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I know bro, I still have the journal "ulusal strateji" from 1999 in which the navy was advocating for an aircraft carrier. But tell that to some who cannot differentiate between state policy and political party policy. All these political arguments kill the discussions and make it stray from...

Let's brainstorm Nothing wrong, but what is the advantage to do so? First of all Hurkus is not stealth, so what is the advantage to turn it into a drone while we have Kizilelma and ANKA-3? I do not think the price is $15mln but suppose it is, what about the extra costs to turn it into a drone...

Why do you guys always make it a "political" thing. National defense industry is what our state needs, independent of what political party ever.

Best defense is offense! If you do not have the means to strike your defenses are incomplete. I support the aircraft carrier, we need to be able to have a foothold in Africa.

Turkiye should in my honest opinion not go for Eurofighter. Let's face it everything that European consortiums have build are crap. NH90 is crap, Tiger helicopter was crap (Australia dumped both and reverts back to American quality), the British retire their Eurofighter's at half life. We are...

I-class has AESA and also the modernized Meko But what has it to do with AESA for aircraft, can't we do it in parallel? We can't and we should not wait.

Well every time we get this engine argument, which is not so valid IMHO. 5th gen general characteristics are: - stealth - internal bays - sensor fusion - AESA radar So by characteristics Kaan is a 5th generation fighter jet. The Korean jet is stealth but has no internal bays, which classifies...

What are the criteria of 5th generation? It has all the criteria to qualify it as 5th gen.

The avarage American doesn't even know where Turkiye is, and suddenly that (for them) non existing or small insignificant country comes up with a 5th generation fighter jet they are tended to believe it is some crap like the Iranian Qaher-313 mockup

The problem is that the US does or did not take the TFx much serious, but now it strikes them as serious they may reject the sale of the F110 engine. That would be a great setback of multiple years until our own engine is operative (if ever)

I have no hope on end of terror when we keep trying to fill a bucket without a bottom

Nice question I like to reply on. First answer is why not? The Murad radar is not a main system but a subsystem. If there is a need for it and or customers of the Akinci would like to have it, than Akinci is truly unique in the market to carry an AESA radar. Many countries who cannot afford jet...

I was not talking about placing a MIDLAS but 4 standing tubes like we have seen on some concepts with Milgem. This would give FACs like MPAC a good MRAD airdefense

I like the MPAC, the only missin IMO is 4 standing VLS tubes between the front section and ASM launchers. Start with 4 Sapan missiles and when quad pack becomes available upgrade it to 16 missiles MRAD. Yeme de yanina yat!

First clean out the terrorists in the meclis, else I simply cannot believe our fight on terror has any seriousness in it.

Why nuke mountains while the terrorists are in our meclis, it's like filling a bucket without a bottom

Talk is easy, the terrorist usually come when there is fog or rain that makes visibility and detectability very bad and thanks to our "ally" they have the latest ATGM's or manage some lucky hit with mortar. Best defense is attack, continuous hunt of those animals. And let us be honest about our...

Kaan will be levels over F22, yes F22 was top notch but do not forget it is 30 year old tech. Even the best of the best is losing value and technological advantage over time. Even me I am not in my prime years anymore!!! :cool:

According to whom? Did the air force specify such numbers? When was the last fighter jet downed in a dogfight? Turkiye shot 1 Russian, 2 Syrian jets (none of them in a dogfight). We should realize that warfare has changed, we go to 5th generation and in 5th generation 2 things are very...

@IC3M@N FX Hürjet as trainer is not outdated at all, on the contrary look what is developed in the US (Boeing - Saab T7 Red Hawk) as future trainer that is going to be used from 2024 on. Sure who would not be dreaming about being technologically ahead of the US but let us a little bit...