smaller Turkish company has displayed some smart and cost effective solutions towards increasing threat of swarms of kamikaze USVs and rouge sea mines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937819165991022646

Mr. Özberk who was at Indo Defence tells the system(s) in detail.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937843836744614038

“Perhaps the most interesting but not very noticeable product of the Indo Defence fair was SARPAN and THORN, developed by a Turkish company, Aeromac Electronics, to counter drifting mines and kamikaze drone attacks.

SARPAN is dropped on top of the mine by rotary wing drones to neutralize the detected drifting mines. The SARPAN that sticks to the mine is fired remotely to destroy the mine. Thanks to this product, there is no need for EODs or MCM ships to approach the mine, reducing the risk.

THORN is actually a tiny mine. A water anchor coupled to the mine prevents the mine from drifting and the mine swings in a short area. Especially around critical bases and infrastructures, a large number of THORNs are dropped to prevent kamikazes or other purposeful UAVs from entering the area. This is an important countermeasure, for example, to prevent a fleet from being caught off guard while resting. This system, which is quite cheap, can be dropped in hundreds both at sea and on the shore in a few hours and in the event of a mission cancellation, all mines can be neutralized with a single click.

It is a very impressive solution, it shows an out of the box approach against current threats. For more information, I definitely recommend watching the @navalnewscom video I shared below.”

Principle operational process of THORN
*image courtesy of Mr. Tayfun Özberk @TayfunOzberk

Principle operational process of SARPAN
*image courtesy of Mr. Tayfun Özberk @TayfunOzberk

 

[boredaf]

It seems that a smaller Turkish company has displayed some smart and cost effective solutions towards increasing threat of swarms of kamikaze USVs and rouge sea mines.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937819165991022646

Mr. Özberk who was at Indo Defence tells the system(s) in detail.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1937843836744614038

“Perhaps the most interesting but not very noticeable product of the Indo Defence fair was SARPAN and THORN, developed by a Turkish company, Aeromac Electronics, to counter drifting mines and kamikaze drone attacks.

SARPAN is dropped on top of the mine by rotary wing drones to neutralize the detected drifting mines. The SARPAN that sticks to the mine is fired remotely to destroy the mine. Thanks to this product, there is no need for EODs or MCM ships to approach the mine, reducing the risk.

THORN is actually a tiny mine. A water anchor coupled to the mine prevents the mine from drifting and the mine swings in a short area. Especially around critical bases and infrastructures, a large number of THORNs are dropped to prevent kamikazes or other purposeful UAVs from entering the area. This is an important countermeasure, for example, to prevent a fleet from being caught off guard while resting. This system, which is quite cheap, can be dropped in hundreds both at sea and on the shore in a few hours and in the event of a mission cancellation, all mines can be neutralized with a single click.

It is a very impressive solution, it shows an out of the box approach against current threats. For more information, I definitely recommend watching the @navalnewscom video I shared below.”

Principle operational process of THORN
*image courtesy of Mr. Tayfun Özberk @TayfunOzberk
View attachment 76087

Principle operational process of SARPAN
*image courtesy of Mr. Tayfun Özberk @TayfunOzberk
View attachment 76088

Similar concept can also be applied to USVs with canister launcher drones that could possibly have even longer range to hunt moving targets even further out from the ship.

Also, I wonder if the idea of adding drone launcher to TF2000 is still being considered. Whether in this concept or not, it could have a really interesting impact on survivability of ships.

 

[Sanchez]

76mm, 35mm and 25mm tests of İstanbul to surface and air targets, as well as decoy launches

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1941406703087460760