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Looking back at an old post, I think i am wrong here. I am not certain, but I think the KSS-III-batch-1 has lead acid batteries, and not lithium. However I believe Singapore have operational at least one, and possibly two type TKMS Type-218SG (which I believe are an improved Type-214) which...

Another thought on this, in regards to potential work load on TKMS. They have also proposed a modified Type-214 to India, and have an active build of a Type-218SG with Singapore. While the teams aren't strictly identical, the three major submarine programs—India's ToT (Type 214), Singapore's...

Turkey and Qatar have signed several military cooperation and implementation agreements since 2007, which cover training, joint exercises, intelligence sharing, and the deployment of troops, but they do not publicly in any agreement promise to come to eithers aid if attacked. If there is such...

One last look at this, although for Canada this is likely a bit of a moot point in terms of which submarine will be selected - as I believe this is now done more to Industrial benefits rather than schedule. Greece (and Canada) are not the only NATO countrys considering both the KSS-III...

Canada is not the only NATO country to have South Korea propose the KSS-III-batch-II submarine. I recently read in Army Recognition (14-Aug-2025 article) that South Korea's Hanwha Ocean has proposed the KSS-III-batch-II submarines to Greece with cruise and ballistic strike capabilities . This...

Replying to my own post, on the topic of my view that the Canadian Navy would be well served to participate in some manner in the USA C2BMC (with such functionality/equipment added to the River Class), earlier today I stumbled across this older Canadian Forces College paper, which I believe is a...

I have been pondering as to what will be the manning requirement for these submarines. This is important, as from what I have read, even today the Canadian Navy is struggling to recruit the number of sailors needed. The Navy seems to have lost its glamour of days of yore, and given on a...

For my own curiousity, I was comparing the potential upfront "domestic" costs of the German TKMS Type-212CD to the South Korean KSS-III-batch-II submarine (based on available public information), in the context of a Canadian Submarine procurement. I read (where I have re-worded): (1a) for...

Here is a link to what I though a decent article, although I believe all the points in the article have already been covered in this defencehub thread: https://www.michaeljlalonde.com/2025/09/15/which-submarine-should-canada-buy/ Having typed that, I believe at this time, the technical pros...

There is a recent article in the Ottawa Citizen reference the choice between either the KSS-III-batch-2 or the Type-212CD Based on that article, it reads like this may no longer be in the Canadian Navy's hands to choose, but rather it is based on other factors. From that article:

@Nilgiri - yes agreed, but don't forget KSS-III batch-1 [Edit: batch-1 have lead-acid] and batch-2 will have lithium batteries and not the lead-acid of Type-214. Assuming risks associated with lithium batteries are well managed, this is a significant advance in submarine endurance. Also, the...

@DAVEBLOGGINS. I have some thoughts (my own opinion) on this, where in summary the reason for the current short list is to reduce development cost/risk and to have a superior delivery schedule. TKMS: I don't think the Type-212CD E nor the Type-216 were ever proposed to Canada (in addition...

Pondering the South Korean decision to build the KSS-III submarine of their own design Thinking in general about the South Korean vs TKMS (German/Norwegian) proposal, I note the KSS-II class submarine of Korea was a German Type-214 class submarine, built in South Korea. Now that I have been...

North Shore news has an article entitled " South Korean shipyard sweetens its submarine sales pitch to Canada " (dated 11-Sep-2025). In that article I found this of interest: Cynic that I am, I would be surprised if a decision is announced by the end of 2025, as I believe history shows these...

I was curious and using unclassified press, compared some (not all) aspect of the German TKMS Type-212 CD and the South Korean Hanwha Ocean KSS-III batch-II. This was my own thoughts, and I have not covered all aspects - for there are more technical, support and political aspects here. Lineage...

i note a new article dated 4-September-2025 that TKMS signed memorandum of understanding with an Indian defence company for provision of the TKMS Type-214 class submarine. From what i speculate, Canada wisely shortlisted the Type-212CD (instead of Type-214) as the Type-212CD is more suited to...

Speculation on Sonar for the Canadian Submarine Procurement Program For this post, given the German TKMS Type-212 CD and also the Korean KS-III batch 2 are now on Canada's short list, this is the research (and in cases my speculation) that I found in regards to the Sonar systems for these...

It has recently been announced that Norway has decided to procure new Type-26 frigates from the UK. The news is a bit thin on details, but i suspect the Norwegian variant will be very very similar to the UK Type-26 implementation. ... Still, my hope is that having three NATO countries with the...

For this post, given the Type-212 CD and also the KS-III batch 2 are now on Canada's short list, this is the research (speculation ? ) I found in regards to the Electronic warfare systems for these submarines, where presumably Canada may, or may not, go for identical EW systems. TKMS Type-212...

Now - in regards to the IDAS (Interactive Defense and Attack System). I did find the references to the IDAS (Interactive Defense and Attack System) missile of interest, which was a program going back decades, placed on hold in 2014, and development and testing then restarted in 2024. It...