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"less than males". Well, that's pretty sexist and misogynistic. Wonder how Pak Army and Bhutto felt as they groveled in front of what they saw as "less than male" Indira Gandhi. Must have been a sight for sore eyes. I don't wish to derail this topic either. But a sexist comment deserves to be...

But when has India ever sought to "resolve the issue by use of arms"? Why would India want to be seen as an aggressor when it is the status quo power?

They are neither Indian, nor Pakistani - thus by large eliminating biases. Of course some might be biased like Dr. Fair but outliers in scholarly circles can't take away from the mainstream conclusion.

Source 6 Reiter, Erich; Hazdra, Peter (2013). The Impact of Asian Powers on Global Developments. Springer. p. 9. ISBN 978-3-662-13172-5. Diethelm Weidemann in his analysis of the recent Kargil conflict between India and Pakistan. As one of the reasons for Pakistan's defeat, Weidemann...

Thanks. Putting a video of one seemingly biased scholar Ms. Fair doesn't negate the works of others. Again, if you have a counter narrative from any scholarly source, feel free to post it.

@Kaptaan and other members who wish to read neutral accounts and not let this thread be derailed into an Indo-Pak slugfest. I've started this thread and posted 5 neutral accounts with page numbers. Those having a counter narrative from neutral sources, feel free to do so. Thus this thread can...

Source 5 Dettman, Paul R. (2001). India Changes Course: Golden Jubilee to Millennium. Greenwood Publishing Group. pp. 130, 131, 140, 177. ISBN 978-0-275-97308-7. p. 130: the BJP could go to the people as the party that had undergirded India's victory over Pakistan in the Kargil 'war'. p. 131...

Source 4 Murphy, Eamon (2013). The Making of Terrorism in Pakistan: Historical and Social Roots of Extremism. Routledge. p. 128. ISBN 978-0-415-56526-4. Pakistan had been humiliated. The military defeat was compounded by the diplomatic isolation of Pakistan, which was now viewed internationally...

Source 3 Perkovich, George (2002). India's Nuclear Bomb: The Impact on Global Proliferation. University of California Press. p. 479. ISBN 978-0-520-23210-5. The Kargil war ended as had previous wars, with an Indian victory.

Source 2 Carranza, Mario Esteban (2013). South Asian Security and International Nuclear Order: Creating a Robust Indo-Pakistani Nuclear Arms Control Regime. Routledge. p. 82. ISBN 978-1-317-05226-5. India was not deterred from launching a successful counteroffensive on its side of the LOC by...

I'll start with some neutral accounts of the most recent war between India and Pakistan - the war in Kargil in 1999. To help people interested in history - I've not only given the name of the book, but also the page number. Others feel free to add sources or counter narratives Source 1...

Thanks for your thoughts. In the real world, scholars disagree through undisputed facts which contrary to your amusing and naive narrative but I can see why reality bites someone from Pakistan. I do not wish to comment on your fetishes with posteriors, naked or not. To each his own.

If you wish to defend the abysmal record of Pakistan Army, so be it. This thread is not about 1971 - I don't know why Pakistanis always bring it up - must be a matter of great shame. I am happy to debate the Indo - Pak wars on the appropriate forums to discuss multiple Indian victories and...

The use of such language is unnecessary even if I agree with the broader point here.

Not really. The Germans did win the Franco German War of 1871. The Americans have won a bunch of Wars. Pakistan's track record is quite unique in that respect.

Come on. It's highly unlikely. Given the Pak Army track record of losing every war it has ever fought, why would anyone - even the Taliban - want them to fight by their side?

Of course, open such a thread. If it's your personal hobby there is already a hobby thread where you can post about anything and everything you drink - whether it comes out of a cow or a camel.

This is an international forum. If you don't like the views expressed by someone, counter them instead of resorting to racial slurs. And there is an India sub forum for you to talk about Kashmir. This is an Afghan thread currently dealing with the brutal Taliban regime filled with UN designated...

Don't worry. It's not as if any Grandmaster is going to come out of the Af Pak region.

Calm down. Lest we forget, the Americans and their NATO allies were using Pakistani bases to bomb the daylights out of Afghanistan and you were a willing participant. Even your soldiers were involved. So when the "invaders" installed a puppet regime, you were as involved in installing that...